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Appreciate the Feedback Folks

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Posted on November 23, 2016 at 08:51:04
sony6060
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 I have not been around for a few years after being banned from Audiokarma for no reasons given. I believe taking many jobs from the established and I was a Johnny Come Lately. And, they lied about my work. I used to rebuild Fisher tube products.

Anyways, I have received quite a few thanks from my customers for the quality audio they been enjoying for a few years. They wondered where I went. I only been posting again for a week asking a few questions for my son.

 

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RE: Appreciate the Feedback Folks, posted on November 23, 2016 at 13:43:05
Chas
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 Funny, the same thing happened to me for no apparent reason on AK. I barely ever even posted.
No big loss IMHO.

 

RE: Appreciate the Feedback Folks, posted on November 23, 2016 at 13:50:18
sony6060
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 Yes, no big loss. Audiokarma is at least 15 years behind AA with regard to great audio info.

 

RE: Appreciate the Feedback Folks, posted on November 23, 2016 at 16:15:48
geoff
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 Listening at this moment to my Fisher 400, which performs beautifully, thanks to your touch.

 

RE: Appreciate the Feedback Folks, posted on November 23, 2016 at 17:55:43
Michael Samra
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 Jim
Join the long list of members being banned from AK,especially if your from Michigan.Don't take it personal as I made total of 30 posts in the 7 years I was a member.I think it has more to do with Audio Asylum being so much more successful and a higher class forum because when I went to the AK fest in 2007,I had on an Audio Asylum hat and Grumpy saw me on an elevator at the hotel where it was being staged and he made some asinine comment about it and about how AK was so much better in every way.I just said yea whatever. I've been banned as well since late 2015.

"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken

 

RE: Appreciate the Feedback Folks, posted on November 23, 2016 at 18:10:26
airtime
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 I'd ban ya too! You can't even use a ladder right!

Some groups are pretty good over at AK. The Marantz guys are always polite and try to be helpful just like over here. But yes there are one or two groups I've peeked at and it's a knife fight at times. I mean personal attacks at times.

 

RE: Appreciate the Feedback Folks, posted on November 23, 2016 at 18:18:15
sony6060
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 Grumpy owns AK. He is the person that banned me. I could care less. His business is located in Royal Oak. Grumpy thinks he is a real important person. He owns other sites.

To tell you how far Audiokarma is behind AA, in the Fisher Forum they never heard of a K40Y-9 coupling capacitor. The established rebuilders used Orange Drops and similar capacitors. They removed the ERO II original coupling capacitors and those Fishers sounded worst than stock. That is how bad their Fisher rebuilds sounded. And stock Fisher does not even sound as good as stock Scott tube receivers such as the 340B.

The head rebuilder/advisor there rebuilt power supplies with 27 volt AC ripple into the power tube section. Wow! Good tech, but no clue to what sounds good. In a matter of 60 days I was taking a lot of their business.

The head rebuilder also did not know what PSU2 power supply simulator was and then stated he did not believe it had any merit and likely was not accurate- go figure that!

 

RE: Appreciate the Feedback Folks, posted on November 23, 2016 at 21:16:51
Michael Samra
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 Look at all the advertisers he has lost.I can tell you more stuff but I won't do it on a forum.Anyway,this is unquestionably the best audio forum in world and you can tell by the stability of the moderators and the way everyone extends a hand to share knowledge.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken

 

RE: Appreciate the Feedback Folks, posted on November 23, 2016 at 21:17:55
Michael Samra
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 LOL
I went back to look to see if I had cracked the cement.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken

 

RE: Appreciate the Feadback Folks, posted on November 23, 2016 at 21:36:45
DannyR
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 I always thought of Audiokarma as more of a older vintage fan crowd and here as more progressive. There are pluses and minuses to both. People here seem to be more likely to fall for stuff like super high priced usb and power cables etc while there they are less likely give anything new a unbiased try. The thing that I like about Audiokarma is the board software though. Older threads seem to get active again regardless of when they get added to later while here they seem to die.

Interesting take on the Scott. I like my fisher 400 both stock and tweaked using Dave Gillespie's instructions more than a rebuilt 340 that I have. Not that the Scott isn't good also.

 

RE: Appreciate the Feedback Folks, posted on November 23, 2016 at 21:38:44
DannyR
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 Is it me or is there less action both places then there was a decade ago? Maybe less overall interest in hifi/stereo stuff?

 

RE: Appreciate the Feadback Folks, posted on November 24, 2016 at 04:37:39
sony6060
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 Stock form I like the smoothness of the Scott. Rebuilt, I take the Fisher by a long shot. A stock Fisher compared to my rebuild is night & day difference. It requires the right coupling caps & tubes. Most rebuilders do not replace the two ceramic capacitors in the audio section. Ceramic are awful audio performers. Also most do not rebuild the phono section. Without the right capacitors and tubes, the Fisher is far from a peak performer.
I have not found a rebuilder to perform the K40Y-9 capacitor replacements and best performing tubes with one exception. I will not mention names, but a well known & respected rebuilder uses substandard capacitors. a lousy power supply design & pays no attention to tubes. What more can I say.

On the other hand, AA contributor Michael Samra does use K40Y-9 and swaps tubes.

 

Far less (action) -- but I don't think it's lack of interest --, posted on November 24, 2016 at 05:53:26
mhardy6647
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 my understanding is that the hifi discussion has largely moved to social media (FB and the like).

I don't "do" FB, so I cannot vouch for that, but that is what I have read.


all the best,
mrh

 

RE: Appreciate the Feedback Folks, posted on November 24, 2016 at 06:03:22
airtime
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 Na just a big ass imprint.

 

RE: Far less (action) -- but I don't think it's lack of interest --, posted on November 24, 2016 at 06:20:21
geoff
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 I don't even know what facebook looks like

 

RE: Far less (action) -- but I don't think it's lack of interest --, posted on November 24, 2016 at 07:15:32
sony6060
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 Your right. Post has taken a turn. Simply, thanks for the feedback.

 

RE: Far less (action) -- but I don't think it's lack of interest --, posted on November 24, 2016 at 07:28:42
airtime
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 Some of it has to do with posters aging out. Some of it has to do with the lack of affordable used gear available like in the EARLY days of ebay.

Some of it has to do with frustration of the endless audio trendmill that has become far too expensive to play on.

Now I see a lot of people either dabbling in very low end stuff or ultra high end stuff. Or just dabbling with the stuff they were smart enough to hold onto, unlike MYSELF!!!

 

It seems that each forum has a personality, posted on November 24, 2016 at 07:55:13
Ross
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 AK feels like a bunch of exjocks and band groupies trying to top each other with stories and "scores". Regular participants are among the first to ridicule and among the last to offer helpful advice.

AG seems almost schizophrenic; on one hand a bunch of neurotics who want constant validation of their choices, and on the other a bunch of sharks circling each other for first dibs on a fresh meal.

SH feels like fiefdom where everyone has to tread lightly for fear of angering the local prince.

There there is AA; where all the misfits who don't fit anywhere else gather to discuss audio.

Just my opinion.....

Best, Ross

 

RE: It seems that each forum has a personality, posted on November 24, 2016 at 08:22:24
sony6060
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 My opinion is AA participants are serious audiophiles and have a lot of experience experimenting for best sound. As mentioned the K40Y-9 capacitor is the best bang for the buck and plays seriously with much more expensive capacitors. The K40Y-9 was mentioned by Michael Samara at least 15 years ago, but unheard of two years ago at Audiokarma Fisher forum. To me that is mind blowing. (sorry to post again, but.......)

 

Mikey, see my car show posts at Central, posted on November 24, 2016 at 13:30:38
Timbo in Oz
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 Might cheer you up a bit, despite the pain, eh?


Warmest

Tim Bailey

Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger


 

RE: Far less (action) -- but I don't think it's lack of interest --, posted on November 24, 2016 at 17:51:31
DannyR
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 That sucks. I have no interest in any social networking. I'm too old and ugly to have much use for it. haha.

 

RE: Mikey, see my car show posts at Central, posted on November 24, 2016 at 19:25:08
Michael Samra
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 The EL Camino? Yes I did. What a sweet ride.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken

 

RE: Far less (action) -- but I don't think it's lack of interest --, posted on November 25, 2016 at 03:17:47
vinnie2
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 You missed the most rewarding option of all, DIY from scratch. I started 15 years ago when prices of vintage gear drove me away. Have not been sorry since. LOTS of great designs available on line and lots of freindly help available at tubes diy.

 

I would really like to do that but, posted on November 25, 2016 at 05:49:42
airtime
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 My DIY days are over my friend. I broke my neck in 2005 and ever since I've had increasingly more pain bending my neck. Especially down.

Between this and a few other things slowly all my avenues of pleasure are being closed down.

ENJOY it while you can.
happy holidays
charles

 

RE: It seems that each forum has a personality, posted on November 25, 2016 at 07:41:30
FlaCharlie
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 AG? SH? I'm not familiar with those.

Not sure about other forums, or even all the boards on AA, but traffic here has dropped off seriously over the years.

 

RE: Far less (action) -- but I don't think it's lack of interest --, posted on November 25, 2016 at 11:22:59
Bold Eagle
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 Tis' true! DIY is some of the most fun. Years ago, I was in charge of the engineering labs where I worked, so I had access to the instruments and tools, and reserved a bench for my own use. I also had a place to work in my basement and borrowed instruments from work. I did some scratch building, but to my own designs. I did a successful mono tube amp, and a successful solid state amp. Mostly to prove to myself I could.

I was a lot younger back then. Today I'm 78 and live in a condo; so I really don't have a good place to work, although I do have my own instruments - used mostly for tests and service work. Mainly, I've kind of lost interest in DIY, but there are still some good deals to be had on good used gear.

Jerry

 

RE: It seems that each forum has a personality, posted on November 25, 2016 at 14:47:06
Uncle Mike
 I would like to add to that if you will.
I came here a long time ago because of the wars going on at rec.tubes.audio. As I was, and still am a novice it was hard to take the battles, rants and undermining going on with the nasty elite on that blog.
Back in the day the Tube Asylum was just that, guys like me finding old tube gear and bringing it back or learning how to improve circuits and experiment a bit to learn. Dynaco gear ruled then. Present day.... the Tube Asylum is about identifying which tube the dealer stiffed a buyer on.
Tube DIY, which took the place then evolved into it's own has calmed down for now with some good interchange, a few guys building and exploring and few others willing to guide them. I see a few names from rec.tubes pop up now and again just to be their miserable selves, right Douglas?
I tried AK for awhile and their Tube Forum was comprised of crotchety old men stuck on 40's technology, nihilists to say the least. The SS, turntable and Klipsch forums seemed completely different. I quit dropping in when they shouted down Jim McShane, ranting that Jim didn't know anything.
DIY Audio is generally more than I can stay with. Some really good projects like the one Twystd turned us on to at Vinyl a few weeks ago come out of there however.
To the point Audio Asylum seems to be what is left of the middle ground.
FlaCharlie's statement about the traffic is so true as well. Maybe we are all just getting old and deluding ourselves?

 

RE: Far less (action) -- but I don't think it's lack of interest --, posted on November 26, 2016 at 02:35:08
vinnie2
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 My wife and I lived in small apartments for quite a few years when we first moved to this area and were looking for a home that suited our needs, but I always managed to keep a bread boarding set up in a corner of some room. Sometimes it was only a single channel I did, but I tried literally dozens of designs. It was and still is great fun. I am lucky if I find one piece of vintage gear a year anymore. Everyone has a computer and most of it ends up on Ebay.

 

RE: I would really like to do that but, posted on November 26, 2016 at 02:36:19
vinnie2
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 My back gives me lots of trouble these days, so I know what you mean. We do what we can.

 

SH is Steve Hoffman's forum -- AG? No idea (nt) , posted on November 26, 2016 at 18:45:33
mhardy6647
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 nt
all the best,
mrh

 

AG? Probably AudioGon. )MT(, posted on November 26, 2016 at 19:15:40
J. S. Bach
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Later Gator,
Dave
Find more about Weather in Chester, SC

 

RE: Appreciate the Feedback Folks, posted on November 26, 2016 at 23:25:23
MannyE
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 I visit all of them and they all have good and bad things. This place used to be hostile (or at least seemed that way) but lately that's been either actively curtailed or the trolls have been starved to death (maybe a little of both).

Regardless of how it happened, the hostility on all sites has generally toned down quite a bit. It's been replaced by many more instances of genuine help and good information.

So good all around from my perspective.

 

RE: Appreciate the Feedback Folks, posted on November 27, 2016 at 06:58:18
airtime
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 You know you are right. I do remember a period where there were a number of trollers always spitting a little anger at every chance.

there are some board that start digging up your old posts and use them against you. What, now I need legal representation?

Will the court please read post 1,478 of the deposition!

 

RE: Appreciate the Feedback Folks, posted on November 27, 2016 at 08:15:50
MannyE
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 At first, I was just as guilty of feeding the trolls as anyone else, but I chalk that up to being a forum noob in every sense of the word. Even though I have been online since the old days, something about the new forum formats (not this one.. the vbulletin ones) that started in 1999-2000 brought out the popularity of "trolling" which wasn't really in popular usage until then.

I don't remember seeing so much vitriol on the old usenet bbs bulletin boards but maybe that's because I was 14 and more interested in playing D&D or wanking (yay! Porn!) than anything else.

But now things have matured a little and so have most of us.

 

Regarding AK, posted on November 27, 2016 at 10:20:07
E-Stat
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 The proper term there is "scroes". :)

 

I'm so out of touch ..., posted on November 28, 2016 at 16:09:30
reelsmith.
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 I have little to no experience with other audio forums.

I like it here. No need to go elsewhere.

I'm a misfit among misfits.

Dean.






reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.


 

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