Goldmund Reference Turntable

$30, 837.67... but $300K in current bucks +/-... , posted on April 20, 2016 at 20:53:53
musetap Audiophile Posts: 31879 Location: San Francisco Joined: July 8, 2003 Contributor Since: January 28, 2004	so they are staying ahead of the curve. Hell, probably costs 10 grand for shipping and set-up. THEN you have to buy a cartridge... "Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure

1980 was just before the great audio rate hike...., posted on April 20, 2016 at 22:20:21
Smelly_Socks	Before 'they' discovered they could sell just as many top of the line devices of any audio sort by nearly all major companies.. at four to ten times the previous price... And started doing so. The change happened around 1984 to 1986 or so..

RE: Goldmund Reference Turntable, posted on April 20, 2016 at 23:06:17
PAR	At the time it was incredibly expensive. For comparison in 1980 a Linn LP12 was under $1K. The Goldmund was significantly more expensive than the average cost of a new car.

RE: I always had a sneaking admiration for this one..., posted on April 20, 2016 at 23:25:18
user510	But that is way out of date. There is a current Goldmund TT available for those 1%'ers out there. I'm not sure if it has the 'spin as you suck' option for cleaner sound, tho. -Steve

RE: Goldmund Reference Turntable, posted on April 21, 2016 at 05:06:18
geoff Audiophile Posts: 3501 Joined: April 5, 2000 Contributor Since: September 10, 2003	I would love to put that in the living room, just to see my wife's face.

Would love to do a side by side comparison with a Walker, posted on April 21, 2016 at 08:24:24
David S. Audiophile Posts: 3552 Location: Mountains of WNC Joined: August 31, 2000	Never got to hear the Goldmund, but have heard the Walker Audio Proscenium Gold Reference a few times. Yummy!

RE: Goldmund Reference Turntable, posted on April 21, 2016 at 08:41:16
SpotcheckBilly12345	Goldmund? Hmmm! Aren't they the Swiss guys who put a stock (Japanese?) CD player inside one of their fancy aluminium cases and jacked up the price ten-fold? Just curious.

Maybe you mean Lexicon?..., posted on April 21, 2016 at 09:25:27

musetap
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and this bit at the link?

"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure

https://www.audioholics.com/blu-ray-and-dvd-player-reviews/l

At least nobody brought up the Lirpa Steamtable... nt, posted on April 21, 2016 at 09:31:45
Dman Audiophile Posts: 7211 Location: Kansas Joined: January 28, 2001	nt Dman Analog Junkie

No (nt), posted on April 21, 2016 at 10:06:52
volunteer Audiophile Posts: 5666 Location: Louisville, KY Joined: January 7, 2012	NT -Wendell

Unfortunately, yes., posted on April 21, 2016 at 14:17:06
hagustos Audiophile Posts: 212 Location: Izmir Joined: August 6, 2002	"Goldmund Eidos 18D Multichannel SACD/DVD-A player is now available in the U.S. market at a suggested list price of $8,900" It was a Pioneer DV-300 with a few dollars worth of mods and of course put in a fancy metal chassis.

Audioholics is my new hero., posted on April 21, 2016 at 19:53:36
MannyE Audiophile Posts: 2088 Location: Miami Beach Joined: March 4, 2001	I wish I had read this 5 years ago. I love it that they called out Lexicon on this scam. And glad I never spent any long green on those products. And sadder than ever that B&K is gone.

RE: Goldmund Reference Turntable, posted on April 21, 2016 at 20:31:55
hahax@verizon.net Audiophile Posts: 4309 Location: New Jersey Joined: March 22, 2006	I once was taken to see a set of Wilson Wamms in a living room that the man's wife had bought him for a birthday present. The turntable in the room was a Goldmund.

RE: Maybe you mean Lexicon?..., posted on April 22, 2016 at 08:29:12
SpotcheckBilly12345	..... Lexicon too, but in this instance I mean Goldmund!

RE: No (nt), posted on April 22, 2016 at 08:30:54
SpotcheckBilly12345	Yes!

It was Lexicon so No!, posted on April 22, 2016 at 08:38:10
volunteer Audiophile Posts: 5666 Location: Louisville, KY Joined: January 7, 2012	:-) -Wendell

RE: It was Lexicon so No!, posted on April 22, 2016 at 08:42:17
SpotcheckBilly12345	No one is as blind as he who refuses to see ;-) It was both!

Oh..., posted on April 22, 2016 at 09:49:07
volunteer Audiophile Posts: 5666 Location: Louisville, KY Joined: January 7, 2012	:-) -Wendell

Thorens had a crazy one also!, posted on April 23, 2016 at 14:08:45
Cougar Audiophile Posts: 4589 Location: SoCal Joined: June 25, 2001	I saw this at Jeff's Sound Values and it was crazy looking table. Looked like it weighed over 100lbs. I never got to hear it but Jeff said it sound good but not jaw dropping good.

SHAME on them! Just for that I refuse to buy their Reference TT...N/T, posted on April 23, 2016 at 18:08:29
musetap Audiophile Posts: 31879 Location: San Francisco Joined: July 8, 2003 Contributor Since: January 28, 2004	aa "Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure

RE: Would love to do a side by side comparison with a Walker, posted on April 24, 2016 at 01:59:14

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Can't comment on the Walker, but I had a chance to audition the Goldmund back then at a high-end shop in Munich and was rather underwhelmed, as it didn't really sound much better to me than the TD160Super plus Grace G707 plus Yamaha MC505 combo I had at that time. What really cracked me up, though, was when the sales guy told me, that their exemplar would have a tendency not to properly start up, when the weather outside was moist - and I thought: "Just like a Ferrari..." ;)

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini

RE: Would love to do a side by side comparison with a Walker, posted on April 24, 2016 at 05:06:54

neobop
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It was really the Thorens Reference which started it all. The Goldmund Reference was their answer for the ultimate table.
Any table can be set up improperly, and the linear arm was more likely than not, misaligned. The table itself is a great platform with a 35 lb. belt driven platter with excellent speed stability. That's the key to the table's greatness. It didn't sound thick or ponderous (lacking PRaT) like many other heavy plattered belt drives.

My business partner in the '80s had one. He devised a set up jig for the arm which helped, but ultimately it was the arm that was the limiting factor. Still, properly set up, it was pretty damn good. I don't think there was anything out there in '80 which could beat it. Might be an interesting comparison with a Walker if they both had the same arm.

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http://www.theanalogdept.com/reference.htm

RE: Goldmund Reference Turntable, posted on April 25, 2016 at 08:26:57

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Yes, Goldmund did that; however, the Reference TT is really a magnificent beast! I have seen one in a shop in Germany and I definitely think it can still hold it's own in the no-holds-barred arena today. Maybe it was not ever the top of the top but it is definitely a good'un.

The much simpler, and more affordable, Goldmund Studio direct drive TT (the Ref is a belt drive) was also extremely capable.

These products were cutting edge in their time and still very good today...a bit like the top Japanese direct drives from the 70s and 80s.

With All Of The High Quality Gear That's............, posted on April 26, 2016 at 10:36:06
SpotcheckBilly12345	.......available why patronize any company that is capable of Goldmund's despicable and deceptive practices?

RE: Thorens had a crazy one also!, posted on April 27, 2016 at 18:56:09
puroagave Audiophile Posts: 7 Location: So. Cal Joined: April 7, 2012	Jeff's sound values... what year was that? He's been outta business close to 20 years.

RE: Goldmund Reference Turntable, posted on April 27, 2016 at 18:58:48
puroagave Audiophile Posts: 7 Location: So. Cal Joined: April 7, 2012	according to the CPI calculator, $10,000 had the same buying power 1980 as $28,000 does in 2016.

Jeff's place has been out of business for...., posted on April 27, 2016 at 21:31:28
Cougar Audiophile Posts: 4589 Location: SoCal Joined: June 25, 2001	little over 10 years now.

RE: Goldmund Reference Turntable, posted on April 29, 2016 at 10:54:02
PMC0607 Audiophile Posts: 168 Location: Austin, TX. Joined: January 1, 2014	28K today can buy a lot turntable that's for sure. Maybe a Kuzma or any of the German kind

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