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Posted on November 24, 2014 at 13:29:33
Brian McGowan
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Just for fun I decided to put a small stereo system in our front room for the holidays!I started out by using my Superscope A 235 Amp along with the matching Analog Superscope T 210 wide band AM/FM Tuner. I also decided to hook up a CD player,Tape Deck & Turntable as well!The CD player is a Magnavox CDB 492.The Tape Deck is a Harmon Kardon CD391.The Turntable is a Sony PS-LX 250H. For Speakers I am using Minimus 7's the original versions from 1978!For cables I used original Superscope cables that were colored gray for the Tuner.For the CD Player I used the Original black cables that I was told came with the Magnavox!For the cassette I used 2 cables that looked just like the ones I was using on the Magnavox!The Turntable had there own cables!
For Speaker wire I used 14 Gauge solid copper wire shielded with red rubber coating on one & black on the other!Great little set up for the Holidays & actually sounds rather good for only being 7.5 watts IHF per Channel! I have not really pushed it much passed 1/2 on the volume as I have had no need too & the amp does not seem to be over worked,nor do the speakers sound like that want more even though they can handle way more then the Superscope can give!Over all I am impressed at how good everything mated so well!Now I need to get one of my Superscope Cassette decks up & running again along with hooking up my Superscope TD 28 8 track deck,that was working just fine the last time I used it! I thought that's what this hobby was all about?Having fun while listening to music! Anyone else lately just put a bunch of stuff together for the fun of it & hoped it would workout ok?

 

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Sounds Fun, posted on November 24, 2014 at 14:40:54
I love when those patched together experiments turn out way better than expected. Sometimes everything just works well together. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts - Aristotle.








 

mono, posted on November 24, 2014 at 15:10:47
ringwear
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just to see. i was running a Denon DL-102 thru a stereo amp to two speakers and wanted to see what mono thru one speaker was.

took my Jolida jd-9 and plugged it into a passive preamp then into the cj sonographe 250. i wired the amp verticaly, left channel going to bass and right going to mids/top on my one Paradigm Signature v100. turns out you still need to position that speaker so it throws out from a good vantage point, so a corner is best.

result? muscular with a higher sense of reality, especially female singers. i tend to not pay attention to balance, haha, and there is less of a critical nature to the enjoyment. also freedom to move around outside the sweetspot. while the sound is narrower it is much bolder and somehow larger in it's own way.

Worth doing. i'm keeping that one table setup that way. still have another on stereo. life is good.

 

RE: Sounds Fun, posted on November 24, 2014 at 15:10:59
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I just pulled my Audionics BT2 and Adcom 353 for this little Kenwood receiver. I'm using ADS 300 speakers. I don't think it sounds better but still nice for my computer rig.


looking for some jazz and a little libations - js

 

RE: mono, posted on November 24, 2014 at 15:49:47
Brian McGowan
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COOL! I have a vintage full range speaker made by RCA in the 50's that I need to have a cabinet built for,that I wanna make into a Mono system! I just may have to start work on that this winter sometime!

 

RE: Sounds Fun, posted on November 24, 2014 at 16:01:02
Brian McGowan
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So do I!The Superscope has not been used much these last couple of years!Finding the Minimus 7's only encouraged me more to hook up the Superscope Amp & Tuner again!Would like to find the A 245 Amp from the same year as well which has more features & power!My A 235 was from 1974!

 

Sweet..., posted on November 24, 2014 at 20:07:22
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..I have a Superscope A245 integrated amp with a matching Superscope AM/FM tuner and a pair of Radio Shack small speakers (don't remember the model number).
I loaned to an audio buddy of mine for use at his small business. I also loaned him a Technics SL-DL5 turntable. It's one of their linear tracking TT's with the tonearm integrated into the dustcover. Not the best of designs, but it sounds pretty decent nonetheless.
I got the amp and tuner at a yardsale 10-15 years ago for either five or rten bucks for the two of them. I got the speakers at a yardsale for eight bucks.
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RE: Sweet..., posted on November 24, 2014 at 20:37:54
Brian McGowan
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Glad someone else here put together a Superscope system!Beside the fact that the A 245 has more power & a few extra features,I wonder how much better it would be sound wise compared to my A 235?

 

Here's a Picture., posted on November 24, 2014 at 21:14:02
Brian McGowan
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Here's a picture from an EBAY Auction of the Superscope Tuner & Amp I have
hooked up right now! I just love how they look together!Sorry about how big the picture is,but it would not allow it any smaller! Mine are in just as good of shape if not better! I'll see about posting some pictures of my actual set up in the front room soon!The AM Wideband Tuner sounds really good on this compared to a lot of AM tuners & pulls in quite well even during the day!The FM also sounds good & pulls in fairly good too but needs a better FM antenna for any type of DXing! The FM did pull in slightly better @ the other place I use to live,but still not bad as I am getting stations up to 50 miles away without drift in stereo on the FM!

 

RE: Here's a Picture., posted on November 25, 2014 at 06:23:11
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I'm trying to remember the details of the story on the Superscope brand. IIRC Sony owned the Superscope brand and in the 1970s marketed products under the sony label, the Superscope label, and perhaps even Sony-Superscope. My recollection was that the Superscope branded stuiff was the less expensive, and designed to be a bit more mass market. But then somewhere I read that this was a marketing tool Sony used mainly in the US, and in the rest of the world there was less a clear distinction.

I'm not sure if Superscope at one point in time was a completely separate company that Sony bought, or whether it was strictly a scheme thought up by the product marketers. I guess I need to read this and I would get some of my questions answered.

http://www.superscopetechnologies.com/t-about.aspx

I need to do my Google searches before not after I start writing. But this kinda supports the theory on how Sony was using the Superscope brand in the US.

 

RE: Here's a Picture., posted on November 25, 2014 at 08:06:34
Brian McGowan
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Thanks! If you look at the knobs & buttons on both pieces ,they are 100 % Sony from the early 70's!Even the dial lights up green and looks again just like a Sony from the early 70's!So Sony definitely had it's hands all over these pieces!Not that is a bad thing!The Amp is very clean and clear sounding!No Hum or distortion here!Not Sterile sounding,but not overly Musical as well! I do not know of any other way to describe the sound through the 1978 versions of the Minimus 7's I am hearing!Someday I would like to have it recapped,but for now I am leaving well enough alone as it works so well!

 

RE: Superscope Sounds Fun, posted on November 25, 2014 at 08:26:19
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In a Vintage Asylum discussion on Superscope receivers, dated 1-12-04, moi lamented giving a Superscope receiver "... to that unappreciative grump up in Gridley". Actually gave him an R-1240 back in '90, with a pair of Criterion 77 speakers. We eventually made amends a few years back, as he suffered from diabetes. He passed away last year, & moi inherited 1240 receiver & 77 speakers. Cleaned tone, volume, & power controls, & 1240's Marantz harmonic heritage sings sweetly through Sansui SP-2500 speakers here in computer room. 77's Ratio Shaq replacement woofs had foam rotted, & were replaced with 8-ohm Jensen Mod 20s. Replaced x-over caps with similar-valued polyprops, & those little par-tay rockers still kick serious glutes. They're destined for the foothills, to be accompanied by Pioneer SA-610 amplification, for another two-plus decades of musical memories. 73s para Sactown.

 

RE: Superscope Sounds Fun, posted on November 25, 2014 at 10:01:11
Brian McGowan
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Thanks for sharing that as I also have posted about my Superscope back in 2006 as well!

 

I find those Superscope components perversely fascinating, posted on November 25, 2014 at 11:09:43
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Always sort of hoped to stumble upon one or a few.
Yours, of course, are Sonys -- I'd reckon the tuner to be pretty good.
Some of the Superscope receivers, though, were more or less identical to the lower-end Marantz receivers of their era (Superscope imported Sony -- or something like that -- and owned the Marantz name in those days). The Superscopes, however, had that charming magenta color on their blackout dial illumination :-)


all the best,
mrh

 

Sweet..., posted on November 25, 2014 at 14:02:29
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Hi Brian,

If you would like, I can get my A 245 back and loan that guy who has it another amp. I'm willing to send it to you and you can made a comparison. Shoot me an email: ericatflc@yahoo.com.
For perfect tone use Columbia Needles
For Best results use Victor Needles
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Bit of a Confusing Story, posted on November 25, 2014 at 17:04:27
Brian Levy
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Saul created and started Marantz, as we all know. To make a bad story short, he never was a great business person and one of his cost savings was never to hire a good cost accountant. The result was for a number of his products he put a fortune into R&D chewing up the capital realized from his way products and then as production and sales were insufficient to recover engineering costs plus in at least 1 instance even production costs he was quickly going broke. Enter the Tushinsky brothers owned a company named Superscope, more on that later, who came in as white knights lending Saul money secured by his shares in Marantz. Their interest at the time was reported to be for him to produce a theater amp that would break the WE/Altec duopoly in the movie theater industry. By '64 Saul had defaulted on the loan, never having figured out what a cost accountant was for and the Brothers took the company stock. Saul remained President but in Saul was shown the front door and his magical engineering team, at the time recognized as individuals and more importantly as a team the best from any company at the time and for years after walked the same day. Marantz starting in '64 was a subsidiary of Superscope.

Superscope was formed by the brothers who developed the Superscope lens. This was at a time when the movie industry was experimenting with and developing widescreen projection in the mid '50s. There were competitors such as Cimimascope, Vistavistion, Panavision and others. This was at a time when studios still controls movie theater chains but the era was ending. One advantage Superscope had was the format ratio was variable and hence could be used to show many of the other systems. You can read more at widescreenmuseum.com.

The brothers were flush with cash as a result of the invention. On a trip to Japan, they by chance happened to audition a tape recorder, the only product manufactured by a company called Sony. Recognizing the quality and price advantage over US systems such as Ampex, Wollensak, etc. They bought the exclusive USE distribution rights. This agreement became the basis for confusion and law suits in the future. The brothers imported the units in under mostly the Sony label but rebadged as Superscope at least some commercial units.

After Marantz, and while in Japan,.they also came across a floundering electronics manufacturer, Standard Radio of Japan and initially bought part interest and eventually as ownership controls were changed gained controlling interest. This set the stage for the future.

After getting good control, Sony first outsourced the model 19 to Standard Radio. They packaged the kits in the US, sent it overseas for assembly and then the completed unit was shipped back to the US. Nothing was compromised and because of added QC systems, these units were actually potentially better in consistent quality.

Sony during all this had expanded their product line to include products that directly competed with Marantz. Sony set up a separate distribution network in the US based on the agreement with the brothers ony covering the product then in their lineup, i.e. reel to reel recorders. The brothers alleged it covered all products regardless of type so, covered receivers, amps, tuners, speakers, etc. While the suits were going on and negotiations occurring, Sony kept out of the US market and one reason why product time lines are rather odd when it comes to Sony. Suddenly and surprisingly, Sony recorders became scarce as production was pushed to other markets. Sony had hoped to break the entire agreement and control all Sony distribution in the US. The final settlement favored Sony's original contention. Superscope could continue to import Sony tape equipment but not the other products. Sony was not happy, knowing Superscope could choke the tape recorder sales in the US. It is not known if it actually happened but Superscope did reduce the marketing budget and dealerships allowing TEAC to take the lead and opened a window for Akai and others to become a market factor.

Sony decided to try to compete with Marantz as its target competition. When it started bringing in product, it was constructed as well as McIntosh, much better than the Japanese Marantz products and at least as good and better than their US produced products, a shrinking line. These early Sonys today are recognized as very high quality and excellent sounding. Sony kept the pressure up for the 1st 4 generations before going more mainstream mid-fi. By that time Marantz had lost its reputation garnered under Saul's period.

The brothers needed to achieve a couple of goals. First was to keep Standard Radio profitable. It had acted as an outsource producer but this avenue was being choked off as companies were unwilling to add to their competitors profits and the Brothers needed to follow the market trends where there was a split of brand names to keep the mid-first and high end exclusive. Panasonic did it by creating Technics, TEAC created Tascam and even McIntosh tried it with the Stereotech line.

The brothers brought out the mass market Superscope line made by Standard Radio. The line was a mixture of some interest. Some were simply Standard Radio designed and produced pieces. Others were designed by Marantz while some even were under the hood very similar to Marantz products. When we saw.early prototypes, the high end tuner even had the Marantz thumbwheel. The Superscope tape products were contracted to Sony and were for the portable line, little more than rebadged Sonys. As part of the arrangement, we dealers were told there would not be any Superscope tape decks. So for the very few Superscope commercial decks originally sold by the company early on there were no Superscope reel to reel recorders.

As a product, Superscope does not get a lot of attention but back in their day they sold well if you could get past the odd lighting colors. It was an easier sale to the distance then the macho crowd. The voicing was decidedly based on Marantz. The Standard Radio designs were based off the 2x Marantz series that was not designed by Marantz. Marantz needed product rushed to market and Standard had the designs done so needed more to rebrand their product with faceplate, thumbwheel, etc.

Not many years after building their empire, their cash cow, Superscope fell out of favor with the movie companies, they had all but destroyed the reputation of Marantz that began to bleed red ink and Standard Radio could not make up for the losses.


Don Brian Levy, J.D.
Toronto ON Canada

 

To Clarify, posted on November 25, 2014 at 17:31:43
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If you read more than a few sites, it states the brothers bought the company from Saul and not what I stated above. This story started almost as soon as the brothers foreclosed. While in undergrad school in an accounting course, I dinners with Saul. At this time I explained the difference between a cost accountant and a cost control accountant. After dinner he dusted off some of the audited financial reports for his company. On the balance sheet, it showed 3rd party loans with footnotes stating the loan was to Superscope and secured by his stock ownership. The last statement he has had a clean letter but a going concern notice. This notice is a flag that the auditors believed the company could not stay in business in the forest seeable future. It appears, as in war, the victor can rewrite history.

Saul was not broke as the shares not securing the loan had to be purchased. The loan was nonrecourse, seemed the brothers planned for the take over but wanted to avoid litigation and Saul still had assets plus his wife was pretty well off. He did not completely retire but became a consultant or partnered with others on projects. When his covenant not to compete expired he came close to introducing a new preamp, power amp and, integrated but it was right at a time of a slight economic slump and financing could,do not secured.
Don Brian Levy, J.D.
Toronto ON Canada

 

god, that is hideous looking!, posted on November 25, 2014 at 18:49:16
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that has to be the cheapest-looking rig I have seen, I would have never bought one of those back in the day! Compare that to the Marantz 2235 series, what a fall from grace!

 

I actually had to buy it on looks alone..., posted on November 25, 2014 at 20:32:34
Brian McGowan
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as I had nothing to hook the Amp up to,to see if it worked or how it sounded! I loved the look so much and did not mind the sound that I just had to get the matching Tuner from EBAY! I also own 2 matching top loading Cassette decks,in need of repair,along with a matching 8 track deck that has to be one of the best sounding 8 track decks ever!The controls do not feel cheesy,but yes they do not feel like the controls on a Marantz either!I did not care for the looks when they switched to a Purple colored Dial,Power Lights,etc,along with the style of knobs they changed over too!Good thing we do not all like the same things or it sure would be a dull world!

 

RE: To Clarify, posted on November 25, 2014 at 20:42:24
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Thanks DON!!Have a happy Thanksgiving!

 

Thanks for the History Lesson Don!!, posted on November 25, 2014 at 20:44:35
Brian McGowan
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Thanks Don! I really enjoyed reading that!Hope you have a nice Thanksgiving!

 

RE: Thanks for the History Lesson Don!!, posted on November 26, 2014 at 08:34:56
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Hope you have one, also.
Don Brian Levy, J.D.
Toronto ON Canada

 

RE: god, that is hideous looking!, posted on November 26, 2014 at 09:07:43
Brian Levy
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Simple, clean, and, functional. Not gaudy. Everything that a simple as should have. Likewise, the tuners, though it gets a little complex due to the switchable afc so to speak.

Better looking than many other mass merchandise oriented product with better construction, specs and sound. The magenta was perverse and a turnoff bit walking into a room lit up with green and blue dial lights, the magenta lighted dials stood out immediately. A good marketing idea but, not good for closing sales.

Compared to most mass market stuff at the time, these looked like more upscale product but, they had to need careful not to rob low end Marantz sales where they made decent profits plus had the volume. A carefully balancing act. Sony had a similar balancing act with its 2 lines but, allowed the low end line to cut into the higher line low end sales. Difficult to sell a 25 watts Sony receiver for $299 when you could go down the street to a Joe's Hifi, Grass, and Smoke Shop and buy a physically smaller but, nice looking Sony receiver with 25 watts for $75 less. Yeah, did not look like the same but it looked quality and sounded the same.

The real joke was when you turned the Superscope around it many times was labeled Superscope by Marantz and the turn a Marantz around and see a label saying something like, Marantz, a Superscope Company or, similar.
Don Brian Levy, J.D.
Toronto ON Canada

 

RE: god, that is hideous looking!, posted on November 26, 2014 at 10:00:23
Brian McGowan
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Thanks for that Information! I also really do like the looks of mine!Not too busy looking & easier to operate them most like you said do to the way it was layed out!

 

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