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What is happening to the Asylum?

68.33.3.16
Posted on August 20, 2014 at 09:26:46
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 It used be a reasonable place with civil discussions. Now it looks like a war zone invaded by religious zealots. people gouging each other out over minute crap, to what gain? Dude (or the occasional dudette) take your frustration to somewhere else, and see a professional, this is the asylum, for crying out loud:).

I used to like to ask questions here or provide some answers from my limited experiences. I guess that is a lost and distant past now. Real shame if you ask me.

dee
;-D

True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.

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Death to all fanatics, I always say! (nt), posted on August 20, 2014 at 09:31:52
Frank_Locke
 Lol

 

RE: What is happening to the Asylum?, posted on August 20, 2014 at 09:32:21
ejman
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 Good observation. I've been very tempted to delete the Audio Asylum bookmark since it seems just about any posting about anything quickly turns into a war zone. I hope that goes away because it used to be really useful and entertaining (in a good way)

 

RE: A Spheniscidae with no sense of Historia?, posted on August 20, 2014 at 09:53:31
amioutaline?
 It's been this way the 15 years I've been here.

There have always been attention hounds on General, true-believers on Tube DIY and general pains-in-the-ass, like myself, everywhere else.

Now and then a hot topic like format on PC Audio becomes an inflamed Hemorrhoid which is a good thing because heat produces light.

Relaxo!

 

The tragedy of the commons... (nt), posted on August 20, 2014 at 09:56:01
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 nt

Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival. W. Edwards Deming (1900 - 1993)

 

Yep. How quickly they forget. Bring back the IC rap :-) nt, posted on August 20, 2014 at 10:33:46
Rick W
 nt

 

Seems about as normal as any gathering of OCD sufferers., posted on August 20, 2014 at 10:34:13
Opus 33 1/3
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 There have always been a few tactless asswipes around. Probably always will be.





Opus 33 1/3

 

RE: What is happening to the Asylum?, posted on August 20, 2014 at 10:40:51
The Bored
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 >> it seems just about any posting about anything quickly turns into a war zone.

When this happens, we ask that you please use the comment feature so a moderator can look into the concern.

We can't read every post, so we can't address what we don't know about. Thanks!

Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum, et cetera, et cetera...
Memo bis punitor delicatum! It's all there, black and white,
clear as crystal! Blah, blah, and so on and so forth ...

 

RE: What is happening to the Asylum?, posted on August 20, 2014 at 10:41:23
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 When this happens, we ask that you please use the comment feature so a moderator can look into the concern.

We can't read every post, so we can't address what we don't know about. Thanks!

Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum, et cetera, et cetera...
Memo bis punitor delicatum! It's all there, black and white,
clear as crystal! Blah, blah, and so on and so forth ...

 

RE: What is happening to the Asylum?, posted on August 20, 2014 at 10:49:58
Goober58
 Not sure what Audio Asylum you've been reading but without a doubt it's much more civil around here than it used to be.

 

Thanks right back at you, posted on August 20, 2014 at 10:58:41
rbolaw
 In ten years, I've only contacted the moderators about one poster. Your response was prompt, intelligent and courteous.
Generally, if one is civil and polite, people are civil and polite in return. True, some express very negative opinions in harsh or rude terms. But so long as these are purely subjective opinions or matters of taste, I say, don't worry, be in disagreement, but be happy. Everything gonna be alright.

 

RE: What is happening to the Asylum?, posted on August 20, 2014 at 11:05:33
Lew
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 Funny you should post this here, since IMO the Vinyl Asylum is the most civil of all that I read regularly. Also IMO, sturm et drang occasionally shed light on a subject. It does not offend me, unless I am the one targeted, of course. The alternative is something like Tweaker's Asylum, where most posters seem to share the dreamy world of the tweakster, without much questioning the questionable "science" around some/many/most tweaks.

 

Whiner's Woad for you.. nt, posted on August 20, 2014 at 11:19:00
Nuit
 .

 

It's far better than other forums...., posted on August 20, 2014 at 11:49:37
StephenJK
 It truly is. I agree that on occassion it can get a bit feisty, but most people seem to calm down and are willing to move on. I suppose there's always exceptions.

I don't keep a mental list of names of participants that I prefer to ignore but you soon learn to recognize the usual suspects.

Don't let a few comments ruin things for you. I've left a couple of times but then came back. Other forums just don't seem to have the depth and breadth of what we're used to here.

 

+1. Trying to be as civil as I can be, dammit! nt, posted on August 20, 2014 at 11:53:41
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 nt
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Thankfully, the "exceptions" usually don't last too long. . .;8^) /nt\, posted on August 20, 2014 at 11:56:20
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RE: What is happening to the Asylum?, posted on August 20, 2014 at 12:11:03
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 I agree with you. I used to let it all hang out at the Water Cooler, but that was a totally different forum. And I do love to argue still, but I love to learn as least as much. I like this forum for the most part, but the treatment of manufacturers bothers the shit out of me. Sometimes it seems that little men with little lives use the manufacturers participation as an opportunity to right imagined inequities, or show up the manufacturer by posturing as engineers. Telling Peter Lederman that his carts make records sound like CD's, or the recent treatment of Harry Weisfeld...it's absurd. Their contributions are invaluable, and they should be respected and encouraged to participate here.

These men are the last of the mohicans. When they're gone, they're gone. Me? I'd love to be able to correspond with Paul W. Klipsch, Jon Dahlquist or Saul Marantz. So, when I see HW or PL's participation, I make the most of it.
"Hope is a good thing. Maybe, the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."

 

No, it's a serious question...., posted on August 20, 2014 at 12:56:03
StephenJK
 and deserves a response in kind.

 

RE: What is happening to the Asylum?, posted on August 20, 2014 at 13:21:37
Lakeshore Larry
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 I reported middleground to the moderator(s) for his post that sent HW packing, never to return.

I have yet to receive a response....

Don't get me wrong, I agree that this should be the way to handle rude or confrontational posters. I discussed this at length on another thread as an alternative to members taking VA policy into their own hands and creating a lot of the bickering that is becoming all too common. If someone has a problem with another poster, notify the moderators instead of antagonizing the offender and making things worse.

 

RE: What is happening to the Asylum?, posted on August 20, 2014 at 13:33:21
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 That sub-thread was closed. And, based on his behavior on several wards, he may be due for a long vacation soon.

Interestingly, in and of themselves, his comments are hardly delicate or welcome ... but some of the responses are almost worse. Our big issue is the frequency and just plain recalcitrant nature of his posts. It's starting to look like he's chasing after those of whom he does not approve.

Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum, et cetera, et cetera...
Memo bis punitor delicatum! It's all there, black and white,
clear as crystal! Blah, blah, and so on and so forth ...

 

" And I do love to argue still", posted on August 20, 2014 at 13:33:47
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 Really? :-)


-Wendell

 

Sure it is a complaint, posted on August 20, 2014 at 13:47:50
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 But not because i cannot stand the heat. But it gets real bad when people start hurling insults at one and other over a millimeter, or a crappy photo in a magazine, or run their mouth about things they never heard in a controlled environment.

You can look back at all my postings, i usually do not complain about things, but the latest stuff that is happening here is ridiculous. This place should be a place where one can come to ask a question without fear of being ridiculed, or offer honest advise when needed, not attacked. Sure if you (edit: or anybody else, not singling you out here) do not like my opinion you have two options. 1.) ignore it or 2.) start a civil discourse about it without calling me or anybody names. If i want to get into a fight i will go somewhere else, and pick a fight about something worth picking a fight about. It will not change a thing if you, or I do not like a particular manufacturer, or dealer or design, at the end I am the final decider in my audio world, and all this is just information, so why does it have to be offensive?

dee
;-D

True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.

quote by Kurt Vonnegut

 

Aw common, posted on August 20, 2014 at 13:51:37
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 I was here when Romy the Cat was around, and that was funny most of the time, but this is downright mean...

dee
;-D


True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.

quote by Kurt Vonnegut

 

RE: What is happening to the Asylum?, posted on August 20, 2014 at 14:21:27
Cuernavaca
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 I don't look at postings or post as much as I used to, too much nit picking and verbal warfare. Everybody has their opinion and that's all they are, opinions. I have better things to do than read back and forth negative verbiage.

It's a shame, really. A lot can be learned, but sifting through the crappola is not my idea of a good use of mine or anybody else's time.

TR


"I've never owned a firearm, but I do have an attack parrot!"

 

RE: " And I do love to argue still", posted on August 20, 2014 at 14:47:20
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"Hope is a good thing. Maybe, the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."

 

RE: What is happening to the Asylum?, posted on August 20, 2014 at 15:08:04
Crazy Dave
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 I had skipped that thread, because I don't pay attention much to new equipment. I went back and looked, and some posters were definitely out of line. This is all to common when manufactures or reviewers try to post on the asylum. At least people did call them out on it.

This situation is common all over the internet. The internet has brought a lot of good things but it is also brought us the "democratization of ideas". People think that there idea, no matter how uniformed,is equal to the ideas of experts in the field. It ain't necessarily so!


Dave

 

I remember when SACD and DVD-A had to be split, posted on August 20, 2014 at 16:01:52
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 but again that was different.

dee
;-D

True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.

quote by Kurt Vonnegut

 

They used to say in the military, posted on August 20, 2014 at 16:04:01
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 engage brain before opening mouth. That does not happen on the internet a lot of times.


dee
;-D

True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.

quote by Kurt Vonnegut

 

then just do it :), posted on August 20, 2014 at 16:11:47
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 God like powers also require God like responsibilities. Romy the Cat was ejected, even though he was informative at times :)...

dee
;-D

True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.

quote by Kurt Vonnegut

 

Apparently..., posted on August 20, 2014 at 16:31:30
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 ...you weren't here back in the Fear3000 days. Today is milk 'n cookies by comparison.

 

RE: What is happening to the Asylum?, posted on August 20, 2014 at 17:09:37
middleground
 I sent HW packing? There really is no hope for you. The man shot himself in the foot by not acknowledging poor service and blaming his dealers.

HW suffered a self-inflicted wound and acted like a prima donna.

There wasn't even any real heat and he got out of the kitchen.

I didn't even know prior to this shindig he posted on AA and, I repeat, I didn't even know the story about his wife and these memorial products and you take this moralistic attitude and can't even follow a sequence of events.

I stated an opinion and indicated that it was based on trying to see what all the fuss was about by looking at pictures of the tt that had never piqued my curiosity theretofore.

My comments to you are not insults BTW, merely factual observations.

Make of them what you want, but I don't think you are in any way equipped to ever change your attitude.




 

Ha!, posted on August 20, 2014 at 17:10:55
StephenJK
 What about that friggin' idiot Yech.

What a peach that guy was. I remember him posting pictures of his dog crapping in his yard, that being his opinion on the topic at hand.

 

RE: They used to say in the military, posted on August 20, 2014 at 17:46:14
Inmate51
 Hahaha! "Engage brain before opening mouth".

That's funny, because one of the first things the military does is to reduce your brain down to what they tell you to do. You are little more than a dog. Sit, stay, bark, stay, attack, sit. Good soldier.

And that's not funny, as many hundreds of thousands of military folks, and their families, know all too well.

 

Sorry..., posted on August 20, 2014 at 17:47:14
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 I recall seeing one Comment and figured one of the mods would deal with the issue. If more people would comment, it'd help bring thing higher on the radar.

Reading through the thread, it's apparent that one or two apples can spoil the barrel, we'll take care of those apples in the future. And please alert us as neither I or the mods see every post.

-Rod

 

Yeah i remember fear3000, posted on August 20, 2014 at 18:07:55
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 but you could not take him seriously, he was all over the place....the problem with the current lack of civility is that it is coming from all over the place, where you do not expect it from.

dee
;-D
True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.

quote by Kurt Vonnegut

 

Just keep posting, please. nt, posted on August 20, 2014 at 18:25:23
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"If people don't want to come, nothing will stop them" - Sol Hurok

 

RE: What is happening to the Asylum?, posted on August 20, 2014 at 18:34:26
Lakeshore Larry
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 Middleground-

Who are you trying to convince? Me, the other members or yourself?

If you're trying to convince me, you're wasting your time. I stand by my previous statements, the facts speak for themselves.

What does it take these days for someone to admit they were wrong. Apparently, you're the only one who feels you didn't do anything terrible. Just Pitiful.

 

And who could forget Romy...., posted on August 20, 2014 at 18:57:20
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 Kinda miss him.


First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

you know he knew some stuff :), posted on August 20, 2014 at 19:03:20
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 just was a really shitty communicator.

dee
;-D

True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.

quote by Kurt Vonnegut

 

RE: then just do it :), posted on August 20, 2014 at 21:13:26
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 Thanks for the nudge, but we are not Gods.

Romy, OTOH, was the most foul-mouthed inmate to ever cross our doorstep.

Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum, et cetera, et cetera...
Memo bis punitor delicatum! It's all there, black and white,
clear as crystal! Blah, blah, and so on and so forth ...

 

Correction, posted on August 20, 2014 at 21:15:57
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 >>Romy, OTOH, was the most foul-mouthed inmate to ever cross our doorstep.

The second most.

Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum, et cetera, et cetera...
Memo bis punitor delicatum! It's all there, black and white,
clear as crystal! Blah, blah, and so on and so forth ...

 

RE: What is happening to the Asylum?, posted on August 21, 2014 at 06:59:55
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 It is difficult for some of us to retain objectivity and balance while dealing with emotional topics like moving coils vs. moving magnets.

 

RE: Aw common, posted on August 21, 2014 at 09:06:01
Goober58
 Back in those days I thought Romy was more civil than many of the uncivilized. Remember Neward & John E. - there's nobody like those guys around any more. And thank StevenJK above for bringing up that nightmare YECH.

 

I'm afraid to ask! (nt), posted on August 21, 2014 at 09:26:33
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As you should be., posted on August 21, 2014 at 09:34:35
The Bored
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 And we do not speak his name.

Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum, et cetera, et cetera...
Memo bis punitor delicatum! It's all there, black and white,
clear as crystal! Blah, blah, and so on and so forth ...

 

emotional?, posted on August 21, 2014 at 17:44:54
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 I think not :)...some are better than others, otherwise who gives a flying.....


dee
d-D

True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.

quote by Kurt Vonnegut

 

Yech, posted on August 21, 2014 at 17:46:12
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 he wa a hoot :)


dee
;-D

True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.

quote by Kurt Vonnegut

 

RE: As you should be., posted on August 22, 2014 at 08:55:49
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 that made me smile out loud :-)

 

RE: What is happening to the Asylum?, posted on August 22, 2014 at 14:24:17
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If you think this is bad, try talking politics on façade-book.

 

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