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Is it really that GOOD or SPECIAL?

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Posted on July 15, 2014 at 17:45:21
Brian McGowan
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Now I am not jealous,but I am shocked @ how much this Turntable went for on Goodwill's Auction site! I'll bet if the person knew they could get that kind of money,they would have sold it themselves rather then have donated it!Does anyone here own or have owned this Turntable?Is it really that special?Was this there top model for that year?What year is it from anyway?

 

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RE: Is it really that GOOD or SPECIAL?, posted on July 15, 2014 at 18:26:47
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 Something is worth what ever someone is willing to pay for it.

 

RE: Is it really that GOOD or SPECIAL?, posted on July 15, 2014 at 19:03:56
Brian McGowan
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 I realize that!But in that price range it usually is reserved for something special!Just my take on things.

 

If some one is willing to pay that it must be "special" NT, posted on July 15, 2014 at 19:15:01
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What's so special about it is what I am asking!, posted on July 15, 2014 at 19:52:06
Brian McGowan
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 Whats so special about it is what I am asking!As I stated above for that kind of money there must be something really special about it!Is it the Tonearm?Maybe the Cartridge & Needle? Could it be the Platter?Rare Model,etc?There are lots of turntables that go for more then that,but rarely do I see a Pioneer go that high in price & this was Goodwill not Ebay as well!

 

RE: What's so special about it is what I am asking!, posted on July 15, 2014 at 21:50:22
belyin
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 I have never heard one, but it has a fine reputation. It was a near top-of-the-line deck from a major Japanese company at a time when vinyl ruled. That said, the price probably reflects a premium for the Pioneer name and for its wood veneer look. The price of all good Japanese DD tables have jumped up in the last few, but you could certainly find a comparable (or better) Sony or JVC for far less, even on eBay. Or for this price you should be able to find a near new Technics SL-1200.

 

RE: Is it really that GOOD or SPECIAL?, posted on July 16, 2014 at 03:04:46
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 I have a PL-530 which MAY be a slightly lower model in the same era. I use it often and like it a lot. It is fairly heavy, silent running, has pretty good torque, tracks well, and sounds good. It definitely looks better made than the typical lower-line Technics or Pioneer (which aren't all that bad in operation).

Would I pay $650 for it? Heck NO! I wouldn't pay that much for anything sight unseen that came from a thrift store, knowing that, no matter what they might say about condition, there would probably be something about it that needed improvement.

Even in their ad copy, they include the following disclaimer:
"All items are USED unless otherwise noted. All items are sold AS FOUND and AS IS. We describe our items to the best of our ability. HOWEVER, we are NOT experts in any field. ALL measurements for items are approximated."
That is enough to scare me off. Buy local or from a trusted seller.

 

RE: Is it really that GOOD or SPECIAL?, posted on July 16, 2014 at 03:56:18
Brian Levy
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 Seems the $200 range is about right for these in very good for excellent condition.

While not justifying the final price, a bidder may have assumed that with the felt mat whomever owned it was not Joe Average and presumably took good care of it. From the little on the Web, it appears totl and reliable. Vintage Noob has it on his Site with a decent description.
Don Brian Levy, J.D.
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RE: Is it really that GOOD or SPECIAL?, posted on July 16, 2014 at 04:24:46
DFaulds
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 Well, $200 may seem right but if you look on eBay they're regularly going for a lot more than that, and it looks like the lowest price in the Sold eBay listings is $270 with typical prices between $350-$550.

 

I owned one, posted on July 16, 2014 at 05:16:52
dee eye why
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 I bought one new in 1977/78. I paid just under $400 for it. It was the top of the line in the US. I believe there was a PL-590 available in Japan.
It is a very nice table. Full auto and built like a tank. I used it with a Stanton 881S and it was a breeze to use and would track anything.
I sold several years latter for $200 and replaced it with a Micro-Seiki.
They do go for $400-$500 now.
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Eh. This is the one I would look for., posted on July 16, 2014 at 07:06:03
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PLC-590

 

RE: I owned one, posted on July 16, 2014 at 07:19:18
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 Thanks for the information!I did not know it was that much new.

 

RE: Is it really that GOOD or SPECIAL?, posted on July 16, 2014 at 07:24:52
Brian McGowan
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 I have bought from Goodwill's Auction site many times with good results,but mostly music over electronics!I was just surprised that it was so highly regarded still that it sold for that kind of money!

 

RE: Is it really that GOOD or SPECIAL?, posted on July 16, 2014 at 07:29:49
Brian McGowan
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 I have always agreed with that! I just wanted to know why someone would pay that much for a Pioneer!

 

Very Interesting Pioneer indeed!NT., posted on July 16, 2014 at 07:31:16
Brian McGowan
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 NT.

 

RE: Is it really that GOOD or SPECIAL?, posted on July 16, 2014 at 09:07:32
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 I have seen one. That picture does not do it justice. The picture in the link is better. It is a good looking, well built deck. However, I don't think I would pay that kind of money for it. I don't think they are that rare and there is better to be had in that price range.

Dave

 

RE: Is it really that GOOD or SPECIAL?, posted on July 16, 2014 at 09:11:58
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 I know that sometimes, I buy thinks that I know are overpriced at Goodwill, because they are a charity. I don't have the money to throw at anything like that, but some people do. It looks like there was a bidding war.

Dave

 

RE: What's so special about it is what I am asking!, posted on July 16, 2014 at 09:16:30
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 The cartage is a Shure, but I could not tell the model. Maybe it is not the table that is special. It is the bidder, as in "special education" "special".

Dave

 

RE: Is it really that GOOD or SPECIAL?, posted on July 16, 2014 at 10:23:28
Brian McGowan
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 Thanks for Link!The most I could afford for a high end table is $100.00 with no issues!Now I am beginning to understand why it went for so much.

 

RE: Is it really that GOOD or SPECIAL?, posted on July 16, 2014 at 10:46:39
Brian McGowan
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 I believe there was!What was more shocking to me is that if it is that good why was it not kept instead of donated!Those seem more like what E bay might get. I doubt Goodwill's auction site is as well know as E bay's!In fact our local Goodwill prices electronics based on completed E bay auctions minus the shipping & handling cost! The Manger told the electronics people that is how we do it here! Where I told the Manger I do not like online auction prices when buying locally because online you are selling to the world not just locally!But if you want to go by online auction prices then go by Goodwill's Auction site or send it there to begin with! I did not get a response back from the Manger.

 

RE: Is it really that GOOD or SPECIAL?, posted on July 16, 2014 at 10:47:10
Crazy Dave
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 You are welcome! Compared to the $36 I paid for my Linn Sondek LP12 / Grace 707, it is not that good a deal!

Dave

 

RE: Is it really that GOOD or SPECIAL?, posted on July 16, 2014 at 10:49:08
Crazy Dave
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 There are a couple of thrift stores trying to do that in my area, but the stuff just sits on the shelf.

Dave

 

RE: What's so special about it is what I am asking!, posted on July 16, 2014 at 10:56:15
Brian McGowan
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I myself more then once paid more then most would for an LP,Cd,cassette,etc of Lawrence Welk,in order to complete my collection including just recently!I never hid the fact that I liked his Band & collected his music here @ the Vintage Asylum!

 

RE: Is it really that GOOD or SPECIAL?, posted on July 16, 2014 at 11:05:29
Brian McGowan
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 It usually sits till 1/2 price week or later except for rare occasions here as well!

 

RE: Is it really that GOOD or SPECIAL?, posted on July 16, 2014 at 11:27:25
Brian McGowan
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 Thanks for the input!

 

RE: Eh. This is the one I would look for., posted on July 16, 2014 at 15:59:59
Brian Levy
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 Pioneer must have been financially strapped when these were made. The company could not afford to put a tonearm on it. ;0
Don Brian Levy, J.D.
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RE: Is it really that GOOD or SPECIAL?, posted on July 16, 2014 at 17:42:30
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 Same experience here with the big chain thrifts. It's all about greed. I could actually take you to a Goodwill here and point to items that have been on the shelf more than 10 years with no price reduction. Here we call it the bad will. The local thrifts run by churches and such have a much better attitude and better run stores. One place actually empties the entire store every 6 months via bag sales and just reasonable prices to start with. I shop and donate there. Vote with your feet. The charity aspect of the big guys is overrated too. It came out in our local paper that one big chain thrift donates 2.3% of their profit to charity. That is all it takes to classify themselves as a charity! It's a business, folks, not a charity. They take your stuff for nothing and gouge for all it's worth. Rant over.

 

RE: Is it really that GOOD or SPECIAL?, posted on July 16, 2014 at 19:04:32
Jeffrey Lee
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 Brian, do you drink a lot of coffee?

 

Priced any audio cables lately? nt, posted on July 16, 2014 at 19:23:53
viridian
 nt

 

Pioneer Series 20 PA-1000 arm was optional. (NT), posted on July 16, 2014 at 19:47:58
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RE: Is it really that GOOD or SPECIAL?, posted on July 16, 2014 at 22:12:44
Brian McGowan
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 More then I dare admit!

 

RE: Is it really that GOOD or SPECIAL?, posted on July 17, 2014 at 09:16:28
Crazy Dave
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 It is not greed, it is mismanagement. They have zero costs, they only make money if the stuff moves. If it doesn't move, they are paying to store it. If greed works properly, they would be pricing the stuff to move. Clearly, this is good old-fashioned stupidity.

Dave

 

RE: Pioneer Series 20 PA-1000 arm was optional. (NT), posted on July 17, 2014 at 09:27:24
Crazy Dave
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Not Bad!

Dave

 

RE: What's so special about it is what I am asking!, posted on July 17, 2014 at 09:55:39
Crazy Dave
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 I do have a shelf devoted to Easy Listening Music, but I never got bit by the Lawrence Welk bug. This is probably because my parents were not into him. Most if the music on my Easy Listening shelf is stuff my mother liked. My father liked only classical and musicals.

Dave

 

RE: Is it really that GOOD or SPECIAL?, posted on July 17, 2014 at 12:22:46
DIY John
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 Well said, Dave! I stand corrected.

John

 

RE: Eh. This is the one I would look for., posted on July 23, 2014 at 19:26:54
michaelhigh
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 Get one with a tonearm! They sound better (unless you just want to watch a record rotate!)...

Teasin'! (hehe) I wouldn't kick that beauty out of my rig for eating crackers, as long as my RCM could handle it!

 

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