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CAUTION!!!! Download speed waring!!!

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Posted on October 4, 2016 at 08:47:49
Iczerman
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I tried to download from Pentatone Music Marie Kodama's Beethoven
Sonata cycle. The one file is 31GB in size which exceeds my data allotment...which my ISP slows down my download speed...which means I have to go to Kinko's and pay in order to download it.
Just letting ya'all know....

 

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RE: CAUTION!!!! Download speed waring!!!, posted on October 4, 2016 at 08:52:18
Mercman
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My ISP allows me 700GB per month on my plan. With Netflix, HBO Go, YouTube, etc, one needs a generous data allowance.

 

RE: CAUTION!!!! Download speed waring!!!, posted on October 4, 2016 at 12:18:26
Kody
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If available, I would try to find another ISP. However, I know that depending on where you live your options can be very limited. I go through Comcast/Xfinity and have 100mbps/unlimited download. Regardless, research your provider and know your plan, and ask others what they pay. I've been at the introductory rate of $90 for over three years now. Each year they raise it to $150, I call and threaten to cancel, and they leave it at $90 for another year.

Story. When I first signed up for Comcast/Xfinity, we had to wait almost two weeks and pay $70 for a tech to come out and get us hooked up. Our internet was so slow it was unusable. I checked our download speed at www.speedtest.net and we were at less than 1mbps! I did some research and found a great article.

Gist of article:
- ISP-provided equipment is garbage, and they rent it to you ($9 monthly in our case).
- You don't need their equipment (wireless router and cable modem).
- Go to Amazon and buy the ARRIS SURFboard SB6141 DOCSIS 3.0 Cable Modem $69.95 and a good wireless router.
- Remove their equipment/install your equipment.
- Call ISP to register your new cable modem.
- Return ISP equipment to ISP, and tell them to stop charging you to rent it.
- Check your bill for a few months to ensure they stopped charging you.
- Tell you friends.

After I did this, I consistently hit between 90 and 100+mbps download on speedtest.net. Again, I went from less than 1mbps to between 90 and 100+mbps download. My surfing is nearly instantaneous and downloads scream. Also, not paying the equipment rental will pay for the new equipment in a little over year (depending on the router you buy). Had I known this, I could have avoided the two week wait, the $70 installation fee, and been up and running in a few days.




 

RE: CAUTION!!!! Download speed waring!!!, posted on October 4, 2016 at 12:58:09
AbeCollins
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I tend to disagree with much of what you said for a few reasons based on personal experience....

First of all, I'm on Comcast/Xfinity and consistently get 180Mbs on downloads and about 24Mbs uploads with their equipment that I rent.

I use the Comcast provided Cable Modem / Wifi Router which also includes four hardwired RJ45 1-Gigabit Ethernet ports (cabled to four rooms in our home) and two RJ11 telephone ports for our telephone service. So it is much more than just a basic cable modem/wifi router and it performs spectacularly well.

Comcast has increased our internet speeds incrementally over the past few years.... in very worthwhile steps. Had I bought my cable modem / router a few years ago, I would have had to upgrade at least three times to handle the increased speeds and QoS for media streaming. With my rented cable modem / wifi router, Comcast has upgraded us three times over the years at no charge. Our current unit also includes an internal battery backup so the phone service continues to work during a power outage.

I'm paying $69/mo for a very reliable 180Mbs on downloads, 24Mbs uploads, and can count on even better w/o having throw away and BUY a new cable modem/router when they upgrade our service again.





 

No Hi Rez downloads for me!, posted on October 4, 2016 at 13:28:15
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Silver discs forever!

Chris




 

RE: CAUTION!!!! Download speed waring!!!, posted on October 4, 2016 at 15:18:01
Kody
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AbeCollins,

It would be nice if I received the same level of service from Comcast here in Colorado Springs. Had that been the case, I wouldn't have been driven to research and buy my own equipment. Apparently, however, I am not alone in my frustration as Comcast is consistently in the top 10 most hated companies in the US, and was the most hated ISP in the US in 2015.


"Comcast, America's biggest cable and internet service provider, is the most hated ISP in America by a long shot. Comcast gets more complaints about its internet service than AT&T, Verizon and Time Warner Cable combined" (Money. 2015. Comcast Is the Most Hated Internet Provider in America).

As well, the cable modem I purchased is 172mbps download, and the router is a Netgear Nighthawk AC1900 Dual Band Wi-Fi Gigabit Router ($160). As such, to achieve the 180 mbps download, in three years I would not have had to upgrade the router, and I would need only upgrade the modem one time to the $69.95 343 mbps Arris Surfboard. Nothing would need to be upgraded three times. Or, I could have continued to rent Comcast's subpar, sub-1mbps equipment at a cost of over $300.

 

RE: CAUTION!!!! Download speed waring!!!, posted on October 4, 2016 at 15:38:41
AbeCollins
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I am fully aware that Comcast is hated by many. I am not one of them. Other than the steep price, I've been rather pleased with Comcast overall.

I'm not sure what subpar sub-1Mbs equipment they provided you with but I have never seen that level of under-performance with Comcast and I've had them for about 15 years at three different Denver-Metro area residences.

If you want to discuss subpar performance and incompetence across the board, don't get me started on USWest / Qwest / CenturyLink, our stone age 'phone company' ;-)

In any case, I just thought I would share an opposing view.

 

RE: CAUTION!!!! Download speed waring!!!, posted on October 4, 2016 at 16:34:21
Cut-Throat
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I agree with you Abe..... I've also got Comcast and have 125 Mbps Download Speed. I have had them for over 6 years and have never had to call them. I fix all my own network issues, so I don't have to deal with them over the phone.

That being said, I am pissed that they are pretty much a Monopoly here and raise my prices faster than inflation and know I can't do much about it. So, I keep hoping they get some competition.



 

I'm on Comcast, posted on October 4, 2016 at 17:13:53
G Squared
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You've got me beat by 30 Mb on download and I have you beat by 4 Mb uploading in my primary wifi zone and wired. My extended network downstairs is a little slower, but still good.

Gsquared

 

Did I mention I just got Sonic Fiber?, posted on October 4, 2016 at 17:52:02
Ivan303
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Did I mention that I get Gigabit speed with no monthly cap for $40 a month(plus taxes)?

I did?

Sorry, never mind.






First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: CAUTION!!!! Download speed waring!!!, posted on October 4, 2016 at 18:29:05
Are you in the US? If so are you using satellite internet or 4g?

If you have no choice, I am very sorry.

Bandwidth is very very expensive, I am surprised most people including me don't pay by the gigabyte for land line connections. I see that happening as more people cut off their tv service which seems to be another function of most ISPs.

First the drug dealers give you a free fix, then you pay. That's my analogy for what is going to happen with all this free bandwidth situation in the US!

I hope your download sounds good however, I am fortunate to listen to Tidal right now as I type this, streaming FLAC lossless.

 

RE: Did I mention I just got Sonic Fiber?, posted on October 4, 2016 at 18:35:21
Yes you did, I pay $160 a month for VZN fiber, 35/35 Mbps with land line phone.

I mostly do YouTube, and streaming music. No need for a gigabit, I don't have hologram TV which I am sure you have?

 

Great minds think alike, posted on October 4, 2016 at 20:59:18
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I've got a similar set-up to yours (rental cable modem with Comcast, etc.), and I just went to one of the "speed test" sites where my download speed measured 173mbps. However, the speed here does seem to vary depending on the day - some days, it's less that 100mbps.

 

Yes, and I'm still jealous!, posted on October 4, 2016 at 21:47:38
AbeCollins
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RE: CAUTION!!!! Download speed waring!!!, posted on October 5, 2016 at 05:21:02
Mr_Steady
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Abe the green graph on your speed test looks very flat. I use DSL from Centurylink. I can only get 3.5 megs. (I live in a forest.) Unfortunately the green graph on my speed tests are very jaggedy. I am not really able to stream 380kbps smoothly. Do you think upgrading to a better modem would help. Mine is the Zyxel PK5001Z, or should I just complain to Centurylink. I swear for the longest time they never had a plastic box around my drop from the phone line. Just a black plastic bag wrapped around it. I shit you not. Now after the hurricane they seemed to have put a proper enclosure around it, but the one next to it is completely naked. Just a box hanging from the phone line with wires hanging out. I shit you not. Any advice would be helpful. Thanks.


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Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!

 

RE: hologram TV, posted on October 5, 2016 at 06:46:50
Ivan303
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We did break down and toss our old analog (picture tube) TV a year or so ago.

Got a $300 42 in TCL from Costco with Roku built in but no cable.

Wife watches mostly PBS and movies, me not so much.

She gets her movies from the library up the street 5 blocks.

Streaming High Rez (24/192 from ClassicsOnlineHD takes a bit of bandwidth to play correctly. Same for SONOS, at least in my experience.




First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

Good..., posted on October 5, 2016 at 06:47:51
Ivan303
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I understand that jealousy builds character.




First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

Ditto, posted on October 5, 2016 at 08:30:44
E-Stat
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Well actually, I get 1 TB, but rarely use more than a couple percent of that figure!

 

Agree for the most part, posted on October 5, 2016 at 08:35:00
E-Stat
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I've been using my own Motorola modems for years simply because it has proven to be less expensive over time than leasing essentially the same box from the provider.

My current DOCSYS 3.0 model is good for over 300 Mbps while my ISP is currently providing about 90 Mbps so I've got a long way to go before I'll need to replace the $69 unit. :)

 

RE: CAUTION!!!! Download speed waring!!!, posted on October 5, 2016 at 08:55:25
AbeCollins
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I really don't know what could be causing your poor DSL behavior. I would complain to CenturyLink, and ask them if there's newer equipment you should be using.

Here's my CenturyLink horror story:
We moved into our new home right after it was built. The inside of our home was completely wired for telephone, internet, cable tv, etc. to all of the bedrooms and office. Supposedly all we had to do was turn ON service.

It was obvious to me that CenturyLink never pulled a telephone line thru the underground conduit up to the side of our house from the junction box in the neighbor's yard. There's a conduit right up against our house with a string in it to supposedly pull the wire thru. I tried tugging on it but it wouldn't budge and I didn't want to snap the string or wire.

When I called and insisted that our home does not have a telephone line, the customer service rep insisted that it does. We went back and forth on this several times until I gave up. I told him to turn-ON my telephone service then. He said it would be ON before the end of the day. I waited a couple days and of course we had no dial-tone so I called CenturyLink. They dispatched a service technician who told me our house doesn't have a telephone line. Well, no shit Sherlock!

He can't seem to pull the telephone line thru the conduit either. He claims that the thick plastic conduit might be kinked underground or water got in it and it's frozen (it was wintertime). He ran a temporary line over our fence into the junction box in the neighbor's yard. The temporary line ran across our backyard and into the connection box that was mounted to the side of our house. We now have phone service!

At this point I have an ugly and unsafe telephone line running across the backyard and was told they would have to dispatch another tech to either fix the conduit or dig a trench to properly bury a permanent phone cable. They couldn't do this until spring after the ground thaws. I call them again in early spring and was told that the crew that trenches and buries residential lines are backed up until June. I wait patiently and a new tech comes out in July and confirms that he cannot pull the existing cable thru the conduit and he isn't the right guy to trench and bury a new cable. He doesn't have the right equipment.

Now I'm told that I have to wait until the end of summer for them to trench and bury a cable. By this time we have our landscaping in and the last thing I need is for them to tear it up. I cancelled service and cut and removed their temporary line that ran across the backyard.

We have Comcast telephone service over the cable tv coax and via the cable modem. The sound quality is excellent with advanced features not available thru the 'phone company'.



 

I'm jealous - I COULD get 1 Gigabit but ..., posted on October 5, 2016 at 09:08:52
Feanor
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... it would cost me C$150/mo from Rogers.com in southern Ontario.

As it is I'm paying C$100/mo for 250 MBit but am getting a bit more than that. As far as I'm get tell Rogers doesn't throttle; two of us can stream Netflix simaltaneously in HD with not problem.

?



Dmitri Shostakovich

 

Are you on Comcast?, posted on October 5, 2016 at 09:18:58
AbeCollins
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I believe our data cap is 1TB with Comcast, but I have never approached that download limit, even with three 1080p 24/7 streaming security cameras. Of course the cameras are 'uploading', not downloading. But we have never received a data limit warning either way.



 

No, posted on October 5, 2016 at 09:24:47
E-Stat
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they were a previous provider years ago in a different state, but use a local ISP that also supplies cable video content.

 

Guys, what is ping rate?, posted on October 5, 2016 at 15:11:34
samac
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My internet speed stays steady but my ping rate goes up and down dramatically. Especially in the evening. From what I understand the lower the number the better.

I've seen at 30ms and I just ran a test because we were slow, download speed was fine and ping rate was over 200ms.

Any advice about how to fix this? TIA

Cheers,

Scott

 

RE: Guys, what is ping rate?, posted on October 5, 2016 at 18:59:35
AbeCollins
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Ping is the tool used to measure the network latency between your computer and another server on the network. In your case, it is the server being used at the other end of your speedtest benchmark (or whatever benchmark site you happen to be using). You can run ping on a local network or across the internet.

Shorter ping times are better but 30ms isn't bad as you have little idea what intermediate 'hops' and other congestion your network packets encounter at any given time of day on their way to the destination server. You can play with ping and traceroute from a terminal window command line in many operating systems, as I did on my Mac shown below.

You have little control over your ping times. It is mostly up to your ISP and the route your packets are taking over the internet.

Read more details after my screen shots below.

ping audioasylum.com and google.com from my Mac command line


traceroute audioasylum.com from my Mac command line





"Most operating systems, including Windows, contain a utility called "Ping" that can be accessed from the command prompt. Type "ping Google.com" (without the quotes) and the utility will return something like the following:

Reply from 216.58.219.206: bytes=32 time=29ms TTL=53
Reply from 216.58.219.206: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=53
Reply from 216.58.219.206: bytes=32 time=34ms TTL=53
Reply from 216.58.219.206: bytes=32 time=30ms TTL=53

In this case, the time in milliseconds is the ping rate (or latency) between my home PC and the Google.com server. The program is telling me that it took an average of 30ms across four runs for my computer to communicate with Google.com.

In the majority of cases, the ping rate is equivalent to the effective latency between your home PC or tablet and the Internet. This is not always the case, however - network throttling and congestion sometimes means that your system might have very low latency when connecting to Google.com, but very high latency when connecting to Netflix, or a game like League of Legends. Still, the terms are synonymous enough that many games and programs report network latency as ping rate, measured in milliseconds."

 

RE: Guys, what is ping rate?, posted on October 6, 2016 at 04:56:17
samac
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Thanks for the great explanation, Abe. Looks like the only thing to do is
contact my provider and see what they can do. Ping rate is frustrating. It doesn't seem to affect your internet speed(so it matters little if you have 2Mbps download speed or 100Mbps the ping rate will slow you down) and there's little if anything you can do about it.

Looks like the only thing to do is contact my provider and see what they can do. Maybe I'll entice them to help if I suggest I'll upgrade if they guarantee that they'll rectify my sporadic ping rate problem.

Thanks again, Abe.

Cheers,

Scott


 

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