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Topic - Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - Charles Hansen 09:44:35 09/11/07 (330)

RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - EBradMeyer 08:13:29 09/20/07 (23)

RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - High-end Dreamer 07:29:42 10/02/07 (1)

P.S. - High-end Dreamer 07:31:03 10/02/07 (0)

That clears up a lot! - bjh 14:26:43 09/21/07 (14)

RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 20:37:38 09/21/07 (13)

RE: That clears up a lot! - morricab 01:51:48 09/24/07 (1)

RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 13:31:28 09/24/07 (0)

RE: That clears up a lot! - bjh 22:08:32 09/21/07 (10)

RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 05:08:50 09/22/07 (9)

RE: That clears up a lot! - morricab 02:10:30 09/24/07 (0)

I wrote that quote, so I feel like responding... - Axon 19:56:13 09/22/07 (5)

You seem to have missed the crux of the objections. - clarkjohnsen 11:42:17 09/23/07 (0)

Hmm - Ted Smith 22:29:34 09/22/07 (1)

"Reading the [other] paper was a breath of fresh air." No kidding. - clarkjohnsen 11:54:16 09/23/07 (0)

The scientific standard for validation of results obtained by experimental procedure is Replication. - bjh 22:27:51 09/22/07 (1)

RE: The scientific standard for validation of results obtained by experimental procedure is Replication. - morricab 02:15:22 09/24/07 (0)

Never mind. - tlyyra 14:19:24 09/22/07 (1)

RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 06:06:47 09/23/07 (0)

What a pity. What a ditty. - tlyyra 16:07:29 09/20/07 (5)

RE: What a pity. What a ditty. - EBradMeyer 06:25:34 09/21/07 (4)

RE: What a pity. What a ditty. - tlyyra 08:51:16 09/21/07 (3)

RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 21:02:43 09/21/07 (0)

ROFL - Pat D 12:13:00 09/21/07 (1)

That's the way to go if you have no arguments. - tlyyra 15:00:52 09/22/07 (0)

RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - drmoran@aol.com 10:59:28 09/19/07 (0)

A contrary test result - John Atkinson 01:06:46 09/17/07 (5)

RE: A contrary test result - EBradMeyer 07:32:32 09/20/07 (2)

RE: A contrary test result - truthseekerprime 07:41:19 09/20/07 (1)

RE: A contrary test result - EBradMeyer 08:23:37 09/20/07 (0)

Now, how to get that into the JAES?... nt - clarkjohnsen 10:03:13 09/17/07 (0)

Thanks, John! - kerr 05:06:30 09/17/07 (0)

RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - andy19191 09:25:09 09/15/07 (58)

RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - kerr 12:43:32 09/15/07 (26)

RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - andy19191 14:24:53 09/15/07 (15)

RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - kerr 15:43:05 09/15/07 (14)

RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - andy19191 10:07:55 09/16/07 (13)

RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - kerr 15:40:21 09/16/07 (4)

Sounds like the recording engineers I know :) [nt] - Ted Smith 16:30:40 09/16/07 (1)

Yep! - kerr 17:05:20 09/16/07 (0)

RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - andy19191 15:51:51 09/16/07 (1)

RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - kerr 17:03:30 09/16/07 (0)

"Audiophiles? What sort of recording engineers are these?" - Analog Scott 10:54:18 09/16/07 (7)

Audiophiles have determined that Audiophiles make the best recordings? - AJinFLA 11:27:41 09/16/07 (6)

Yes they have. - Analog Scott 12:50:43 09/16/07 (5)

RE: Yes they have. - AJinFLA 19:01:07 09/16/07 (4)

RE: Yes they have. - Analog Scott 08:44:38 09/17/07 (3)

"didn't know there was such a thing as analog TVs and digital TVs". Oh boy. Never mind (nt) - AJinFLA 18:40:16 09/17/07 (2)

Neither did I, but... - kerr 18:55:16 09/17/07 (1)

RE: Neither did I, but... - AJinFLA 19:09:02 09/17/07 (0)

Right on! - tlyyra 13:34:07 09/15/07 (3)

Thanks - kerr 15:45:09 09/15/07 (2)

RE: Thanks - tlyyra 02:50:47 09/17/07 (1)

RE: Thanks - kerr 05:12:05 09/17/07 (0)

A dangling pronoun doesn't help his case much either. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:53:29 09/15/07 (5)

I heard of a guy who got arrested for a dangling pronoun in the public library - Richard BassNut Greene 13:35:57 09/15/07 (4)

I heard the same story - kerr 15:47:12 09/15/07 (3)

Hey mine was s serious post - Richard BassNut Greene 14:01:14 09/16/07 (1)

RE: Hey mine was s serious post - kerr 09:50:19 09/17/07 (0)

Reminds me of the streaker in the church - Atexanathome 06:23:06 09/16/07 (0)

By all means - E-Stat 11:44:51 09/15/07 (7)

RE: By all means - andy19191 13:54:04 09/15/07 (5)

By all means, work on your train of thought - E-Stat 13:58:03 09/15/07 (4)

RE: By all means, work on your train of thought - andy19191 14:42:07 09/15/07 (3)

Let me help jog your memory - E-Stat 15:31:35 09/15/07 (2)

RE: Let me help jog your memory - andy19191 15:40:28 09/15/07 (1)

Merely asked the question - E-Stat 15:46:09 09/15/07 (0)

You know better than that! Guys like him want it all served up on a warm plate. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:28:06 09/15/07 (0)

RE: "This is how science works and they will welcome and publish contradictory scientific data" - geoffkait 10:47:06 09/15/07 (22)

RE: "This is how science works and they will welcome and publish contradictory scientific data" - andy19191 13:51:58 09/15/07 (13)

RE: "Nobody with a grasp of how sound propagates..." - geoffkait 14:07:51 09/15/07 (12)

RE: "Nobody with a grasp of how sound propagates..." - andy19191 14:35:50 09/15/07 (11)

RE:This is indeed an authority and one that all that have spotted the usefulness of science tend to recognise. - geoffkait 14:58:24 09/15/07 (10)

RE:This is indeed an authority and one that all that have spotted the usefulness of science tend to recognise. - andy19191 15:33:10 09/15/07 (9)

RE: I'm afraid you'll have to judge my knowledge of the laws of sound propagation from the content of my post - geoffkait 15:57:07 09/15/07 (8)

RE: I'm afraid you'll have to judge my knowledge of the laws of sound propagation from the content of my post - andy19191 10:20:00 09/16/07 (7)

Go to the back of the class! - geoffkait 10:59:57 09/16/07 (6)

RE: Go to the back of the class! - andy19191 12:09:17 09/16/07 (5)

RE: Go to the back of the class! - geoffkait 12:37:44 09/16/07 (4)

RE: Go to the back of the class! - andy19191 13:49:06 09/16/07 (3)

RE: Go to the back of the class! - geoffkait 14:07:17 09/16/07 (2)

RE: Go to the back of the class! - andy19191 15:44:36 09/16/07 (1)

RE: "A knowledge of how my peers think. Is that proof?" - geoffkait 16:38:22 09/16/07 (0)

And again we're reminded of Todd Krieger's great phrase, "token peers". nt - clarkjohnsen 12:27:02 09/15/07 (7)

Todd the software guy? (nt) - AJinFLA 11:40:18 09/16/07 (6)

That's Me...... - Todd Krieger 01:09:29 09/17/07 (5)

RE: That's Me...... - AJinFLA 18:55:53 09/17/07 (4)

RE: That's Me...... - Todd Krieger 19:37:57 09/17/07 (3)

RE: That's Me...... - AJinFLA 20:47:42 09/17/07 (2)

RE: That's Me...... - Todd Krieger 00:10:19 09/19/07 (1)

RE: That's Me...... - AJinFLA 09:10:58 09/19/07 (0)

Deaf? The folks who "hear" ghosts aren't deaf - AJinFLA 06:42:32 09/13/07 (17)

RE: "Deaf? The folks who "hear" ghosts aren't deaf - Todd Krieger 15:49:11 09/15/07 (1)

RE: "Deaf? The folks who "hear" ghosts aren't deaf - AJinFLA 09:56:54 09/16/07 (0)

Everything sounds the same - Analog Scott 07:45:58 09/13/07 (9)

RE: Everything sounds the same - AJinFLA 07:54:04 09/13/07 (8)

never fear - Analog Scott 08:26:46 09/13/07 (7)

Fear? - AJinFLA 12:14:16 09/13/07 (3)

RE: Fear? - Analog Scott 13:57:36 09/13/07 (2)

RE: Fear? - AJinFLA 10:18:02 09/16/07 (0)

"Ghosts? I do not hear them. I do not fear them" - bjh 14:04:22 09/13/07 (0)

Ghosts? A Freudian slip? Perhaps - bjh 10:28:23 09/13/07 (2)

No denial, only acceptance - AJinFLA 12:30:13 09/13/07 (1)

BOO!... - bjh 13:55:12 09/13/07 (0)

Caymus has arisen. Welcome back! nt - geoffkait 07:17:39 09/13/07 (4)

RE: Caymus has arisen. Welcome back! nt - AJinFLA 07:31:28 09/13/07 (3)

RE: "I really must re-enroll in school." Hope you pick a different school this time around. :-) nt - geoffkait 07:58:26 09/13/07 (2)

Perhaps you could make me your apprentice? - AJinFLA 08:17:08 09/13/07 (1)

Actually, a slot might be opening up soon... - geoffkait 08:52:59 09/13/07 (0)

RE: Did I, or did I NOT tell you all - Dr. S 10:44:02 09/12/07 (1)

No, you did NOT! - andy_c 18:25:24 09/12/07 (0)

"the same signal passed through a 16-bit/44.1-kHz â€œbottleneck.â€ - Richard BassNut Greene 07:17:37 09/12/07 (14)

This just in... - bjh 11:10:24 09/12/07 (4)

"We fear that Richard has gone off his rocker" - Richard BassNut Greene 07:57:54 09/13/07 (3)

As long as you're updating your resume, - Bruce Kendall 11:34:26 09/13/07 (1)

"notorious throne"? - Richard BassNut Greene 13:39:13 09/15/07 (0)

Is your rocker on your porch or inside? (nt) - AJinFLA 08:24:35 09/13/07 (0)

"Believe your ears" - Feanor 09:57:09 09/12/07 (8)

"The problem is that our ears are connected to our brains." - Analog Scott 08:28:26 09/13/07 (7)

Obviously for some more than others...(nt) - mkuller 15:14:02 09/13/07 (6)

A mind is a terrible thing - Analog Scott 16:19:10 09/13/07 (5)

RE: A mind is a terrible thing - kerr 06:13:21 09/14/07 (4)

"Nothing in the word 'audio' denotes listening." Funny guy! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:23:59 09/14/07 (1)

Clark - kerr 11:29:56 09/14/07 (0)

if the measurments tell you one thing and your percpetions tell you another - Analog Scott 08:15:59 09/14/07 (1)

RE: if the measurments tell you one thing and your percpetions tell you another - kerr 10:47:46 09/14/07 (0)

Perhaps you all might agree with the conclusion more? - Axon 21:49:26 09/11/07 (103)

Since you've evinced intelligent interest in this topic... - clarkjohnsen 08:31:51 09/14/07 (0)

So it's good news that SACD remains niche - Feanor 09:53:01 09/12/07 (1)

I'd say Sony (and others) were hoping - bjh 10:47:13 09/12/07 (0)

"I guess nobody here... has AES membership." LOL! - clarkjohnsen 09:38:16 09/12/07 (89)

TouchÃ©. I'm just a little surprised at... - Axon 22:45:50 09/12/07 (88)

I confess that I'm confused - E-Stat 15:53:34 09/13/07 (74)

No contradiction, but I may have confused you - Axon 21:50:45 09/13/07 (72)

RE: No contradiction, but I may have confused you - Dan Banquer 06:45:22 09/14/07 (2)

RE: No contradiction, but I may have confused you - krabapple 09:36:17 09/20/07 (1)

RE: No contradiction, but I may have confused you - Dan Banquer 09:58:00 09/20/07 (0)

Convenient assumption - E-Stat 06:33:53 09/14/07 (51)

you got me. I need to retake logic 101. Round 3: - Axon 08:14:16 09/14/07 (50)

With any kind of test - E-Stat 08:36:48 09/14/07 (49)

you're really struggling here - truthseekerprime 07:01:48 09/16/07 (48)

"Demonstrated that FOR THE SAME RECORDING reducing the resolution did not have an audible effect." NO! - clarkjohnsen 10:49:26 09/17/07 (34)

RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 21:24:25 09/21/07 (33)

"A CD would have sounded the same." Good to know, but bland assertions are not proof. Besides... - clarkjohnsen 08:42:46 09/22/07 (32)

RE: "Memory Player that produces a sonic result superior to any other" - tlyyra 08:49:21 09/24/07 (0)

RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 07:01:54 09/23/07 (19)

"I give you The Church of the Latter Day Saints." So that's what it's going to be, is it? - clarkjohnsen 08:54:32 09/24/07 (18)

RE: "I give you The Church of the Latter Day Saints." So that's what it's going to be, is it? - EBradMeyer 14:18:08 09/24/07 (1)

"The device we were using is a recording system, which passes a signal *through* it." Oh. - clarkjohnsen 10:13:34 09/25/07 (0)

RE: "I give you The Church of the Latter Day Saints." So that's what it's going to be, is it? - EBradMeyer 13:53:30 09/24/07 (15)

"It's not up to me to prove reviewers can't hear the huge differences." LOL! You made the assertion... - clarkjohnsen 09:59:20 09/25/07 (8)

Still bullshitting? - tlyyra 10:21:25 09/26/07 (2)

I be happy you continue to delude yourself. Couldn't happen to a more appropriate guy. - clarkjohnsen 11:22:48 09/28/07 (1)

Done that - tlyyra 10:05:26 09/29/07 (0)

RE: "It's not up to me, etc." - EBradMeyer 11:28:48 09/25/07 (4)

"They're... way to risky for you." Oh geez, puh-leeze. - clarkjohnsen 09:16:22 09/26/07 (0)

You're correct - it has been demonstrated. Don't bother arguing with him; it's an utter waste of time. /nt - truthseekerprime 20:01:22 09/25/07 (2)

"It has been demonstrated" all right... that it's "a crock". That's if you pay any attention to... - clarkjohnsen 09:24:08 09/26/07 (0)

RE: You're correct etc. - EBradMeyer 07:32:26 09/26/07 (0)

Complettely OT - ABXing absolute polarity - Axon 22:32:57 09/24/07 (5)

RE: Complettely OT - ABXing absolute polarity - EBradMeyer 01:33:16 09/25/07 (4)

You underestimate the thickness of my skull - Axon 05:52:32 09/25/07 (3)

RE: You underestimate the thickness of my skull - EBradMeyer 11:33:53 09/25/07 (2)

No pain, no gain! - Axon 16:54:20 09/26/07 (1)

RE: No pain, no gain! - EBradMeyer 07:40:47 09/27/07 (0)

RE: "A CD would have sounded the same." Good to know, but bland assertions are not proof. Besides... - krabapple 16:24:39 09/22/07 (1)

AA posts as "uncontradicted evidence" - tlyyra 03:30:22 09/23/07 (0)

You're right Clark, but that's not the point. - rick_m 12:34:04 09/22/07 (8)

Thank you. But even "going astray", while that does happen, is not the core of my argument. - clarkjohnsen 11:09:23 09/23/07 (7)

RE: Thank you. But even "going astray", while that does happen, is not the core of my argument. - rick_m 13:09:12 09/23/07 (6)

"They have eliminated [CD playback] as a variable," True; but then they try to tell us... - clarkjohnsen 08:26:14 09/24/07 (5)

Having now read it... - rick_m 09:07:04 09/25/07 (1)

"I wasn't missing much." Indeed not. Yet I got challenged for calling it a quick read! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:02:59 09/25/07 (0)

OK,Ok,ok - rick_m 09:14:13 09/24/07 (2)

This URL may get you to it. - clarkjohnsen 09:33:57 09/24/07 (1)

Excellent, thanks! nt - rick_m 09:46:55 09/24/07 (0)

Struggling for what? - E-Stat 09:11:00 09/16/07 (12)

(See my post above.) nt - clarkjohnsen 10:50:12 09/17/07 (0)

I guess basic reading comprehension - truthseekerprime 13:19:50 09/16/07 (10)

So, professor - E-Stat 17:56:52 09/16/07 (9)

"Our test results indicate that all of these recordings could be released on conventional CDs... - truthseekerprime 20:28:50 09/16/07 (8)

Anecdotally, I think it may be true. - rick_m 10:17:47 09/20/07 (0)

As have I - E-Stat 21:23:00 09/16/07 (6)

RE: As have I - krabapple 09:43:44 09/20/07 (5)

The common term for your explanation - E-Stat 09:56:29 09/20/07 (4)

RE: The common term for your explanation - krabapple 16:19:26 09/22/07 (1)

There is a difference - E-Stat 09:01:51 09/23/07 (0)

A whole lot o' speculatin' goin' on in the paper too. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:05:42 09/22/07 (1)

In stark contrast to your pamphlet that was so convincingly argued that you had to pay for it to get printed? - tlyyra 03:33:55 09/23/07 (0)

Hmmm, that's certainly an illogical conclusion - Ted Smith 22:08:08 09/13/07 (16)

Provably wrong - Axon 08:05:00 09/14/07 (15)

Baloney - Ted Smith 08:45:36 09/14/07 (14)

RE: Baloney - krabapple 09:57:13 09/20/07 (10)

RE: Baloney - Ted Smith 11:17:21 09/20/07 (9)

RE: Baloney - krabapple 16:28:51 09/22/07 (1)

Yep, Why haven't you addressed any of the points in my posts? - Ted Smith 16:36:19 09/22/07 (0)

So... your opinion on the JAES paper is...? nt - clarkjohnsen 09:07:52 09/22/07 (6)

A crock? - Ted Smith 10:47:03 09/22/07 (5)

"It shows an unbelievable degree of unsophistication." Oh I believe it all right! - clarkjohnsen 08:37:07 09/24/07 (0)

So you read the article, then? - tlyyra 14:09:42 09/22/07 (3)

I do believe in good science and enjoy the result of the same (including DSD) - Ted Smith 14:56:04 09/22/07 (2)

Can you believe that guy? "Maybe I read too much into your CV." - clarkjohnsen 10:22:39 09/23/07 (1)

RE: Can you believe that guy? "Maybe I read too much into your CV." - Ted Smith 16:55:34 09/23/07 (0)

I'll admit I don't have enough experience with SACD/DVD-A... - Axon 12:08:52 09/14/07 (2)

RE: I'll admit I don't have enough experience with SACD/DVD-A... - krabapple 10:02:47 09/20/07 (0)

RE: I'll admit I don't have enough experience with SACD/DVD-A... - Ted Smith 13:46:35 09/14/07 (0)

Perhaps a key element of the test wasn't disclosed. - Bruce Kendall 16:00:11 09/13/07 (0)

Right. I'm not concerned about the DBT aspect, rather the really sloppy experimental procedures... - clarkjohnsen 12:07:29 09/13/07 (12)

Yeah, I've read it. - Axon 12:36:04 09/13/07 (11)

Your observations are mostly well-taken. Still I have concerns. - clarkjohnsen 08:22:26 09/14/07 (10)

RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 10:19:54 09/23/07 (0)

RE: "what the equipment was, esp. the speakers" - tlyyra 09:36:57 09/14/07 (8)

Are you involved in some sort of contest or something? - Bruce Kendall 12:10:19 09/14/07 (3)

He's a bitter man, a bully, and an unworthy opponent -- misrepresentation is his only game. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:22:32 09/15/07 (1)

Speaking of bitterness - tlyyra 12:23:57 09/15/07 (0)

??? - tlyyra 04:23:52 09/15/07 (0)

Frankly, My dear... - bjh 10:55:46 09/14/07 (3)

RE: Frankly, My dear... - tlyyra 11:56:44 09/14/07 (2)

Toots a simple, "No, I don't want to comment" would have been entirely sufficient. - bjh 12:36:05 09/14/07 (1)

Sorry if it was too complicated - tlyyra 04:48:17 09/15/07 (0)

RE: Perhaps you all might agree with the conclusion more? - Dan Banquer 05:45:16 09/12/07 (0)

RE: Perhaps you all might agree with the conclusion more? - Todd Krieger 01:06:08 09/12/07 (7)

"a study was seemingly brought up out of thin air with a desired outcome" - andy_c 20:16:25 09/12/07 (0)

"The... sacred belief that because it's an AES article, it's automatically truth and ought not be challenged." - clarkjohnsen 09:35:51 09/12/07 (5)

From the book of Positive Feedback, chapter 8, verse 5. And the Lord CJ cast the devil from the redbook cd - AJinFLA 13:41:59 09/13/07 (0)

These Were Never True Peer Reviews to Begin With....... - Todd Krieger 11:07:02 09/12/07 (3)

Excellent post - Analog Scott 08:32:28 09/13/07 (0)

"Token peers," Omigosh, that sez it all! - clarkjohnsen 11:11:18 09/12/07 (1)

That's not sour grapes talking, is it? - tlyyra 09:54:11 09/14/07 (0)

RE: Perhaps you all might agree with the conclusion more? - theaudiohobby 00:47:32 09/12/07 (0)

RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - Old nuff 2 no better 21:30:54 09/11/07 (0)

Wait til they announce........mp3 is the new hi-rez - Joe M 18:20:47 09/11/07 (0)

RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - middleground 17:06:44 09/11/07 (0)

The BAS should be shortened to BS. - LiquidMidrange 16:51:51 09/11/07 (0)

Compare the ear to the eye - Jayme 15:12:48 09/11/07 (1)

RE: Compare the ear to the eye - middleground 05:49:43 09/12/07 (0)

RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - John Atkinson 14:25:47 09/11/07 (20)

RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - EBradMeyer 01:46:48 09/24/07 (0)

RE: I checked out the BAS site - theaudiohobby 12:00:39 09/13/07 (0)

Good catch! Back in the Seventies (or so) he and his pals were saying that... - clarkjohnsen 09:30:17 09/12/07 (1)

RE: "sound like mastertapes? No way!" - tlyyra 10:03:22 09/12/07 (0)

Wha? The player was Pioneer? That wasn't in the paper. - Axon 21:35:38 09/11/07 (15)

RE: Wha? The player was Pioneer? That wasn't in the paper. - theaudiohobby 12:04:15 09/13/07 (0)

You have to keep up. - Bruce Kendall 15:52:40 09/12/07 (1)

Yeah, didn't catch that post. thanks. -nt - Axon 22:36:30 09/12/07 (0)

RE: Wha? The player was Pioneer? That wasn't in the paper. - John Atkinson 03:54:24 09/12/07 (11)

RE: Wha? The player was Pioneer? That wasn't in the paper. - EBradMeyer 01:00:38 09/24/07 (0)

Where can I find the real world dynamic range measurements on the 563A? -nt - Axon 12:05:15 09/13/07 (0)

So you haven't even read it... - tlyyra 04:44:59 09/12/07 (8)

RE: So you haven't even read it... - John Atkinson 12:04:29 09/12/07 (7)

RE: So you haven't even read it... - tlyyra 12:58:55 09/12/07 (6)

Speaking of prejudicing its value... - E-Stat 11:20:35 09/13/07 (5)

RE: Speaking of prejudicing its value... - theaudiohobby 00:40:50 09/14/07 (1)

Perhaps you're right - E-Stat 06:39:36 09/14/07 (0)

Uh... because he didn't know any better?... nt - clarkjohnsen 12:08:54 09/13/07 (2)

So... - E-Stat 12:38:46 09/13/07 (1)

given the history - Analog Scott 19:08:55 09/13/07 (0)

A reasoned and effectual reply from a buddy of mine... - clarkjohnsen 14:16:51 09/11/07 (6)

And now I have permission to reveal his identity. - clarkjohnsen 09:54:19 09/12/07 (0)

Kuhn and "triple blind" - tlyyra 04:09:08 09/12/07 (2)

While one normally (and wisely) chooses not to respond to troubled adolescents... - clarkjohnsen 09:20:35 09/12/07 (1)

DOTARD ALERT! - tlyyra 10:15:56 09/12/07 (0)

RE: you make the classic mis-assumption... - mls-stl 17:34:33 09/11/07 (1)

My objections were not to the DBT element as such, please note. - clarkjohnsen 08:58:56 09/12/07 (0)

RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - suretyguy 12:38:32 09/11/07 (9)

RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - Todd Krieger 12:58:03 09/11/07 (8)

RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - suretyguy 14:55:24 09/11/07 (7)

"Dead End Alley"?..... I Like It!!!!! - Todd Krieger 18:45:37 09/11/07 (0)

There's already such a place, Isolation Ward. Some - bjh 17:18:50 09/11/07 (5)

RE: There's already such a place, Isolation Ward. Some - Todd Krieger 18:55:33 09/11/07 (4)

"Prop Head is for scientific matters like why ..." You were saying...? LOL nt - bjh 14:28:57 09/12/07 (0)

RE: There's already such a place, Isolation Ward. Some - geoffkait 13:04:35 09/12/07 (0)

RE: How about ATA - Dr. S 11:47:20 09/12/07 (0)

"...won't have to worry about flame wars ruining their enjoyment of the normal forums." Yes, and... - clarkjohnsen 09:56:23 09/12/07 (0)

I Guess I Must Be Deaf...... - Todd Krieger 12:38:08 09/11/07 (7)

Thanks... - bjh 13:38:45 09/11/07 (6)

RE: Thanks... - Todd Krieger 18:43:33 09/11/07 (2)

RE: Thanks... - bjh 19:15:23 09/11/07 (1)

RE: Thanks... - Todd Krieger 19:57:50 09/11/07 (0)

Item B in your post - you're kidding, right? - carcass93 14:55:40 09/11/07 (2)

RE: Item B in your post - you're kidding, right? - Todd Krieger 20:12:04 09/11/07 (1)

Before you chaps - bjh 20:44:08 09/11/07 (0)

RE: Boston Audio Society Strikes Again! - Dr. S 12:18:52 09/11/07 (7)

The usual DBT crowd hasn't arrived yet. - Bruce Kendall 12:53:26 09/11/07 (6)

No, we just left the party before you showed up. - Axon 21:29:38 09/11/07 (0)

RE: I admit a lot of our discussions go nowhere - Dr. S 13:30:47 09/11/07 (4)

I don't think this one is so much about DBTs, as about poorly conceived experiments. nt - clarkjohnsen 13:58:55 09/11/07 (3)

You should know. - tlyyra 03:17:37 09/12/07 (2)

RE: You should know. - bjh 07:24:12 09/12/07 (0)

RE: You should know. - theaudiohobby 05:13:39 09/12/07 (0)

A test that I did. - jsm 12:00:10 09/11/07 (7)

RE: A test that I did. - Dr. S 13:31:52 09/11/07 (2)

I couldn't agree more. - jsm 16:45:24 09/11/07 (1)

RE: It's an important part of the hobby for me .... - Dr. S 16:52:51 09/11/07 (0)

RE: A test that I did. - Todd Krieger 12:45:44 09/11/07 (3)

I was asking a much simpler question. - jsm 16:36:57 09/11/07 (2)

RE: I was asking a much simpler question. - Todd Krieger 19:50:42 09/11/07 (1)

No, no, no! - jsm 12:01:35 09/12/07 (0)

"...and one high-end system." Oh bully for them! But the gaps in their reasoniing are blatant. - clarkjohnsen 10:52:58 09/11/07 (10)

I think they just wanted to find out if a 16/44.1 A/D/A conversion was easily detected - Slider 11:22:24 09/11/07 (3)

Pioneer 563A DVD-A/SACD universal player --) approx. $250.00 - bjh 11:29:07 09/11/07 (2)

interest to the audiophile community? - Slider 12:26:11 09/11/07 (1)

"I'd confidently take the test if I had a chance to get to know the system a bit." --- *I wouldn't!* - bjh 12:51:39 09/11/07 (0)

RE: "...and one high-end system." Oh bully for them! But the gaps in their reasoniing are blatant. - bjh 11:13:53 09/11/07 (3)

Careful - unclestu52 11:57:30 09/11/07 (2)

I imagine - bjh 12:07:24 09/11/07 (1)

Nahh - unclestu52 18:44:43 09/11/07 (0)

Nine out of ten worst hi-fis are found in recording studios. - kavakidd 10:54:54 09/11/07 (1)

Agreed, although it's different with musicians. - clarkjohnsen 11:01:16 09/11/07 (0)

RE: They did well... - theaudiohobby 10:09:37 09/11/07 (21)

RE: They did well... - john curl 19:05:32 09/11/07 (17)

RE: They did well... - Brian Walsh 23:01:20 09/11/07 (13)

Wrong. - carcass93 10:44:41 09/12/07 (12)

RE: Wrong. - john curl 12:58:26 09/12/07 (11)

Wrong again. - tlyyra 13:11:16 09/12/07 (10)

RE: Wrong again. - john curl 13:24:35 09/12/07 (9)

RE: Why CH responded in such a way? - tlyyra 13:41:59 09/12/07 (8)

RE: Why CH responded in such a way? - Rufipennis 19:18:32 09/12/07 (7)

RE: Why CH responded in such a way? - tlyyra 03:58:25 09/13/07 (6)

RE: Why CH responded in such a way? - Rufipennis 07:24:06 09/13/07 (5)

He's a bitter man. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:12:34 09/13/07 (1)

Make up your mind. - tlyyra 10:18:46 09/14/07 (0)

RE: Why CH responded in such a way? - tlyyra 07:45:06 09/13/07 (2)

RE: Why CH responded in such a way? - Rufipennis 20:20:55 09/13/07 (1)

RE: "Luxury aches" - tlyyra 09:22:58 09/14/07 (0)

RE: They did well... - Charles Hansen 19:54:02 09/11/07 (2)

RE: They did well... - john curl 20:14:58 09/11/07 (1)

RE: They did well... - Charles Hansen 20:40:43 09/11/07 (0)

Glad to see I'm not the only one appaled at JC's "contributions" here. - carcass93 14:40:28 09/11/07 (0)

Double blind, blah, blah, blah..... - Ozzy 10:22:34 09/11/07 (1)

RE: Double blind, blah, blah, blah..... - krabapple 16:58:52 09/22/07 (0)

Follow Ups

Perhaps you all might agree with the conclusion more? - Axon 21:49:26 09/11/07 (103)

Since you've evinced intelligent interest in this topic... - clarkjohnsen 08:31:51 09/14/07 (0)

So it's good news that SACD remains niche - Feanor 09:53:01 09/12/07 (1)

I'd say Sony (and others) were hoping - bjh 10:47:13 09/12/07 (0)

"I guess nobody here... has AES membership." LOL! - clarkjohnsen 09:38:16 09/12/07 (89)

TouchÃ©. I'm just a little surprised at... - Axon 22:45:50 09/12/07 (88)

I confess that I'm confused - E-Stat 15:53:34 09/13/07 (74)

No contradiction, but I may have confused you - Axon 21:50:45 09/13/07 (72)

RE: No contradiction, but I may have confused you - Dan Banquer 06:45:22 09/14/07 (2)

RE: No contradiction, but I may have confused you - krabapple 09:36:17 09/20/07 (1)

RE: No contradiction, but I may have confused you - Dan Banquer 09:58:00 09/20/07 (0)

Convenient assumption - E-Stat 06:33:53 09/14/07 (51)

you got me. I need to retake logic 101. Round 3: - Axon 08:14:16 09/14/07 (50)

With any kind of test - E-Stat 08:36:48 09/14/07 (49)

you're really struggling here - truthseekerprime 07:01:48 09/16/07 (48)

"Demonstrated that FOR THE SAME RECORDING reducing the resolution did not have an audible effect." NO! - clarkjohnsen 10:49:26 09/17/07 (34)

RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 21:24:25 09/21/07 (33)

"A CD would have sounded the same." Good to know, but bland assertions are not proof. Besides... - clarkjohnsen 08:42:46 09/22/07 (32)

RE: "Memory Player that produces a sonic result superior to any other" - tlyyra 08:49:21 09/24/07 (0)

RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 07:01:54 09/23/07 (19)

"I give you The Church of the Latter Day Saints." So that's what it's going to be, is it? - clarkjohnsen 08:54:32 09/24/07 (18)

RE: "I give you The Church of the Latter Day Saints." So that's what it's going to be, is it? - EBradMeyer 14:18:08 09/24/07 (1)

"The device we were using is a recording system, which passes a signal *through* it." Oh. - clarkjohnsen 10:13:34 09/25/07 (0)

RE: "I give you The Church of the Latter Day Saints." So that's what it's going to be, is it? - EBradMeyer 13:53:30 09/24/07 (15)

"It's not up to me to prove reviewers can't hear the huge differences." LOL! You made the assertion... - clarkjohnsen 09:59:20 09/25/07 (8)

Still bullshitting? - tlyyra 10:21:25 09/26/07 (2)

I be happy you continue to delude yourself. Couldn't happen to a more appropriate guy. - clarkjohnsen 11:22:48 09/28/07 (1)

Done that - tlyyra 10:05:26 09/29/07 (0)

RE: "It's not up to me, etc." - EBradMeyer 11:28:48 09/25/07 (4)

"They're... way to risky for you." Oh geez, puh-leeze. - clarkjohnsen 09:16:22 09/26/07 (0)

You're correct - it has been demonstrated. Don't bother arguing with him; it's an utter waste of time. /nt - truthseekerprime 20:01:22 09/25/07 (2)

"It has been demonstrated" all right... that it's "a crock". That's if you pay any attention to... - clarkjohnsen 09:24:08 09/26/07 (0)

RE: You're correct etc. - EBradMeyer 07:32:26 09/26/07 (0)

Complettely OT - ABXing absolute polarity - Axon 22:32:57 09/24/07 (5)

RE: Complettely OT - ABXing absolute polarity - EBradMeyer 01:33:16 09/25/07 (4)

You underestimate the thickness of my skull - Axon 05:52:32 09/25/07 (3)

RE: You underestimate the thickness of my skull - EBradMeyer 11:33:53 09/25/07 (2)

No pain, no gain! - Axon 16:54:20 09/26/07 (1)

RE: No pain, no gain! - EBradMeyer 07:40:47 09/27/07 (0)

RE: "A CD would have sounded the same." Good to know, but bland assertions are not proof. Besides... - krabapple 16:24:39 09/22/07 (1)

AA posts as "uncontradicted evidence" - tlyyra 03:30:22 09/23/07 (0)

You're right Clark, but that's not the point. - rick_m 12:34:04 09/22/07 (8)

Thank you. But even "going astray", while that does happen, is not the core of my argument. - clarkjohnsen 11:09:23 09/23/07 (7)

RE: Thank you. But even "going astray", while that does happen, is not the core of my argument. - rick_m 13:09:12 09/23/07 (6)

"They have eliminated [CD playback] as a variable," True; but then they try to tell us... - clarkjohnsen 08:26:14 09/24/07 (5)

Having now read it... - rick_m 09:07:04 09/25/07 (1)

"I wasn't missing much." Indeed not. Yet I got challenged for calling it a quick read! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:02:59 09/25/07 (0)

OK,Ok,ok - rick_m 09:14:13 09/24/07 (2)

This URL may get you to it. - clarkjohnsen 09:33:57 09/24/07 (1)

Excellent, thanks! nt - rick_m 09:46:55 09/24/07 (0)

Struggling for what? - E-Stat 09:11:00 09/16/07 (12)

(See my post above.) nt - clarkjohnsen 10:50:12 09/17/07 (0)

I guess basic reading comprehension - truthseekerprime 13:19:50 09/16/07 (10)

So, professor - E-Stat 17:56:52 09/16/07 (9)

"Our test results indicate that all of these recordings could be released on conventional CDs... - truthseekerprime 20:28:50 09/16/07 (8)

Anecdotally, I think it may be true. - rick_m 10:17:47 09/20/07 (0)

As have I - E-Stat 21:23:00 09/16/07 (6)

RE: As have I - krabapple 09:43:44 09/20/07 (5)

The common term for your explanation - E-Stat 09:56:29 09/20/07 (4)

RE: The common term for your explanation - krabapple 16:19:26 09/22/07 (1)

There is a difference - E-Stat 09:01:51 09/23/07 (0)

A whole lot o' speculatin' goin' on in the paper too. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:05:42 09/22/07 (1)

In stark contrast to your pamphlet that was so convincingly argued that you had to pay for it to get printed? - tlyyra 03:33:55 09/23/07 (0)

Hmmm, that's certainly an illogical conclusion - Ted Smith 22:08:08 09/13/07 (16)

Provably wrong - Axon 08:05:00 09/14/07 (15)

Baloney - Ted Smith 08:45:36 09/14/07 (14)

RE: Baloney - krabapple 09:57:13 09/20/07 (10)

RE: Baloney - Ted Smith 11:17:21 09/20/07 (9)

RE: Baloney - krabapple 16:28:51 09/22/07 (1)

Yep, Why haven't you addressed any of the points in my posts? - Ted Smith 16:36:19 09/22/07 (0)

So... your opinion on the JAES paper is...? nt - clarkjohnsen 09:07:52 09/22/07 (6)

A crock? - Ted Smith 10:47:03 09/22/07 (5)

"It shows an unbelievable degree of unsophistication." Oh I believe it all right! - clarkjohnsen 08:37:07 09/24/07 (0)

So you read the article, then? - tlyyra 14:09:42 09/22/07 (3)

I do believe in good science and enjoy the result of the same (including DSD) - Ted Smith 14:56:04 09/22/07 (2)

Can you believe that guy? "Maybe I read too much into your CV." - clarkjohnsen 10:22:39 09/23/07 (1)

RE: Can you believe that guy? "Maybe I read too much into your CV." - Ted Smith 16:55:34 09/23/07 (0)

I'll admit I don't have enough experience with SACD/DVD-A... - Axon 12:08:52 09/14/07 (2)

RE: I'll admit I don't have enough experience with SACD/DVD-A... - krabapple 10:02:47 09/20/07 (0)

RE: I'll admit I don't have enough experience with SACD/DVD-A... - Ted Smith 13:46:35 09/14/07 (0)

Perhaps a key element of the test wasn't disclosed. - Bruce Kendall 16:00:11 09/13/07 (0)

Right. I'm not concerned about the DBT aspect, rather the really sloppy experimental procedures... - clarkjohnsen 12:07:29 09/13/07 (12)

Yeah, I've read it. - Axon 12:36:04 09/13/07 (11)

Your observations are mostly well-taken. Still I have concerns. - clarkjohnsen 08:22:26 09/14/07 (10)

RE: That clears up a lot! - EBradMeyer 10:19:54 09/23/07 (0)

RE: "what the equipment was, esp. the speakers" - tlyyra 09:36:57 09/14/07 (8)

Are you involved in some sort of contest or something? - Bruce Kendall 12:10:19 09/14/07 (3)

He's a bitter man, a bully, and an unworthy opponent -- misrepresentation is his only game. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:22:32 09/15/07 (1)

Speaking of bitterness - tlyyra 12:23:57 09/15/07 (0)

??? - tlyyra 04:23:52 09/15/07 (0)

Frankly, My dear... - bjh 10:55:46 09/14/07 (3)

RE: Frankly, My dear... - tlyyra 11:56:44 09/14/07 (2)

Toots a simple, "No, I don't want to comment" would have been entirely sufficient. - bjh 12:36:05 09/14/07 (1)

Sorry if it was too complicated - tlyyra 04:48:17 09/15/07 (0)

RE: Perhaps you all might agree with the conclusion more? - Dan Banquer 05:45:16 09/12/07 (0)

RE: Perhaps you all might agree with the conclusion more? - Todd Krieger 01:06:08 09/12/07 (7)

"a study was seemingly brought up out of thin air with a desired outcome" - andy_c 20:16:25 09/12/07 (0)

"The... sacred belief that because it's an AES article, it's automatically truth and ought not be challenged." - clarkjohnsen 09:35:51 09/12/07 (5)

From the book of Positive Feedback, chapter 8, verse 5. And the Lord CJ cast the devil from the redbook cd - AJinFLA 13:41:59 09/13/07 (0)

These Were Never True Peer Reviews to Begin With....... - Todd Krieger 11:07:02 09/12/07 (3)

Excellent post - Analog Scott 08:32:28 09/13/07 (0)

"Token peers," Omigosh, that sez it all! - clarkjohnsen 11:11:18 09/12/07 (1)

That's not sour grapes talking, is it? - tlyyra 09:54:11 09/14/07 (0)

RE: Perhaps you all might agree with the conclusion more? - theaudiohobby 00:47:32 09/12/07 (0)

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