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Do you have any DAC suggestion that sounds like vinyl? :)
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Posted on February 13, 2017 at 23:16:48 | ||
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Location: South Florida Joined: March 14, 2003 |
Recently, my wife and I went to listen to some speakers at a dealer. We played some of our CDs and the sound was pretty good (except one CD sounded horrible). Then we switched the setup to play from a turntable. WOW! What a difference! It was like as if the sound was creating air that we could feel. The dimension changed. The tone changed. It was like night and day. Although I had heard turntable before I have never had a chance to compare it in the same listening session. Now, my wife says we have to get a turntable:) which I do not want to because I cannot keep up buying LPs, caring for them, storing them,etc. I have Tidal Hifi. Squeezebox Touch and Chord Mojo DAC with a Class D amp. I am in search of finding a DAC that can sounds like *that* sound at the dealer with turntable. My wife says to get that sound, I need to get a turntable :) I also have to mention, the turntable was high-end. Not some budget turntable. I also tried HQPlayer with Roon (both trial version) and did DSD upsampling (my laptop cannot handle more than DSD128). My wife and I could not hear noticable difference except little more detailed sound in DSD but DSD made highs worse we thought. So, DSD did not wow us (maybe even a disappointment) like it did with the sound of a turntable. So, the classic question goes, do you have any DAC suggestion that sounds like vinyl? :) Budget $1000 used. Thanks! |
RE: Do you have any DAC suggestion that sounds like vinyl? :) , posted on February 14, 2017 at 00:08:28 | |
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Imo asking for a DAC that sounds as flawed as "Vinyl" drives you into the wrong direction. You need to ask what's the good part of Vinyl. How can that - whatever it might be - be ported into the digital world. The 2nd question would be how to get rid of all the flaws/weaknesses in the digital chain first. My guess - from what I see and assume - you still have many flaws in your system. People who managed to get the system (not just a single device) right, do not ask these kind of "Vinyl" questions anymore. And. No money in the world will get your there! Don't be a fool - as many others over here - and jump from one overpriced DAC to the next. They all have their weaknesses. What they pretty much all have in common. These DACs are standalone devices. Such a device won't make a system. You're pretty much on your own to get your system right. From my perspective. It's possible. And it's not even that expensive. But if you depened 100% on support from others you most probably will fail. Good luck with your project. ----------------------------------------------------------------- blog latest >> The Audio Streaming Series - tuning kit pCP |
Slightly different take, posted on February 14, 2017 at 09:52:20 | |
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When I think of the sonic advantages with the best of my analog recordings, I think in terms of ways to tame digital edge and provide more top end ease and extension. As a long term Touch user, the first thing I would recommend is replacing the inherently noisy switching power supply wall wart with a linear. I've used a couple of different ones over the years, but just yesterday learned of a pretty inexpensive one. I immediately ordered one to check out. What I've found is that using a linear will reduce a sense of "false brightness" unchecked digital hash can make. Similarly, I would make sure you are using some fashion of power conditioning in your system to reduce unavoidable RFI/EMI garbage on the AC. To really match the best analog, my experience has been you really need high resolution recordings. Those that were truly mastered or recorded as such and not upsampled Redbook. I would look at the various sources available for 24/96, 24/196 and DSD content that can showcase how good digital can get. There are a number of modestly priced DACs available today that might outperform your primarily intended for mobile use Mojo. Good luck in your quest! |
RE: Jameco 5V 1A wallwart linear PSU, posted on February 15, 2017 at 18:37:08 | |
Hey Abe, that was with no load. I can measure with a RPi attached and report back. |
RE: Being one who, posted on February 16, 2017 at 08:42:46 | |
No only for the RPI |
RE: Being one who, posted on February 16, 2017 at 09:40:28 | |
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Location: USA Joined: June 22, 2001 Contributor Since: February 2, 2002 |
Hmm, I didn't know you could power it via GPIO. |
RE: Being one who, posted on February 16, 2017 at 09:49:31 | |
Yep I only use the GPIO |
RE: Being one who, posted on February 16, 2017 at 09:57:36 | |
These are different RPI that I use around the house. |
RE: Being one who, posted on February 16, 2017 at 10:57:54 | |
When I get home I will test it under load UI see what kind of real world ripple it has.... |
RE: Being one who, posted on February 17, 2017 at 04:30:58 | |
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Location: So. CA Joined: October 20, 2002 |
I'm sure good measurements are not delitourous to the sound. |
RE: Being one who, posted on February 17, 2017 at 04:49:34 | |
Generally speaking I agree. |
RE: I share your observation, posted on February 17, 2017 at 10:02:31 | |
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I guess we are all on the same page. |
RE: Being one who, posted on February 17, 2017 at 11:48:42 | |
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It depends on what and how one measures. Conventional PC type noise figures mean nothing. |
RE: Do you have any DAC suggestion that sounds like vinyl? :) , posted on February 22, 2017 at 08:22:03 | |
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Location: East Coast Joined: February 16, 2007 |
Nope! |
RE: Do you have any DAC suggestion that sounds like vinyl? :) , posted on March 22, 2017 at 05:56:35 | |
great response.... |