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B&O Hojttler Type S Speakers - great find or dud?

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Posted on September 24, 2016 at 12:19:39
makscopes
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 I just found a pair of B&O Hojttaler Type S speakers in pretty good condition. They arenam2 way with what looks like an 8" woofer. Was this a find, or should I have passed?

Any thoughts?

Milton

 

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RE: B&O Hojttler Type S Speakers - great find or dud?, posted on September 24, 2016 at 13:04:35
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RE: B&O Hojttler Type S Speakers - great find or dud?, posted on September 24, 2016 at 13:05:14
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RE: "Any thoughts?", posted on September 24, 2016 at 14:30:11
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 I have a thought, and I'm not trying to be mean, but I am trying to understand something.

If you've already bought the B&O speakers, why don't you hook them up, listen to them, and tell us if they're a find or not?

If you were trying to decide whether or not to buy them, then maybe someone who's heard them could be of help. But since you apparently already have them, then yours is the only opinion that matters.

 

RE: "Any thoughts?", posted on September 24, 2016 at 14:56:22
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 I would just like to know if they are indeed rare. They need work, but sound great. I think i have a valid question with this. Radio Shack Nova 7Bs sound great, but have no value. I don't know much about this vintage speaker, but would like to know more. Isn't that what this forum us for?

 

RE: B&O Hojttler Type S Speakers - great find or dud?, posted on September 24, 2016 at 15:20:34
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 Hi Makescopes, I've never seen them before and I've saved every Hi-fi mag since 1974 and always check the speakers. The cabinets look beautiful and as a plus made in Denmark. I think thats the big find part. My freind had a beautiful B+O turntable he wanted to get going again but it will only take a B+O cartridge which is not made anymore. What would really make that speaker more valuable if B+O used neighboring Scanspeak or Seas drivers. Then you might have a shot at driver replacement if ever needed. I say Great Find!.....Mark Korda

 

RE: B&O Hojttler Type S Speakers - great find or dud?, posted on September 24, 2016 at 15:21:37
Crazy Dave
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 Hi Milton,

If you bought them for yourself to listen to driven with tube gear. I think you'll find that you did well, assuming that you have the original drivers. As you can see from the link below, a lot of older speakers like this (early 60's) have had the woofers blown because people would drive them with later transistor amps that were too powerful for them. You should unscrew the backs and see what you have.

If you don't have tube gear, look up Bold Eagle's resistor trick.

If you don't have the original drivers and they sound good, listen and enjoy. If they don't sound that good, you can probably adapt a car 6x9. Even if the woofers are not original, the cabinets are very nice. This would be a good project box. Original tweeter are supposed to be good for the era.

If you bought them to resell, you are probably SOL. Speakers from this era are not in demand unless they are particularly noteworthy. Rare is only valuable if something is sought after. There might be some interest if you are willing to sell in Japan.

Good luck!

Dave

 

Of course that's what this forum is for, posted on September 24, 2016 at 15:21:56
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 But you didn't mention that you were looking for anything more than "great find or dud?", and to me, that means sound quality.

I'm glad you think they sound great (which to me means they were a great find), and hopefully someone can answer your question regarding rarity, now that you've posed it.

 

RE: B&O Hojttler Type S Speakers - great find or dud?, posted on September 24, 2016 at 15:27:17
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 Hi Mark,

B&O cartridges are still being manufactured by Soundsmith. They are not cheap because of inflation and Soundsmith is not a high volume operation.

 

RE: B&O Hojttler Type S Speakers - great find or dud?, posted on September 24, 2016 at 15:48:31
mark.korda@myfairpoint.net
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 Hi Crazy Dave, I didn't mention we did find the site you mentioned but when my friend saw the price of a new cartridge which I can't remember right now, project B&O turntable fixup went belly up. Thanks for the info though Crazy...always appreciated.....thanks Mark K.

 

RE: B&O Hojttler Type S Speakers - great find or dud?, posted on September 24, 2016 at 15:54:56
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I think they are original drivers. They are all alnico and fit perfectly. The woofers surrounds have deteriorated, so i hope that a traditional foam surround will fix them. See the picture.

 

RE: B&O Hojttler Type S Speakers - great find or dud?, posted on September 24, 2016 at 15:57:54
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 Currently, I am running them on an HK a401 (18 wpc) which is probably too much for them. Any ideas on a good small tube amp that will work?

 

RE: B&O Hojttler Type S Speakers - great find or dud?, posted on September 24, 2016 at 16:03:39
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Other side of woofer

 

RE: B&O Hojttler Type S Speakers - great find or dud?, posted on September 24, 2016 at 19:47:49
mark.korda@myfairpoint.net
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 Hi Makescopes, after seeing those pictures you should talk to 1973 and ask him if you could borrow his shovel. Then bury them. Spend your time on the amp......Mark K.

 

RE: "Any thoughts?", posted on September 25, 2016 at 08:01:41
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 Not to pick a fight or anything like that but I wonder how a speaker with rotted foam surrounds can be said to "sound great"?

 

RE: "Any thoughts?", posted on September 25, 2016 at 10:19:41
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 One speaker is fine, the other is not. Please no more troll comments. It contributes nothing.

 

RE: "Any thoughts?", posted on September 26, 2016 at 07:34:52
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 makscopes,

I asked my question because of the wording of your post, and I quote -

"I think that THEY are original drivers. THEY are all alnico and fit perfectly. The WOOFERS SURROUNDS have deteriorated, so i hope that a traditional foam surround will fix THEM. See the picture".

By your pluralizing "WOOFERS SURROUNDS", "THEY" (twice), and "THEM" you certainly led me to believe that the woofers in both speakers were defective, hence my comment.

I prefaced my question by stating that I didn't want to start anything negative and I meant it, but because of either your lack of comprehension of the English language or just pure dishonesty I no longer feel that way.

You label me a troll? I call you illiterate and/or a bullshit artist.

Have a shitty day,
SB

 

RE: B&O Hojttler Type S Speakers - great find or dud?, posted on September 26, 2016 at 09:02:40
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 Just about any good tube amp will do. You could also try Bold Eagle's resistor trick on the HK and it should work very well. Just don't put the receiver into hard clipping or you will blow the tweeters.

Dave

 

RE: B&O Hojttler Type S Speakers - great find or dud?, posted on September 26, 2016 at 09:08:12
Crazy Dave
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 New foam from PartsExpress or other suppliers should do the trick. The driver is a bit ugly, but as long as it still has structure, it should work fine. I would also update the capacitor crossover (unless that is an oil cap. It looks like an electrolytic. Have fun!

Dave

 

RE: B&O Hojttler Type S Speakers - great find or dud?, posted on September 26, 2016 at 09:13:27
Crazy Dave
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 I also have a B&) table gathering dust. They are expensive, but do sound and look good. Someday ...

Dave

 

RE: B&O Hojttler Type S Speakers - great find or dud?, posted on September 28, 2016 at 09:42:28
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 Nice looking cabinets. It's probably worth your time to fix the woofer surrounds and replace that electrolytic cap with a new electrolytic. I would not replace it with a film cap as it will change the voicing and will probably make the treble too bright. However, bypassing the new electrolytic with a small (0.1 or 0.068 uF)film cap may smooth the sound a bit.

My "trick" that was referred to is to add a series resistor to the speaker to emulate the higher source impedance of tube amps if you are going to use a solid state amp. Try resistors in the 0.5 to 1 ohm range.

Jerry

 

RE: B&O Hojttler Type S Speakers - great find or dud?, posted on September 28, 2016 at 13:36:54
makscopes
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 Hi Jerry,

Haha, yes I did that and noticed the brightness right away. I have some electrolytic caps that I will try.

If I do your resistor trick with my ss amp, do you see any benefit to getting tubes for it?

I am using a HK a401. Nice warm sounding unit.

Milton

 

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