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DIY interconnect with integrated passive filtering?

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Posted on January 13, 2017 at 08:51:30
KanedaK
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I bought some bulk VDH D102 cable.
I was wondering if it's possible to integrate in the connector the caps and resistors needed for a 400Hz/2nd order LP filter AND a fixed 12dB of attenuation. Has anybody tried something like that?
The goal is to get rid of my active crossover because it sounds like an a**.

 

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RE: DIY interconnect with integrated passive filtering?, posted on January 13, 2017 at 18:36:55
Awe-d-o-file
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I hear you. Another thing in the chain can be yuck. Why do you need the attenuation? The values in the filter depend on the input mpdance of the amp. Try a good mil spec 5% carbon resistor. I find them less strident than metal film and PRP. I magine you kbow he formula but I linked it. Report back when done.


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Question......, posted on January 14, 2017 at 09:59:15
Winston Smith
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Hey There Awe-D!

Glad you're healing up and getting better. Very good to hear. All the best to you and yours.

Off-topic question regarding the implementation of Al Sekela's great AC filter tweak.

You said the PRPs sound 'strident'. Yet I saw in your previously posted instructions/photos that you used the 1/2W PRPs in the AC filters you made, as did Al, when he was alive.

Many years ago, at the personal urging of Al Sekela, I followed the exact recipe that Al and you offer, using the prescribed value Wimas and 1/2 W PRPs. I found the filters to sound just a touch....'strident'. Effective in cleaning up AC noise? Yes! Very much so. But just a tad strident in my system. (Thus, I ultimately opted for Alan Maher's Power Enhancer V/VI series, which used no resistors, and employed many more capacitors, all Vishay, btw.)

Recently, though, I returned to thinking I want to go back and try yours/Al's design again, but with better sounding resistors. I believe Al's design imparts more stability with the resistors in there, and take much less time to 'dial in' (Maher's devices take around 2 or 3 weeks to stabilize and dial in, sounding pretty horrid until then.)

Would you now recommend another type of resistor, and if so, what type/value/rating?

Or would you simply move up to the 1 watt size PRPs (which I have read is less prone to the stridency of the 1/2W and the 1/4W PRPs, and also sounds more weighty and 3D)?

I was going to remove the 1/2W PRPs and go with the 1W PRPs, but figured I'd ask you your opinion before doing so. Your new comment herein prompted me to finally write and ask. (Thanks!)

Any guidance is appreciated. TIA!

Cheers,

WS

 

RE: DIY interconnect with integrated passive filtering?, posted on January 14, 2017 at 14:10:19
Duster
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I noticed the Cabre AS45 crossover features a hardwired 18 AWG power cord. No matter what improvements one has done to the electronic components such as upgraded caps and op-amps, the stock power cord will remain a weak link in the chain. You might consider installing a chassis mount or inline IEC inlet to enable the use of a detachable audiophile-quality power cord. It can be quite a surprise when the selection of an aftermarket power cord transforms an ugly duck into a swan, so to speak. Another aspect to consider is vibration control footers, since electronic/active crossovers are just as sensitive to power cord upgrades and vibration control devices as any other audio component.

 

RE: Question......, posted on January 14, 2017 at 17:04:42
bartc
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Al liked the PRPs, but I always went for the flameproof resistors. Sounded great in my system, which admittedly was nowhere near as resolving as his.

 

RE: DIY interconnect with integrated passive filtering?, posted on January 16, 2017 at 06:34:56
KanedaK
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I need the atténuation due to a major difference in sensitivity between the low-pass amplifier and the high-pass amplifier. The latter has its own input volume control for fine-tuning.
Let's say I want attenuation AND low-pass filter in the same interconnect; i would then put the filter in the interconnects that are at the preamps out, and the attenuation in the plugs that are in the power amps input, that would be the "correct" way to do it, right?

 

RE: DIY interconnect with integrated passive filtering?, posted on January 17, 2017 at 02:07:14
KanedaK
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Thanks for your advice Duster; I might consider tweaking that active crossover further but it is full of issues and i'm not techie enough to solve them.
Well, main issue it has - besides sounding just plein wrong - is a difference in gain between left low-pass output and right low-pass output, the latter being always 2 or 3dB stronger, wich screws the stereo image as you can imagine
other issues being opa2134 not good enough as opamps and elna silmicII not good enough as coupling caps, plus a quantity of other factors i suspect such as quality of cinch connectors, cabling, and so on.

 

How are calibrating the system?, posted on January 19, 2017 at 18:38:01
gusser
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It sounds to me like you are not setting up the crossover properly.

Rod Elliot has a good paper on setting up bi-amped systems. See link I attached. it's a two part paper.

It's not the power cord, or the OPAMPS, or the caps or the resistors. Fooling around with that will only make it worse.

At a minimum you need a calibrated sound level meter. That does not mean some IPhone app. Those mics are hardly flat. Ideally you would use a real time spectrum analyzer.

I run a tri-amped system and I have to tell you it's all about the calibration. You can't set up a crossover properly by ear.

 

RE: DIY interconnect with integrated passive filtering?, posted on January 20, 2017 at 20:27:29
pictureguy
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What's wrong with OPA2134? I use one in a CMoy Headphone amp DIY and it is pretty good, though I don't have an extensive selection of opamps for 'rolling'
Too much is never enough

 

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