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In Reply to: Re: Sorry, that's wrong. That's PART of what training is for. posted by Jitter_by_Coffee on November 13, 2002 at 20:49:18:

Not sure which you think I was talking about.
I'll say it again. ALL of the reliable evidence I've seen suggests very very strongly that when a listener has learned to hear a difference, they can do so in a short test.
Learning HOW to hear that difference, however, is a learning process. There is no replacement for that process, and it is not fast or simple.
JJ - Philalethist and Annoyer of Bullies

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Re: LISTENER TRAINING is what I'm talking about. - Jitter_by_Coffee 09:20:05 11/14/02 (6)
Well, a couple lines up you were talking about learning how to use the equipment. Is there an assumption that the listener is also the facillitator??
- Doggonit, I hate computers sometimes..... - Jitter_by_Coffee 09:24:17 11/14/02 (5)
  For whatever reason, a later post where you corrected yourself didn't properly come up on refresh until after my last posting. Sorry about that chief.
  ....lemme go kick the server or something.
  - Err, to be clear... - jj 17:56:59 11/14/02 (4)
    Part of the listener's learning should be for when the LISTENER switches between stimulii at the LISTENER's will.
    Switching should be solely under the LISTENER's control, not under the experimenters. All the experimenter should do is observe, quietly, and help if the subject (that's the listener) is having trouble with the equipment.
    The TEST CONDITIONS should be arranged from outside so that the experimenter and the listener are both ignorant of the exact test conditions, that's what DBT means, of course, so the experimenter should not be setting up the test conditions in the listener's presence.
    JJ - Philalethist and Annoyer of Bullies
    - Re: Err, to be clear... - Jitter_by_Coffee 09:26:35 11/15/02 (3)
      "Part of the listener's learning should be for when the LISTENER switches between stimulii at the LISTENER's will.
      Switching should be solely under the LISTENER's control, not under the experimenters. All the experimenter should do is observe, quietly, and help if the subject (that's the listener) is having trouble with the equipment."
      
      Well, that works for a single listiner test, but when you have 10 at a time.....
      - Err. No. If we're talking about the most sensitive tests... - jj 18:16:07 11/15/02 (2)
        
        In Reply to: Re: Err, to be clear... posted by Jitter_by_Coffee on November 15, 2002 at 09:26:35:
        
        One subject at a time.
        In general, ever running more than one subject at a time is a very bad thing. It can lead to all sorts of problems, related to the listener's reactions as well as interfering in the listening process.
        JJ - Philalethist and Annoyer of Bullies
        
        Re: Err. No. If we're talking about the most sensitive tests... - Jitter_by_Coffee 07:03:03 11/18/02 (1)
        
        In Reply to: Err. No. If we're talking about the most sensitive tests... posted by jj on November 15, 2002 at 18:16:07:
        
        That won't work too well when there are 50 to 150 people to run through the test......done bunches, never been a problem.
        
        Really? What's your controls and their result? - jj 09:36:38 11/18/02 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Re: Err. No. If we're talking about the most sensitive tests... posted by Jitter_by_Coffee on November 18, 2002 at 07:03:03:
        
        Your experience very strongly contradicts mine.
        JJ - Philalethist and Annoyer of Bullies

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