In Reply to: RE: VPI "Magic Brick" = You Don't Know What You've Got Till It's Gone! posted by May Belt on June 28, 2007 at 14:33:32:
Interesting! I took a few minutes to do a brief test on this theory, as I had not heard of it before. Here are my findings:
SYSTEM:
Well, my audio system is not installed presently, so I decided to use the top of my computer for the test location, since it was conveniently located right next to your post. I played an mp3 on the computer (JJ Cale's "Devil In Disguise", if anyone cares), listening through a pair of portable player headphones. The materials I used was a Ziploc bag (with the Ziploc brand stamped on it), and an iron bar, about 6" long x 1" wide and maybe a 1/4" thick.
- First, I listened to the system without "installing" anything, which I often do to hear what the system currently sounds like. (Although I should say, the first time you listen is -always- the best, and indeed this test was no exception).
- Next, I placed the empty Ziploc bag on top of the computer. Expecting the sound to worsen without fail (I already know what Ziploc bags sound like....), I was surprised to see this was not necessarily the case! While the Ziploc bag clearly degraded the overall quality of the sound (things collapsing, transients dulling, etc), the core of the sound had me transfixed. I could tell that even while things were degrading all around, "musicality" (a key aspect to music reproduction!), had gotten better. My being didn't mind the degradation, it was too busy enjoying the increased musicality.
- Next, the iron bar alone on top of the computer. This degraded the sound, nuff said.
- Next, the iron bar inside the Ziploc bag, with the bag sealed. It took me a minute, but I had to conclude you were right. This sound seemed to bear no relation to the sound of the bag alone or the bar alone. It was a "duller" sound than all the previous changes (including the original sound with nothing), because HF was not as bright, but there was more information now, soundstage got larger, and the confirmation of an improvement came from a stronger connection to the musical message than the iron bar alone. I realize most people would prefer this sound to that of the bag alone. But was it more "musical" than the bag alone? I listened again to just the bag, and again, confirmed that it did add additional "magic" to the musical message, though I hesitate to say "more", and would rather say "they're different".
CONCLUSION: You may be right about VPI. EMI is the pet theory of both the company and any technically-minded person who advocates this tweak, but it may have nothing to do with it. Myself, I always thought it was the weight. "Back in the day", when this thing was more popular, I tried heavy weights, like bricks (not the magic kind, alas), on top of my amp. Did improve the sound (ie. timbre gets sharper), but eventually, I found weights on top of equipment screwed up the soundstage, and in general, the sound. But could it be working on a combination of EMI filtering, dead weight (resonance tuning) and Beltist principle? Whatever, I would have to say now that there's definitely something Beltist to the operation of the VPI bricks, as the product does fit the once-removed theory.
It occurs to me that if everyone other than me were allergic to Kryptonite (tm), then we would all have greatly improved audio systems by simply placing a stick of it inside a plastic bag.....Objective Audiophile 2007
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Follow Ups
- RE: Test of Once-Removed Theory - Posy Rorer 00:29:29 06/29/07 (43)
- VPI Bricks - unclestu52 01:43:31 06/30/07 (0)
- With three variables in play, analysis always becomes difficult. Myself... - clarkjohnsen 07:39:52 06/29/07 (0)
- RE: Test of Once-Removed Theory - May Belt 04:04:04 06/29/07 (40)
- Basic physics - unclestu52 02:00:03 06/30/07 (2)
- RE: Basic physics - May Belt 06:54:21 06/30/07 (1)
- RE: Basic physics - unclestu52 22:17:12 07/01/07 (0)
- "Tie a Reef knot in any audio cable." That reminds me! - clarkjohnsen 07:49:29 06/29/07 (0)
- "Then any explanation to do with WEIGHT or with MAGNETISM... no longer holds water !!!" Correction: - clarkjohnsen 07:43:50 06/29/07 (24)
- So does anyone here actually have one of these magic bricks to test? - Posy Rorer 12:14:02 06/29/07 (21)
- I have four bricks - unclestu52 02:07:30 06/30/07 (20)
- RE: I have four bricks - May Belt 03:56:01 06/30/07 (19)
- So... Styrofoam bad, Felt good! - rick_m 12:20:49 06/30/07 (15)
- RE: So... Styrofoam bad, Felt good! - May Belt 03:42:49 07/01/07 (0)
- RE: So... Styrofoam bad, Felt good! - Posy Rorer 13:50:27 06/30/07 (13)
- Toothpicks and cherry Lifesavers - Posy Rorer 22:31:57 06/30/07 (8)
- RE: Toothpicks and cherry Lifesavers - rick_m 00:28:53 07/01/07 (7)
- RE: Toothpicks and cherry Lifesavers - Posy Rorer 13:05:06 07/01/07 (2)
- Posy, May, Stu... - rick_m 00:02:01 07/02/07 (1)
- RE: Posy, May, Stu... - unclestu52 01:08:09 07/02/07 (0)
- RE: Toothpicks and cherry Lifesavers - May Belt 04:57:17 07/01/07 (0)
- RE: Toothpicks and cherry Lifesavers - unclestu52 03:01:54 07/01/07 (2)
- RE: Toothpicks and cherry Lifesavers - May Belt 04:50:32 07/01/07 (1)
- a few comments (long) - unclestu52 11:40:49 07/01/07 (0)
- RE: So... Styrofoam bad, Felt good! - rick_m 14:56:39 06/30/07 (3)
- True polycarbonate - unclestu52 20:10:58 06/30/07 (2)
- RE: True polycarbonate - rick_m 23:24:36 06/30/07 (1)
- RE: True polycarbonate - unclestu52 02:33:31 07/01/07 (0)
- My apologies - unclestu52 11:53:42 06/30/07 (2)
- Nice post... - SF tech 13:14:13 06/30/07 (1)
- Shakti Stones - unclestu52 20:00:10 06/30/07 (0)
- RE: "Then any explanation to do with WEIGHT or with MAGNETISM... no longer holds water !!!" Correction: - May Belt 10:56:51 06/29/07 (1)
- I'm just saying, that experiment alone does not eliminate either of the other two possibilities. - clarkjohnsen 11:53:44 06/29/07 (0)
- RE: Test of Once-Removed Theory - thetubeguy1954 06:38:18 06/29/07 (10)
- RE: Test of Once-Removed Theory - May Belt 11:12:29 06/29/07 (9)
- RE: Test of Once-Removed Theory - thetubeguy1954 11:44:17 06/29/07 (8)
- My God! - unclestu52 01:56:08 06/30/07 (3)
- RE: My God! - rick_m 12:53:03 06/30/07 (2)
- I would - unclestu52 20:17:17 06/30/07 (1)
- RE: I would - rick_m 22:14:57 06/30/07 (0)
- RE: Test of Once-Removed Theory - May Belt 14:32:48 06/29/07 (3)
- Thanks May! - thetubeguy1954 06:05:50 07/02/07 (2)
- RE: Thanks May! - May Belt 09:37:14 07/02/07 (1)
- RE: Thanks May! - May Belt 09:42:05 07/02/07 (0)