In Reply to: Re: Motsenbacher and Fitchen "Low Noise Electronic Design" posted by Mahatma Kane Jeeves on August 21, 2006 at 18:54:08:
This does get a bit confusing :-). But basically, the noisy circuit is modeled as a noiseless one with a noise voltage source in series with the open-circuit input signal voltage all the way back at the input. That noise source is eni, and is the figure of merit for the noise performance. It's computed by taking the output noise voltage and dividing by the gain from the open-circuit input signal voltage to the output voltage.If I understand your question correctly, you're referring to the output noise contribution from a noise source at a certain point in the circuit. But the way the equivalent input noise figure of merit is formulated, the effect when that contribution is reflected back to the input (by dividing by the amp's gain) is independent of whether there is feedback or not. Feedback reduces the output noise contribution, but the gain is correspondingly lower too. So it comes out the same when reflected back to the input.
Anyhoo, I hope I've answered the question you asked and not a different one :-).
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- Re: Motsenbacher and Fitchen "Low Noise Electronic Design" - andy_c 19:11:42 08/21/06 (17)
- Re: Motsenbacher and Fitchen "Low Noise Electronic Design" - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 19:13:17 08/21/06 (16)
- Re: Motsenbacher and Fitchen "Low Noise Electronic Design" - john curl 21:57:14 08/21/06 (15)
- OT: feedback resistors in PAs - Jacques 03:41:40 08/22/06 (14)
- Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - john curl 06:24:00 08/22/06 (3)
- Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - john curl 09:58:29 08/22/06 (0)
- The 100 ohms resistor... - Jacques 06:56:23 08/22/06 (1)
- Re: The 100 ohms resistor... - john curl 00:52:14 08/23/06 (0)
- Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - jneutron 06:12:15 08/22/06 (8)
- Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - Jacques 06:48:41 08/22/06 (7)
- Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - jneutron 07:16:53 08/22/06 (6)
- Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - john curl 15:56:04 08/22/06 (2)
- Ah, forgot to say, you are correct..I used haversine incorrectly..thanks..nt - jneutron 07:13:18 08/23/06 (0)
- Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - jneutron 06:43:00 08/23/06 (0)
- You're so quick in calculations... - Jacques 07:50:31 08/22/06 (2)
- Re: You're so quick in calculations... - jneutron 08:09:19 08/22/06 (1)
- BTW, that calculation.. - jneutron 08:21:18 08/22/06 (0)
- Re: OT: feedback resistors in PAs - Dan Banquer 05:00:32 08/22/06 (0)