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WTF ???

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Posted on December 12, 2014 at 11:47:02
reelsmith.
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 WTF = Which Turntable Friday ?

Premise: Some moron has offered you your choice of the tables pictured below for free. Free is a good price, so take one.

VYGER Baltic M



Rega RP-10



I put this WTF together on my lunch hour and did not have time to do any research beyond pricing and a quick read of reviews. The VYGER is $7,800 (with the SME 312 arm) and the Rega is $6,500. So, they are fairly close in cost. My guess is most folks who could afford to throw $6,500 at spinning records could just as easily toss $7,800.

As for reviews, they were glowing.

I'm going to base my decision on the most superficial of reasons, styling. Normally I prefer tables that look fairly traditional and have a dust cover, but in this case the styling of the VYGER appeals to me more. The Rega is perhaps a bit too understated. It looks like a glossy Project table.

After I add a finger lift to the VYGER I’m sure we’ll get along just fine.

So, which would you choose and for what reason?

Have a great weekend everyone.

Dean.



reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.


 

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RE: WTF ???, posted on December 12, 2014 at 12:19:14
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 I know nothing about either one of these, but Rega turntables have never interested me. Therefore, my choice is the VYGER Baltic M because it looks like a substantial turntable and it has my favorite brand of tonearm, which appears to be the SME 312.

Best regards,
John Elison


 

Record clamp is a must, posted on December 12, 2014 at 12:42:05
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 So the VYGER for me.

 

RE: WTF ???, posted on December 12, 2014 at 12:43:05
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 RP 10, because I would have the option of lifting off the outer plinth to make it resemble the Vyger.

 

RE: WTF ???, posted on December 12, 2014 at 12:45:07
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 I cannot wait to build mine custom. Slate plinth. Polished aluminum everywhere. Badass Teac hysteresis motor. Costs will be the Arm and the VFD for the motor and the slate. Labor is love but it takes a lot. I can see them jacking up the prices. It is hard to make sonething that is that nice and functional.

I kinda like the Vyger. They are both beautiful.

Have a great weekend

 

RP10...Can't deal with a puck/clamp.(nt), posted on December 12, 2014 at 12:59:37
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Me neither ..., posted on December 12, 2014 at 13:15:12
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 I just assumed I could use the table without it.

Dean.




reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.


 

RE: WTF ???, posted on December 12, 2014 at 13:38:28
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 What's the Rega platter made from.It looks like teflon.If so I would worry about soft material like that sagging over time.
I'll take the VYGER with SME arm.
enjoy,
mark

 

RE: WTF ???, posted on December 12, 2014 at 13:54:51
middleground
 P-10.

 

and probably sounds better too..., posted on December 12, 2014 at 14:12:50
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 A certain design requires one ( like Avid ) but wasn't sure in the case of Baltic since I am not familiar with it at all.

 

VYGER Baltic M, posted on December 12, 2014 at 14:27:46
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 I like SME arms....
Thank You!
Happy Listening

 

VYGER Baltic M, posted on December 12, 2014 at 14:49:40
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 I like the looks of the SME arm. I can have a plexiglass cover made for the Baltic M. And as you mention, a finger lift would be a good thing.

You have a good weekend too, Dean. My wife, grandaughter and I are driving up to Albuquerque tomorrow I have a ticket to see The Kingston Trio Sunday evening. I'm taking a turntable(Technics SL-Q3 with an Audio Technica AT95E cartridge) up to a young couple we know; gotta keep vinyl going. Gonna be a good weekend.
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RP10, bones only, posted on December 12, 2014 at 14:53:04
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 I agree with you about the shiny plinth and that's why I'd just take it off and go skeletal. RP10 for me.

Jim











"Lesser artists borrow, great artists steal." Igor Stravinsky

 

Baltic M, posted on December 12, 2014 at 15:02:59
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 I appreciate that many folks like/love Regas, but I'd like more flexibility with the tonearm and expect the SME offers that.

And I know this one is free but how many tables can Rega sell at $6,500?!? Am I wrong to still think of them as a good quality lower end system?

"The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing, if you can fake that you've got it made." Groucho

 

I assumed it's a ceramic platter. (nt), posted on December 12, 2014 at 15:06:23
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VYGER, posted on December 12, 2014 at 15:11:43
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 I think the RP10 is the better looking table by far, but would take the Vyger, solely based on the tonearm...

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Much better. Thanks for showing that. (nt), posted on December 12, 2014 at 15:30:24
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reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.


 

simply SME, posted on December 12, 2014 at 15:50:45
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 The SME arm wins me over.
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Foam core plinth..., posted on December 12, 2014 at 16:27:10
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 I wonder about how durable and stable it is in a non temperature/humidity controlled climate.

I haven't seen RP10 in flesh but if they used the same one as RP8/RP6, the unfinished edge does not look very good. ( altho, I'd rather have this than any *oil rigs* )

Rega's flagship Naiad, I see that, has a finished edge albeit at a cost. (It appears to be wrapped in carbon fibre )


Now, I will take the Naiad for free gladly! :D

 

Well... thanks for showing that too ! ..., posted on December 12, 2014 at 16:41:10
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 Now I am really happy with my choice this week.

Dean.




reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.


 

RP10, posted on December 12, 2014 at 17:01:19
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 I've no exp with Rega turntables. (although I do have one of their tonearms) However, based on the reputation of the brand, and also the stated design intent by Roy Gandy, I'd expect the RP10 to have a very detailed with quick transients thing going for it. It should be very pacey.

The Vyger may suffer my contempt simply because I've been witness to some Vyger stack-ups in years past.

Like this one:


I've always looked at this with a jaundiced eye. I'm guessing a less than educated approach from a machinist with too much time on his hands and with a proclivity toward flights of fantasy rather than solid design.

But now we have this new design from the same company:

It does seem more down to earth. And I do like the SME tonearm. But I suspect that the RP10 will have a better sense of pace. and this is all conjecture because I have no exp with either turntable.

Anyway, I'll be taking that RP10 home today.

thanks for the fantasy,

-Steve

 

In honor of one of those Star Trek movies...Vyger!, posted on December 12, 2014 at 17:05:41
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 I've not heard either of the tables. I do like the looks of the Vyger though. I think in the looks department, the Rega without the square outer plinth and with the skeletal portion exposed, would also cut a a fine profile.

 

I will pass this week, I do not like straight arms. )MT(, posted on December 12, 2014 at 17:58:16
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Later Gator,
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Just for you... and only for you..., posted on December 12, 2014 at 18:21:12
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 ...I will bend either tonearm into the shape of your choice.

Since this is all make believe I can do that. Want an S-shape SME? You got it. A J-shape Rega arm? You got it.

I aim to please. What's your pleasure ?

Dean.




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An S-shaped SME on the RP-10? )MT(, posted on December 12, 2014 at 19:14:47
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Later Gator,
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That's funny..., posted on December 12, 2014 at 20:54:19
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 we used to call women/girls that we deemed spacy (stupid) "vyger's".

 

That's right. It's ceramic. n/t, posted on December 13, 2014 at 01:15:04
PAR
 n/t

 

+1 for the RP-10. Would love to have one. /nt\, posted on December 13, 2014 at 04:42:55
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I'm a Rega man -RE: WTF ???, posted on December 13, 2014 at 07:54:14
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 RP-10


"Lost my shape - trying to act casual."

 

Thanks,, posted on December 13, 2014 at 08:07:55
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 I couldn't tell by the picture,and don't know that TT.
What properties are they looking for with the ceramic?
enjoy,
mark

 

RE: In honor of one of those Star Trek movies...Vyger!, posted on December 13, 2014 at 08:11:32
mark111
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 Maybe it'll merge with the rest of your system.
enjoy,
mark

 

Rega RP-10, because..., posted on December 13, 2014 at 09:39:20
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 Hi, Dean,
Tough choice. I'd love to try out that SME 312 tonearm but I don't like pucks and the styling is just a little too futuristic looking. (And yet I own a Gyro SE, which isn't exactly old-school. :-)

So I'd give that RP-10 a try, sans the optional pseudo-plinth. The new RB2000 tonearm looks like a great tonearm.

So when should I expect the moron to send me my RP-10?

Regards,
Tom

 

Vyger must find the creator. Are you the creator? nt, posted on December 13, 2014 at 16:07:05
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 nt

 

I'd have to go with the VYGER..., posted on December 13, 2014 at 17:20:56
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 With some of the stuff Roy Gandy has said over the years with regards to everything from record cleaning to anti-staking, I wouldn't trust his stuff!

Dman
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RE: I'd have to go with the VYGER..., posted on December 13, 2014 at 17:27:30
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 What did he say about record cleaning and antiskating?

 

It's because..., posted on December 13, 2014 at 19:34:05
PAR
 ...it's extremely stiff and heavy, can be machined accurately and is the closest to the ideal material for this. In use the platter creates a flywheel effect (they say).

 

Thanks again (nt), posted on December 14, 2014 at 09:55:17
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RE: I'd have to go with the VYGER..., posted on December 18, 2014 at 01:48:11
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 John,

first, that the stylus should be used to clean the record. That is to say keep the stylus itself clean and you will always have a clean record to boot.

second, that anti skate is often unnecessary. I have heard this directly from the mouths of others, including a consultant to Grado: "they don't like anti skating."

Both statements require additional context in order for them to have any real meaning outside of having been uttered. and, in the case of the latter, actually printed in owner's manuals of yore with respect to keeping records clean. I cannot quote it, but I have read it many times. I would presume that this was meant to be in reference, implied or otherwise, to keeping brand new records clean, as the used record store was relatively new outside of say large cities or college towns. Plus, I have no idea about their existence in Europe at the time (early 1980's, when a Linn was considered "it," at least by many).

While such a broad duo of statements raises far more questions than I can answer or care to here, it remains at least interesting considering the source. With respect to the Grado, I know is was with specific reference to a wood-bodied Sonata, although it may have been also in reference to another or even all modern Grado's. Who knows! To each his own, aka YMMV, and in this case I am all but certain yours does! Grins...

 

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