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This guy is playing the Audio technica Art 9, but.....

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Posted on February 26, 2017 at 18:27:54
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 ....to me it sounds a bit bright and clangy especially about 4 mins in on the video, I know YouTube can only give part of the sense in real life, but even so, what do you think.

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Mike.

 

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RE: This guy is playing the Audio technica Art 9, but....., posted on February 26, 2017 at 19:02:14
dirtyvinyl
 I'm not sure if it's a fair assessment over the Ipad speaker, but I can hear a nice system playing a nice record on some of these videos.

The vibes on the recording are accentuated or pushed forward in proportion to the rest of the mix at times. Is it the recording or the ART 9 misbehaving beacause of adjustment?

Mine doesn't get hot on top, but it will play what's on the record. Maybe a twist of VTA to tone it down or a few more miles on the odometer to calm things down? It wasn't bad, just gets your attention.

 

RE: This guy is playing the Audio technica Art 9, but....., posted on February 26, 2017 at 19:11:11
Joe Backer
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 As someone that buys a lot of very nice guitars, I can attest that the sound you get from a youtube video is of absolutely no use in evaluating how something sounds. If you were comparing two things that were recorded during the same session, there can be some relative value in hearing one after the other. The microphone used and the room space play too large a part and can be too variable.

 

Nevermind bright...., posted on February 26, 2017 at 21:59:10
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 I can't get pass that wooly ill-defined bass which is totally dragging the tune down altho, I doubt it's a cartridge.



 

RE: This guy is playing the Audio technica Art 9, but....., posted on February 27, 2017 at 05:49:45
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 Really, you are trying to assess the sound of a system through an iphone microphone moving around the room, played back through your computer. That's like thinking your a rocket scientist because you stayed at a Holiday Inn once.

 

If my ART9 sounded like that..., posted on February 27, 2017 at 06:13:25
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 I'd get rid of all the other components and start over. '-)

In my system the ART9 sounds very nice. I prefer it over the Dynavector Karat 17D3 I had for years, and I really enjoyed that cartridge.

It's not reasonable to try to come to a meaningful conclusion about any component from a YouTube video. The ART9 may sound fine in that system but we'll never know because we aren't there in the room listening.

Regards,
Tom

 

CJ MV55 paired with Maggies perhaps?, posted on February 27, 2017 at 06:26:56
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 It's wonderful EL34 amp, but I suspect not a great match for those speakers?
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RE: This guy is playing the Audio technica Art 9, but....., posted on February 27, 2017 at 06:52:34
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 Okay! I erased my original response because I just listened through my main system and the sound quality is very poor. I listen to YouTube videos quite often through my main system and they can have very good sound quality, but this one is poor.

You cannot judge this cartridge with this YouTube video. I own the AT-ART7 and it's currently my favorite cartridge. I'm sure the AT-ART9 sounds just as good.

One thing that might be a real problem is that Grace tonearm. The AT-ART9 is a high-compliance cartridge and should be mounted in a low-mass tonearm. The AT-ART9 is rated at 18 x 10-6 cm/dyne compliance at 100-Hz. It's compliance at resonance is probably around 27 x 10-6 cm/dyne. I know the arm/cartridge resonance frequency of my AT-ART7 in my SME V is in-between 6-Hz and 7-Hz. It seems to work in my system, but I have vacuum hold-down to flatten the record and my SME V has only about 10.5-grams effective mass. I don't know the mass of that particular Grace tonearm but it looks like medium to medium-high mass.

Anyway, you're right about the sound quality of this recording, but I don't believe it's representative of the sound quality of the AT-ART9.

Best regards,
John Elison

 

RE: If my ART9 sounded like that..., posted on February 27, 2017 at 06:55:56
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 Hi Tom,

Have you ever measured the arm/cartridge resonance frequency of your AT-ART9? I'm pretty sure my AT-ART7 has the same cantilever suspension as your AT-ART9 and it measures in-between 6-Hz and 7-Hz in my 10.5-gram SME V.

Thanks,
John Elison

 

RE: If my ART9 sounded like that..., posted on February 27, 2017 at 07:45:37
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 Hi, John,

I don't think I have the right tools to analyze resonance frequencies. Or at least I don't think I do.

I have a Pioneer PDR-509 CD recorder that I could use to digitally record the output of the cartridge/phono stage and a copy of the Ultimate Analogue Test LP. If I recorded Track 5, a 1kHz to 10 Hz sweep, would that provide a meaningful recording of cartridge output to determine resonance frequency?

I have a copy of Audacity installed on my PC to view/analyze the resulting recording but I'm not sure if the resonance peaks would be obvious. I also have a copy of WaveRepair, which has a frequency analysis function with graphing of both channels but I've never used it for this purpose.

Any advice and instructions you can offer would be appreciated!

Regards,
Tom

 

RE: This guy is playing the Audio technica Art 9, but....., posted on February 27, 2017 at 08:27:57
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 Speakers poorly spaced and placed , dust cover on and partially up ( duh ) and over U-boob with prolly phone mic for video ..




Sounds about right , BTW , not bright on my desk tops speakers ....

 

RE: My DIY approach to ultrasonic record cleaning, posted on February 27, 2017 at 08:37:20
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 I bought an ART7, and on my system it is definitely etched in the high end, posted many needledrops and received the same feedback from others.

Loading was set from 8 ohms to 184 ohms in testing on this system

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RE: My DIY approach to ultrasonic record cleaning, posted on February 27, 2017 at 09:51:52
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 Every Audio technica i have ever heard dating back to the early 70's was etched and detailed, that detail is what most AT users like, of course if you have speakers already detailed in the top , this will be overkill and not tameable ...



Regards ...

 

RE: My DIY approach to ultrasonic record cleaning, posted on February 27, 2017 at 09:54:05
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 What does this have to do with ultrasonic cleaning. Am I missing something?

 

RE: If my ART9 sounded like that..., posted on February 27, 2017 at 09:58:58
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 > If I recorded Track 5, a 1kHz to 10 Hz sweep, would that provide a meaningful recording of cartridge output to determine resonance frequency?

No! I suspect the arm/cartridge resonance frequency is below 10-Hz. Even if it were above 10-Hz, you would need some software or test equipment to evaluate the sweep. Have you ever used any of those sweeps other than just playing them and listening? The Ultimate Analog Test LP is probably not a very useful test record for the average person. You need a test record that allows you to evaluate your cartridge by listening and observing.

I think every high-end audio enthusiast should own a test record that does three things without the need of any special equipment to measure the test tracks. Firstly, there should be a test for evaluating whether your channels are connected correctly or reversed. Secondly, there should be a test to evaluate whether your channels are in-phase or out-of-phase with each other. Finally, there should be an arm cartridge resonance test. After those three, other tests like antiskating, tracking ability, 1000-Hz test tone, etc., are also good to have.

If you look on eBay you'll find that the Shure Audio Obstacle Course for either the Type IV to Type V cartridge are good test records to own. Earlier versions don't contain the arm/cartridge resonance test. The Hi-Fi News Test Record is okay but it's arm/cartridge resonance test is not as accurate as the Shure test record.

Good luck,
John Elison

 

RE: If my ART9 sounded like that..., posted on February 27, 2017 at 12:04:12
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 Doh! I had forgotten the whole exercise was to check for resonance frequencies BELOW 10 Hz.

I any case, I'm not sure I'm motivated enough to pursue additional test LPs and software to check my tonearm/ART9 combination. It seems to be working just fine with sealed subwoofers. But I may do a bit of research on free-ware or share-ware for frequency analysis and perhaps purchase a test LP with the necessary test tones if I can pick one up cheap.

Thanks!
Tom

 

RE: If my ART9 sounded like that..., posted on February 27, 2017 at 12:22:52
John Elison
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 Why did you buy the Ultimate Analogue Test LP and how do you use it? In other words, what does it do for you?

Thanks,
John Elison

 

My ART9 sounds wonderful and still is not over..., posted on February 27, 2017 at 15:50:11
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 80 hours yet. It is not bright at all, it's very musical with very good detail. On great recordings, it is scary good and very quiet when it comes to surface noise.

One can not judge this cartridge from looking at a YouTube clip, they need to hear it in person. It's just one amazing cartridge at a very good price. I would not need to go past this cartridge/ price range. It's right there with my Shelter 901.

 

Another useful Test Disc .., posted on February 27, 2017 at 15:50:53
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 .... to add to the list which is still commonly available on Discogs and eBay is the Ortofon TC002 Test Disc. It has all of the tests that anyone would normally need for technical analysis (apart from a 3150Hz W/F test) plus I find the white noise test (which has RIAA pre-emphasis and primarily for testing phase) incredibly useful for analysing FR characteristics without having to equalise a pink noise test signal. You can also see the exact LF resonance frequency directly. There is also the Difference Tone Test which can be used to estimate stylus wear.

The Ultimate Test LP is missing some essential tests such as tracking ability. However, it is quite useful IF you already have another test disc that covers the other basics. For example - it gives a 0dB reference signal at 1kHz. The frequency sweeps are a bit more sensible than the HFNRR one plus the pink noise tests don't have the response anomalies that my HFNRR disc has. The VTA test tone is also unique, but to be honest, not terribly useful for the average person. I think that SRA is best optimised by ear anyway since the VTA may already be sufficiently mismatched (by cartridge design) so as to render small changes undetectable when analysing the side bands around the 4kHz signal. 28 to 30 degrees seems not uncommon (I measure my JICO SAS styli for my Shure cartridges when deflected as close to this value, as was my Soundsmith'd DL160) which has been confirmed by several cartridge reviews I've seen including for Ortofon and VdH.
Regards Anthony

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RE: If my ART9 sounded like that..., posted on February 27, 2017 at 15:53:21
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 I use Tracks 1, 2, & 3 on side 1 with a Fozgometer for azimuth adjustment. I also use Track 3 on side 2 for cartridge "tune-ups", although I can't say that I've noticed much difference before and after.

I don't bother with anti-skate test tracks. I've found that I can do that by just watching the cantilever as it traces the groove and by listening. One of the reasons I like higher compliance cartridges is that you can see the effect of anti-skate on the cantilever suspension. That, and the slight irregularities in cantilever suspension and alignment are overridden by the forces exerted on the stylus/cantilever as it traces the groove. Basically dynamic alignment; you can see how the stylus and cantilever align to the groove as you play a record. At least that's my working hypothesis. '-)

There are other test tracks that seem interesting but I just haven't taken the time to research what I might need to effectively use them.

Regards,
Tom

 

RE: Nevermind bright...., posted on February 28, 2017 at 02:19:48
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 It's not exactly ill-defined; it's downright distorted. This is definitely not the case for any Sheffield Lab direct-to-disc when played on my system.

 

sounded awful, even for youtoob, posted on March 2, 2017 at 01:27:50
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 nt.

 

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