Yes, well going or placing the DUT next door will obliterate both conventional and Beltist effects. -nt

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Topic - Hand Cream and static. - May Belt 12:43:07 07/23/07 (181)

We all gotta get in the same room! - Enophile 18:26:56 07/31/07 (12)

"Would any of y'all refuse to break bread and/or toss back beverages with your doppelgangers?" - SF tech 15:41:34 08/01/07 (1)

This has the makings of an all time classic party. - Enophile 12:11:58 08/02/07 (0)

Count me in... - rlw 13:12:29 08/01/07 (1)

Don't forget to bring your, uh, you know... - geoffkait 14:35:19 08/01/07 (0)

You're the guys! - unclestu52 18:45:01 07/31/07 (7)

I think I wuz prolly one of the first... - geoffkait 12:21:15 08/01/07 (6)

You would be welcome to bring any "reversible" tweak you'd like...just so long as we don't lose our deposit! - Enophile 14:16:17 08/02/07 (5)

By "reversible" do you mean like system enhancing fluids? :-) nt - geoffkait 15:22:56 08/02/07 (4)

RE: By "reversible" do you mean like system enhancing fluids? :-) nt - May Belt 01:30:05 08/03/07 (3)

Last year, we made two types. - Enophile 07:10:03 08/03/07 (2)

Oh, mass loading. Why didn't you say so? nt - geoffkait 03:08:01 08/04/07 (0)

Ah ha! So that would be a "Beltist" style tweak then... - rick_m 08:30:51 08/03/07 (0)

RE: Hand Cream and static. - zanash 00:11:06 07/24/07 (121)

RE: Hand Cream and static. - May Belt 10:53:06 07/24/07 (2)

RE: Hand Cream and static. - zanash 23:12:53 07/24/07 (1)

Did you test this ? NT - Lowrider 06:58:19 09/17/07 (0)

RE: Hand Cream and static. - rick_m 09:34:26 07/24/07 (6)

RE: Hand Cream and static. - zanash 01:38:23 07/26/07 (0)

"...altering the mechanical damping of the disk." And more. - clarkjohnsen 09:27:16 07/25/07 (0)

I do believe - unclestu52 11:34:34 07/24/07 (3)

RE: I do believe - rick_m 12:27:36 07/24/07 (2)

Yep - unclestu52 12:33:52 07/24/07 (1)

In Microsoft I trust! - rick_m 12:58:40 07/24/07 (0)

RE: Hand Cream and static. - Posy Rorer 09:16:48 07/24/07 (110)

NOTE ALL: The two responses just below were simply intended to derail the discussion. - clarkjohnsen 09:22:15 07/25/07 (1)

STALKER ALERT!!! New thread policeman in town? - Enophile 09:57:38 07/25/07 (0)

The product names, "Cream Electret" and "Sol Electret" imply something via their use of the word "electret." - Enophile 11:16:52 07/24/07 (1)

RE: The product names, "Cream Electret" and "Sol Electret" imply something via their use of the word "electret." - Posy Rorer 12:19:54 07/25/07 (0)

Be aware though... - rlw 10:41:35 07/24/07 (12)

RE: Be aware though... - zanash 01:39:27 07/26/07 (0)

Now you're comparing me to a Nazi? Yeah, you're really convincing us you're not a troll. - Posy Rorer 13:39:31 07/25/07 (4)

Posy is everyone you disagree with a troll? - Lt Einhorn 05:51:33 06/09/15 (0)

Not Hitler, you dolt, it's the Chermans, Tommy! - rlw 09:32:11 07/26/07 (0)

Godwin's Law...excellent. - Enophile 14:59:37 07/25/07 (1)

RE: Godwin's Law...excellent. - Posy Rorer 16:20:31 07/25/07 (0)

Once they get a foothold in your house you can never get rid of them - geoffkait 11:00:44 07/24/07 (5)

You already used that line, Geoff... - rlw 11:15:37 07/24/07 (4)

"Most of us" - geoffkait 11:26:51 07/24/07 (3)

I'm not a baker... - rlw 11:35:50 07/24/07 (2)

Not a pretty picture... - Wellfed 20:14:03 07/24/07 (0)

Rlw, I have to admit you do exude a certain, uh, charm... - geoffkait 13:32:56 07/24/07 (0)

"Do the test, you'll have the answers." - pburant 10:03:05 07/24/07 (92)

RE: "Do the test, you'll have the answers." - Posy Rorer 13:17:05 07/25/07 (0)

"[Your] ideas are never accompanied by any validation of the ideas." Yep. Einstein wrote those papers... - clarkjohnsen 09:18:50 07/25/07 (90)

He demonstrated the math - unclestu52 19:07:47 07/25/07 (89)

Lemaitre also demonstrated the math. Einstein didn't believe him. -nt - Posy Rorer 20:28:49 07/25/07 (88)

Notice the weasely shift from lack of "validation" to *well, he did the math.* LOL! - clarkjohnsen 08:41:58 07/26/07 (84)

A dim wit and a weasel, that I am - unclestu52 13:35:17 07/26/07 (83)

A mathematical model for the Beltist phenomenon, as requested. - Posy Rorer 14:34:13 07/26/07 (64)

Our antagonist weaseled out again; that, coupled with David Aitkin's notable takedown of his illogic... - clarkjohnsen 08:14:54 07/30/07 (55)

It is a sad time - unclestu52 12:42:11 07/30/07 (52)

Posey's Doubly-Sad Mathematical Model & The Mars Lunar Lander - Posy Rorer 20:38:51 07/30/07 (50)

"I'm not sure why he is [an antagonist] to you." - clarkjohnsen 08:23:23 07/31/07 (45)

Hatfield vs. McCoy: The Polarity Years - Posy Rorer 11:15:12 07/31/07 (44)

All basically true, except that "it can only be determined subjectively". - clarkjohnsen 09:35:01 08/01/07 (0)

RE: Hatfield vs. McCoy: The Polarity Years - rick_m 20:11:20 07/31/07 (1)

RE: Hatfield vs. McCoy: The Polarity Years - Posy Rorer 22:27:48 07/31/07 (0)

RE: Hatfield vs. McCoy - unclestu52 13:49:35 07/31/07 (40)

RE: Hatfield vs. McCoy - Posy Rorer 16:20:50 07/31/07 (39)

RE: Hatfield vs. McCoy - unclestu52 18:30:32 07/31/07 (38)

RE: I now understand the emphasis on amplitude measurements over time measurements - rick_m 19:56:03 07/31/07 (19)

This very problem was fingered as a culprit in The Wood Effect (1988). - clarkjohnsen 10:14:16 08/01/07 (0)

RE: I now understand the emphasis on amplitude measurements over time measurements - unclestu52 20:48:42 07/31/07 (17)

RE: I now understand the emphasis on amplitude measurements over time measurements - rick_m 22:29:17 07/31/07 (16)

Usually inverting the polarity - unclestu52 01:36:44 08/01/07 (15)

RE: Usually inverting the polarity - rick_m 07:58:41 08/01/07 (14)

See how "they" have been messing with you? Just as with polarity! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:17:21 08/01/07 (13)

Still waiting to know who "they" are.... -nt - rick_m 11:56:28 08/02/07 (5)

"They" are Them; haven't you seen the movie? nt - clarkjohnsen 12:00:03 08/02/07 (4)

I'm confused. I thought "Them" was Van Morrison's old band? -nt - Posy Rorer 22:05:26 08/02/07 (1)

Them too. nt - clarkjohnsen 07:26:25 08/03/07 (0)

RE: "They" are Them; haven't you seen the movie? nt - rick_m 13:10:05 08/02/07 (1)

It's a wretched movie indeed, but highly informative. I'm with you on The Simpsons. In fact... - clarkjohnsen 07:20:48 08/03/07 (0)

Actually, I don't see... - rick_m 11:33:23 08/01/07 (6)

Question: Do the "speaker guys" ever tell us that they're selling phase incoherencers? - clarkjohnsen 11:41:59 08/01/07 (5)

RE: Question: Do the "speaker guys" ever tell us that they're selling phase incoherencers? - rick_m 13:50:21 08/01/07 (4)

What you say, was already well-known back in the Seventies and Eighties. - clarkjohnsen 08:43:08 08/02/07 (3)

What WASN'T covered in 'The Wood Effect'? - rick_m 10:11:00 08/02/07 (2)

Answer: What WAS, was anything and everything to do with polarity. - clarkjohnsen 10:34:21 08/02/07 (1)

LOL!!!!! - unclestu52 15:02:22 09/16/07 (0)

RE: Hatfield vs. McCoy - Posy Rorer 19:21:55 07/31/07 (17)

A few observations on your observations - clarkjohnsen 10:10:22 08/01/07 (12)

It is good to know - unclestu52 10:41:13 08/01/07 (11)

RE: It is good to know - Posy Rorer 11:34:27 08/01/07 (10)

RE: It is good to know - unclestu52 13:45:05 08/01/07 (9)

RE: It is good to know - Posy Rorer 22:25:56 08/01/07 (8)

The reason I tell him to "read the book" is because he claims to own it -- EXCEPT... - clarkjohnsen 09:00:01 08/02/07 (6)

ex nihilo nihil fit - unclestu52 13:48:45 08/02/07 (5)

aut concilio aut ense - Posy Rorer 22:57:11 08/02/07 (4)

Yes; now you see what I mean. Good try, though, and thanks, but he's irredeemable. nt - clarkjohnsen 07:23:26 08/03/07 (2)

The Clark sidestep.... - unclestu52 12:14:37 08/03/07 (0)

Mind you, I added that before I had read his attempt at an indictment of me below. Lordy!! nt - clarkjohnsen 07:25:41 08/03/07 (0)

My apologies for having - unclestu52 00:48:34 08/03/07 (0)

Well, I am glad - unclestu52 22:38:26 08/01/07 (0)

Did you know.... - unclestu52 19:51:37 07/31/07 (3)

RE: Did you know.... - Posy Rorer 21:44:17 07/31/07 (2)

"isn't the order of polarity locked into the recording?" No! - clarkjohnsen 11:35:43 08/01/07 (0)

RE: Did you know.... - unclestu52 01:11:21 08/01/07 (0)

Re Clark's Mathematical Model & The Mars Lunar Lander - unclestu52 22:19:43 07/30/07 (3)

RE: Re Clark's Mathematical Model & The Mars Lunar Lander - Posy Rorer 00:31:26 07/31/07 (2)

Lest this silliness continue... - clarkjohnsen 08:08:33 07/31/07 (1)

Let's dance - unclestu52 13:54:09 07/31/07 (0)

Re: "a degree in physics" - tlyyra 14:34:30 07/30/07 (0)

You and Posy make quite a couple! - SF tech 11:17:50 07/30/07 (1)

Naw, I think you & rlw make a much better couple. - Posy Rorer 21:51:56 07/30/07 (0)

"Clark came up with it after many nights laboring over it, and I had to like -beg- him for it for days..." - SF tech 15:48:47 07/26/07 (7)

Awww, whatsamatter, jr.? Did they kick you out of the PR Fan Club for attacking the less obsessive trolls? - Posy Rorer 23:56:27 07/26/07 (6)

"I got a surprise waiting for you in my cabana...." -- Posy Rorer - SF tech 00:07:56 07/27/07 (5)

"Are you human?" - SF Tech - Posy Rorer 06:23:17 07/27/07 (4)

Witnessing your mental condition deteriorate is strangely fascinating... - SF tech 11:29:56 07/30/07 (3)

LOL! Is anyone interested in taking up a collection to buy our "SF Tech" troll a sense of humour? - Posy Rorer 20:52:04 07/30/07 (2)

LMAO! You *are* funny! - SF tech 22:59:46 07/30/07 (1)

Gee, thanks. You are too. Never deliberately, alas. -nt - Posy Rorer 11:20:07 07/31/07 (0)

RE: "admittedly I haven't tried all of their tweaks." - geoffkait 14:05:22 07/26/07 (17)

Geoff - unclestu52 22:20:15 07/26/07 (15)

RE: Negative or no results - geoffkait 02:14:20 07/27/07 (14)

( ? ) - unclestu52 19:49:57 07/27/07 (13)

Don't do it Stu! I'm counting on you... - rick_m 12:44:32 07/28/07 (0)

RE: ( ? ) - May Belt 08:45:26 07/28/07 (11)

Testing advice? - rick_m 12:22:08 07/28/07 (10)

RE: Testing advice? - May Belt 08:00:48 07/29/07 (9)

RE: Testing advice? - rick_m 10:47:25 07/29/07 (8)

"I am a firm believer in... the power of suggestion." Indeed, and... - clarkjohnsen 08:04:42 07/30/07 (7)

Us? - rick_m 10:24:32 07/30/07 (6)

"Keep an open mind." - rick m - Posy Rorer 21:09:26 07/30/07 (4)

RE: "Keep an open mind." - rick m - rick_m 23:06:58 07/30/07 (3)

RE: "Keep an open mind." - rick m - Posy Rorer 23:33:50 07/30/07 (2)

It's nice to be loved... - rlw 09:04:55 08/05/07 (0)

Nice choice for "mockworthy". nt - clarkjohnsen 08:33:48 07/31/07 (0)

"Question your beliefs. Question Authority. Keep an open mind. Have a beer." - SF tech 17:25:36 07/30/07 (0)

I never claimed to be superman ( NT ) - unclestu52 17:59:49 07/26/07 (0)

I believe Einstein - unclestu52 21:59:01 07/25/07 (2)

Illogical appeals to Einstein are a hallmark of bad thinking. - Enophile 22:08:23 07/25/07 (1)

Cheer up! - unclestu52 01:58:02 07/26/07 (0)

First, quick response -- more to come. May, is there *anything* one can do to one's system... - clarkjohnsen 14:15:24 07/23/07 (45)

RE: First, quick response -- more to come. May, is there *anything* one can do to one's system... - May Belt 08:03:31 07/25/07 (19)

RE: First, quick response -- more to come. May, is there *anything* one can do to one's system... - rick_m 10:16:39 07/25/07 (0)

The examples you offer are geared towards a Beltist explanation. And... - clarkjohnsen 09:06:10 07/25/07 (17)

RE: The examples you offer are geared towards a Beltist explanation. And... - Posy Rorer 14:46:58 07/25/07 (15)

You write as though I'm denying the Beltist phenomena; I am not. I'm just trying to... - clarkjohnsen 08:28:45 07/26/07 (14)

My argument is the lotion tweak is a Beltist tweak. And nothing else. - Posy Rorer 11:22:30 07/26/07 (13)

How we gonna separate the variables? nt - clarkjohnsen 07:53:28 07/30/07 (6)

Easy. Test passive devices in another room. nt - Posy Rorer 22:04:53 07/30/07 (5)

Do we know that such a move obliterates the effect? Maybe go next door? nt - clarkjohnsen 08:41:19 07/31/07 (4)

Yes, well going or placing the DUT next door will obliterate both conventional and Beltist effects. -nt - Posy Rorer 12:55:47 07/31/07 (3)

What if "next door" is an apartment and thier rooms are contiguous with yours? (Just askin'...) - clarkjohnsen 09:40:29 08/01/07 (2)

RE: What if "next door" is an apartment and thier rooms are contiguous with yours? (Just askin'...) - May Belt 12:37:29 08/01/07 (1)

"Science does not begin to touch a fraction of how and why things work." No argument here! And... - clarkjohnsen 12:44:37 08/01/07 (0)

Wow. That was quite a string of insults! A+ for effort! - Enophile 14:53:34 07/26/07 (5)

Awww shucks, tweren't nuthin'.... No, really. - Posy Rorer 21:40:45 07/26/07 (4)

Poser, showing his reflective, thoughtful side.... - rlw 07:43:21 07/30/07 (2)

RLW's reflective side: "Make the giant, manly leap and show up on my doorstep while runnin' yer big mouth." - Posy Rorer 15:35:39 07/31/07 (0)

SF Tech troll, have you met the Richard L. Wainwright troll? - Posy Rorer 22:00:58 07/30/07 (0)

Posy, that is quite a manifesto you have there... - SF tech 23:32:47 07/26/07 (0)

RE: The examples you offer are geared towards a Beltist explanation. And... - May Belt 10:34:38 07/25/07 (0)

RE: First, quick response -- more to come. May, is there *anything* one can do to one's system... - May Belt 15:21:34 07/23/07 (24)

"So, Clark, I ask you." And ye shall be answered. - clarkjohnsen 10:57:07 07/24/07 (9)

RE: "So, Clark, I ask you." And ye shall be answered. - May Belt 14:52:56 07/24/07 (8)

And more, and more - clarkjohnsen 09:13:26 07/25/07 (5)

RE: And more, and more - May Belt 03:51:15 07/26/07 (1)

Thanks for the essay, it elucidates the phenomenon wonderfully. - clarkjohnsen 08:18:56 07/30/07 (0)

Perfect question. The whole jar being in the room or the house should have a proportionately large impact. - Enophile 10:36:07 07/25/07 (2)

RE: Perfect question. The whole jar being in the room or the house should have a proportionately large impact. - Posy Rorer 15:12:19 07/25/07 (1)

Thanks, your answer is logically consistent. We gotta drink and listen together. - Enophile 15:22:22 07/25/07 (0)

RE: "So, Clark, I ask you." And ye shall be answered. - May Belt 08:01:57 07/25/07 (1)

A static charge - unclestu52 19:14:29 07/25/07 (0)

You presume, of course,... - rlw 10:53:25 07/24/07 (12)

RE: You presume, of course,... - May Belt 14:49:06 07/24/07 (7)

Only because Posy claimed that was my "problem"... - rlw 09:46:34 07/26/07 (6)

RE: Only because Posy claimed that was my "problem"... - May Belt 02:01:32 07/27/07 (5)

Sorry, May, the record speaks for itself... - rlw 05:39:40 07/27/07 (4)

Yes it does. And the record shows that you're an insincere troll with a tweak-bashing agenda. - Posy Rorer 08:59:40 07/28/07 (2)

Man, I'm LOVIN' this! - rlw 15:38:57 07/29/07 (1)

Great job, "rlw". Thanks for confirming your troll status. You can be safely ignored now. -nt - Posy Rorer 22:11:28 07/30/07 (0)

RE: Sorry, May, the record speaks for itself... - May Belt 08:42:03 07/27/07 (0)

"I'll wait while you collect your thoughts..." Condescending, patronizing, fatuous... - clarkjohnsen 11:01:16 07/24/07 (3)

Well, well, Mr. Johnsen... - rlw 11:12:27 07/24/07 (2)

It's your "attitude*, dude, not your questions. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:30:45 07/24/07 (1)

You might be on to something there, dear boy... - rlw 11:46:34 07/24/07 (0)

"As a 'professional in audio' one cannot 'flounder around'" - pburant 08:43:35 07/24/07 (0)

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Yes, well going or placing the DUT next door will obliterate both conventional and Beltist effects. -nt - Posy Rorer 12:55:47 07/31/07 (3)

What if "next door" is an apartment and thier rooms are contiguous with yours? (Just askin'...) - clarkjohnsen 09:40:29 08/01/07 (2)

RE: What if "next door" is an apartment and thier rooms are contiguous with yours? (Just askin'...) - May Belt 12:37:29 08/01/07 (1)

"Science does not begin to touch a fraction of how and why things work." No argument here! And... - clarkjohnsen 12:44:37 08/01/07 (0)

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