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Wifey's reaction to uRendu

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Posted on July 30, 2016 at 19:06:53
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Played some of her favorite Broadway cuts from Phantom of the Opera, A Little Night Music, Les Miserables, A Little Mermaid along with Growing up in Hollywood Town" with Amanda McBroom and the soundtrack from Downtown Abbey where she sang along (she has a beautiful and powerful voice)...

"Voices are clearer and there's more space"

The little player continues to amaze me. I found myself clipping the amps with A Little Night Music not fully appreciating the wide dynamics of that recording!

 

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RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 07:35:18
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You and Wifey are deluded!

The mRendu is an overhyped, over buzzed product with no return policy and that is no better than a Rasberry Pi or a Squeezebox Touch, or laptop.

Don't you remember? You heard it hear from all the experts on this board!

C'mon, don't be a Sonore fan boy!

(Glad you have cut through the uninformed posts from the clown brigade and are enjoying a breakthrough product)

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 07:53:18
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Have been listening to the microRendu with the Ifi Audio iPower, HDPlex, and Sonore Signature Power Supply with my Stax headphones. Anxiously awaiting the return of my amps and preamp.

More to this story will be forthcoming.

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 07:56:22
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Still stirring it up, I see.


 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 08:02:48
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I'm still comparing the networked microRendu to DAC vs. my slightly tweaked Mac Mini direct to DAC. Both setups sound great but trying to determine if the improved sound is due more to the Roon / HQPlayer software.

But no doubt the microRendu sounds great and is an excellent value. I can't see paying thousands of dollars for a music server or streamer.


 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 08:09:08
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LOL..still a moderator wanna be I see.

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 08:10:41
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Thanks for the early report. Quick question, since I don't think you have the desire to use a remote library or remove the computer from the listening room, I am not sure why a streamer would be a product you would want to use? In other words, an mRendu would actually complicate the set up from where I sit.

Can you clarify?

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 08:12:15
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Your lack of knowledge about the market is staggering. As awesome as the micro Rendu is, and it IS awesome, paying more gets you more functionality, like the ability to plug in removable storage, multiple digital outputs, including AES/EBU, and other features. It is not all black and white.

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 08:16:47
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It does complicate the setup. But it's all about sound quality. That will be something I will be exploring.

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 08:23:37
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Steve thanks the reply.

Ok, that being said, if it is about sound quality, and I am sure it is..would you not get the best performance by removing the hard drives, the computer, all the other contraptions used to tame them from the listening room? In other words, that is one of the huge benefits of networked audio. I don't see the point of running a local network in the listening room with all the computer junk there.

What do you think?

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 08:41:09
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My hard drives are run from HDPlex LPS. The computer and all of the noisy stuff is plugged into a Shunyata DPC-6 v2 conditioner especially designed for the high frequency noise of SMPS. HDPlex LPS will also be powering the network components.

Obviously, this setup is expensive and I'm not suggesting it's for everyone. It serves my reviewing needs.

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 08:52:56
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No, you have me mixed up with fmak. I'm just waiting for you to make an actual contribution to this forum.



 

uRendu vs $17,000 Aurender W20 or $6000 Antipodes DX Ref, posted on July 31, 2016 at 08:58:01
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Please enlighten us. Others have done a fine job of describing how their systems sound. Here's your chance. We asked you about this couple times now. Please share.

How does your uRendu sound vs your $17,000 Aurender W20 or $6000 Antipodes DX Ref?

At least most will agree with your "System Weaknesses" !!





 

Expenive maybe, posted on July 31, 2016 at 09:03:26
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ideal? No.

Plugging the lot into a conditioner does not enable isolation of the digital, computer and analog sides from each other.

If you want to be purist, you need to isolate each and pay attention to your house wiring system.

You can do much better for less (or more).

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 09:03:36
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Disingenuous nonsense.

Nope. don't have you mixed up. As you were told by the REAL mod of this board you are lucky to even be here.

If it were not for me and Sordidman you would not have even HEARD of Sonore or the micro rendu. Man up.

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 09:05:27
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Complex = better SQ?

Simple = better control over quality and base reference.

 

RE: uRendu vs $17,000 Aurender W20 or $6000 Antipodes DX Ref, posted on July 31, 2016 at 09:05:45
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What you can't get through your thick skull is the products are in completely different systems. The mRendu will not move from it's current location. Ever.

Unlike I don't get my jollies from doing endless comparisons. I buy audio products to perform a SPECIFIC FUNCTION in specific rooms. I don't do endless swapping and configuring, then post hi rez graphics on a forum to get a pat on the back. That is for the insecure.

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 09:07:02
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The set up is expensive, complicated, and kludge, and exactly what products like the mRendu were designed to eliminate.

 

RE: uRendu vs $17,000 Aurender W20 or $6000 Antipodes DX Ref, posted on July 31, 2016 at 09:09:22
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"The mRendu will not move from it's current location. Ever."

How convenient. uRendu too heavy for you?


 

RE: Expenive maybe, posted on July 31, 2016 at 09:10:45
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The lot isn't plugged into one conditioner. I have a Shunyata Triton v2 for the analog components and DAC. Shunyata Typhon adds additional conditioning to the Triton. The DPC-6 v2 for the noisy stuff. The DPC v2 serves as a firewall. It really works.

Sure , if I could rewire the house, things might even be better.

 

RE: uRendu vs $17,000 Aurender W20 or $6000 Antipodes DX Ref, posted on July 31, 2016 at 09:11:44
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I find Abe's photo contributions to be informative.

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 09:13:56
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Why not post photos and a description of the Master's System for we sniveling lowlifes.

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 09:15:40
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Again, the setup serves more than the microRendu. Far more.

By the way, it all works very well allowing me to hear the component and not the influence of noise. Another thing to consider is the noise created by the interaction of your components with each other, let alone, the digital stuff.

Also, Ethernet and WiFi add their own set of issues.

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 09:20:16
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You have to be kidding. Abe reads the reviews at CA and AudioSteam and is well informed about new developments in this hobby.

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 09:33:08
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"Also, Ethernet and WiFi add their own set of issues."

Far less than you think. Ethernet and Wifi have been used in recording studios and concert set ups for well over a decade.

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 09:33:54
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Gimme a break. Sordidman started posting about Sonore and the mRendu well over a year ago. A forum search makes it clear who informed who.

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 09:35:56
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But both have issues that effect the sound we hear. WiFi is really not so great sounding.

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 09:37:12
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Sure, and Sonore at CA. How do you know what Abe read first?

Why not lighten up for all of us.

 

Certainly can't disagree..., posted on July 31, 2016 at 09:46:53
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However WiFi to my MacBook Air > USB to my DAC sounds better than Ethernet to a SONOS Connect > S/PDIF to the same DAC.

OK, MacBook Air vs. SONOS Connect might be a bad comparison but...

WiFi DOES provide galvanic isolation, so there's that. ;-)


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RE: Certainly can't disagree..., posted on July 31, 2016 at 09:51:37
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Absolutely!!

I will be reporting my experiences with WiFi that I have used for years and wired Ethernet. What I love about this hobby, is that I am always learning something new.

 

"Why not lighten up for all of us" - AMEN!, posted on July 31, 2016 at 09:55:22
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I have no idea why this guy has to go into nasty mode at the drop of a hat.

 

RE: "Why not lighten up for all of us" - AMEN!, posted on July 31, 2016 at 10:06:42
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I think he interprets disagreement as criticism.

 

RE: "Why not lighten up for all of us" - AMEN!, posted on July 31, 2016 at 10:15:20
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Not even disagreement. I merely mentioned that I would order a Rendu immediately if they had a return policy and he went ballistic. I still may order one down the road.



 

Got the whole house wired with Cat 5E with Router in the garage..., posted on July 31, 2016 at 10:23:17
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Both the listening room and my easy chair in the living room now have an ethernet wall jack in them that's wired directly to the router in the garage which is a few feet from where the fiber comes into the house and to the fiber modem.

Now if I decide to set up a NAS in the Garage or the Office I am set.



First they came for the dumb-asses
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Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: Got the whole house wired with Cat 5E with Router in the garage..., posted on July 31, 2016 at 10:25:49
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May I move in ? :-)

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 10:55:47
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I have posted on the subject many times. If you choose to ignore them, it is your problem.

I don't post pretty pictures and I don't use them to 'promote' what I use.

 

RE: Expenive maybe, posted on July 31, 2016 at 10:58:04
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So, one conditioner conditions another, and analog and digital replay chains mixed.

As I said.

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 10:59:26
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The entire system, not bits here and there, would be very interesting to me.

 

RE: Expenive maybe, posted on July 31, 2016 at 11:02:35
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You don't understand what Shunyata is doing. I did write about all of this last year if you are remotely interested. Again, the digital (SMPS) are isolated from the analog stuff.

 

RE: Expenive maybe, posted on July 31, 2016 at 11:13:40
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The technology found in the Shunyata conditioners has found its way into medical applications.

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 11:51:24
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WiFi need not touch the audio signal in any way. Strictly for the control point (iPad, Android device etc), so not sure what you mean.

 

RE: "Why not lighten up for all of us" - AMEN!, posted on July 31, 2016 at 11:52:47
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"return policy" LOL...

Funny, when your boyfriend Abe started loving the mRendu you kept your trap shut.

 

RE: "Why not lighten up for all of us" - AMEN!, posted on July 31, 2016 at 11:53:44
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BS. The spreading of misinformation and straw man arguments are to be deal with accordingly.

 

You know, posted on July 31, 2016 at 12:07:55
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the first time around your sarcastic comments were kinda sorta funny given some isolated comments by an inmate.

With every subsequent repetition, however, you just sound bitter. When folks reasonably wonder about comparisons to other platforms, I think the best approach is to offer some honest evaluations.

Which for some reason you refuse to do. Go figure.

 

WiFi is still a wonderful thing, posted on July 31, 2016 at 12:14:51
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I'm able to hear my server's content in the garage which would otherwise be impossible. Using an "N" primary access point and "N" repeater there, I can pretty much get "buffer free" results with 96/24 content.

Yes, they need to be reset now and again.

I have an 80' run of CAT6 from the downstairs office where the server is located to the player upstairs in the main system. I ran it up through built-in bookshelves where the router is located into an easy door accessible floored attic space over to the listening room.

 

RE: You know, posted on July 31, 2016 at 12:15:31
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Only appropriate response? YAWN.

And for the record, I find the term "wifey" derogatory. A by gone
relic of the Mad Men era.

 

Your situation is somewhat different, posted on July 31, 2016 at 12:24:22
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in that you really are not necessarily taking advantage of one of it's strength - that of isolation from the server.

Long before I implemented any notion of "computer audio", I was using the same Dell computer in my office for both work and personal finance, etc. I have a laser printer and a multi-function Inkjet printer/scanner there as well. For me, that need and arrangement is a constant independent of the music systems. That it also serves as a repository for music and video content enjoyed there and elsewhere is just a bonus.

My primary listening area, however, is located upstairs. Perhaps when you finish the basement in your new abode, that might change. Leave the computer infrastructure in your office and use only what is necessary in the listening space.

 

RE: Your situation is somewhat different, posted on July 31, 2016 at 12:37:45
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"Leave the computer infrastructure in your office and use only what is necessary in the listening space."

Bravo, a novel concept

 

RE: Your situation is somewhat different, posted on July 31, 2016 at 12:49:21
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Are you talking about isolation in terms of distance from the dedicated music server or the fact that the uRendu is 'isolated' by virtue of it's Ethernet connectivity?

I presently have the music server on the same shelf as the uRendu but they are 'isolated' via Ethernet LAN. I have yet to experiment with moving the music server out of the room.... or moving the uRendu to another room.

" Leave the computer infrastructure in your office and use only what is necessary in the listening space."

Yes, that is the plan with the basement. I may not even bother to finish the basement before I get started. I'll be clearing out an area for audio. I already have some equipment down there including speakers, rack, CDP, integrated amp, and a sofa.

Here's an interesting aside, not involving the uRendu.

I put Roon Bridge on my work MacBook Pro. It's very light weight and runs in the background and has no controls at all except to enable or disable it. It resides as a small Roon logo in the menu bar at the top of the Mac screen.

Roon Core and all of my music resides on the Mac Mini music server. I use the iPad to gain access to Roon on the Mini to choose albums, tracks, etc to play to my MacBook Pro. I can listen to my entire music library (from the Mac Mini server) on the MacBook Pro with my headphones on while I work. And Roon Bridge is so lightweight and 'out of the way' that I don't even notice it. And it sounds great!



 

RE: Your situation is somewhat different, posted on July 31, 2016 at 12:54:58
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Disclaimer: Roon.... I was given an industry lifetime subscription at no cost.

I like Roon a lot...but I am not sure I would pay %500 for it. I think they need to rethink that. It should really be priced in line with Jriver or Audirvana.

 

I find Abe's photo contributions to be informative, posted on July 31, 2016 at 13:05:35
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a picture of a MAC and one of two dacs; Croc clip connections and a fanned lab power supply into the urendu?

But if you are trying to promote something, that may be different.

 

RE: Your situation is somewhat different, posted on July 31, 2016 at 13:08:17
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Are you talking about isolation in terms of distance from the dedicated music server or the fact that the uRendu is 'isolated' by virtue of it's Ethernet connectivity?

The former and largely in terms of AC borne electrical/digital noise.

I put Roon Bridge on my work MacBook Pro.

Interesting. As for me, I just listen to 8" full range GRS in-ceiling speakers in the office sourced from Parts Express for the princely sum of $20 for background listening while I work. Or, out by pool.

Those are driven by an Emotiva mini-X A100 amp from an M Audio sound card in the Dell. Use freebie PonoMusicWorld (JR) player on Dell server.

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 13:09:32
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It is the principles behind powering your equipment, and a differentiation among mains regeneration, mains isolation, and the unknown magic properties of a 'conditioner' that are important. I do not see this in your posts about 'electronic' firewalls, whatever they are.

I have also told you specifically what my systems are.

 

RE: I find Abe's photo contributions to be informative, posted on July 31, 2016 at 13:10:42
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Lately, he has been helpful with the microRendu / Roon / HQPlayer setup.

 

well, posted on July 31, 2016 at 13:11:15
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if voodoo is the language.

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 13:12:12
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O.K. Fred.

Thanks

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on July 31, 2016 at 13:13:54
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For a guy who is often critical of other peoples' setup and is constantly offering up the 'right way' to do things, it sure would be nice to have a bigger picture of what your system consists of.

Why have you never posted your equipment setup in your Asylum profile like the rest of us?

Or post a picture! I hear it saves about a thousand words ;-)



 

RE: well, posted on July 31, 2016 at 13:16:13
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Shunyata is very open about what's in the box and what they are doing. I had a conversation with an engineer friend the other day who told me that the DPC-6 coils were based on well known science and not voodoo.

I'm sorry you have this misconception about this company, especially since you have advanced education in these subjects.

 

That's actually useful info, posted on July 31, 2016 at 13:19:55
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As awesome as the micro Rendu is, and it IS awesome, paying more gets you more functionality, like the ability to plug in removable storage, multiple digital outputs, including AES/EBU, and other features.

$1,000 for superb sound quality.
$16,000 for added "features" one may never use or need.

 

RE: That's actually useful info, posted on July 31, 2016 at 13:24:36
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It must be fun to create your own reality with your own set of opinions pretending to be facts.

 

Which part of your own words directly quoted, posted on July 31, 2016 at 13:30:40
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don't you agree with?

Or did you just forget to say. "Yeah, and you also get better sound." If so, in what way(s)?

Wouldn't that be an important distinction to observe between competing products?

 

RE: Which part of your own words directly quoted, posted on July 31, 2016 at 13:34:43
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You are operating under a false premis. They are not competing products.

No more than my Ferrari 458 competes with my Mercedes 350e.

 

Honestly didn't expect a direct answer, posted on July 31, 2016 at 13:39:24
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Thanks for playing anyway. :)

 

RE: Honestly didn't expect a direct answer, posted on July 31, 2016 at 13:40:29
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...Sorry :)

 

Which has one scratching their head, posted on July 31, 2016 at 15:29:49
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why anyone would spend $17k for the Aurender W20 which is putting the computer in your room with two spinning rust drives.

At that lofty price, why would anyone use conventional drive technology with its higher power requirements, noise and vibration?

 

RE: Which has one scratching their head, posted on July 31, 2016 at 15:39:14
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More presumptions. Who said my unit has any hard drives?

 

RE: Which has one scratching their head, posted on July 31, 2016 at 15:49:00
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Who said my unit has any hard drives?

Perhaps you have modified yours at added expense. I refer to the standard Aurender W20 product.

Aurender W20

"With 12TB of (6TBx2) internal hard disk drives and one 240GB solid-state drive cache for playback, the W20 is the perfect solution for even the most extensive high resolution music collections."

4 TB SSDs run around $1500 today. Did you retrofit yours?

 

RE: Which has one scratching their head, posted on July 31, 2016 at 15:55:58
Isaak J. Garvey
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Aurender is more than willing to customize the product at additional cost in this regard. Depending on dealer's relationship with them they will even add or subtract inputs, etc.

 

Replacing disks is child's play, posted on July 31, 2016 at 16:24:58
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Aurender is more than willing to customize the product at additional cost in this regard.

So what does Aurender charge for your configuration?

At market prices, the difference would be at least $4000. Factoring in dealer markup, etc. I suspect the answer is closer to $25k vs. $17 for the standard version.

 

RE: Replacing disks is child's play, posted on July 31, 2016 at 16:52:00
Isaak J. Garvey
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Calm down. My company bought a good number of these units to evaluate pre release production files. Through extensive listening tests the Aurenders were determined to provide playback closest to the studio master. They ae SOTA. They bettered the 4 box dCS Vivaldi stack.

 

No answer, posted on July 31, 2016 at 16:56:43
E-Stat
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Why should anyone be surprised?

Since you don't have the foggiest clue, I'll ask Brian @ Essential Audio.

 

There was a group of guys somewhere either Idaho or Montana..., posted on July 31, 2016 at 17:42:03
Ivan303
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that I met at an audio meetup in Eastern Washington. Seem to recall they built a solid state amp of some kind and were in the audio business somewhat but their main business was refurbishing/upgrading mega-buck imaging equipment in hospitals and clinics.

Seems that in the case of an MRI machine, one can trade it back to Siemens or whoever for a newer model which has a larger magnet and get better images faster as the larger magnet gets you more signal. What these guys were doing, as I recall, was going in and doing a massive 'tweak' on all of the cabling, wiring, etc. and basically reducing the noise floor on the system such that you got better 'signal to noise' better images and could do procedures faster for doing so for MUCH less bucks than trading in the old machine for a new one.

I worked in the medical instrumentation field for 40+ years but never in imaging so I can't testify as to the pluses on minuses of these guys strategy. I do know that MRI equipment is EXPENSIVE and that hospitals and clinics are CHEAP, so there might be something here.






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And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: Got the whole house wired with Cat 5E with Router in the garage..., posted on July 31, 2016 at 21:05:41
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Nice! Congrats on getting it all set up.

 

DPC-6 coils , posted on July 31, 2016 at 23:37:54
fmak
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Coil characteristics are indeed based on science. However, their effects on sound quality are based on subjective evaluation on a system, or a number of systems.

A 'conditioner' consists of reactive elements placed between the mains and a component. The moment you connect several components to one is the moment that you create a set of unique impedance interactions in your particular system that leads to SQ changes. When you start placing 'conditioners' in series, goodness knows what is happening to the 'science'.

Marketing material is not science. You appear to believe that it is.

 

RE: DPC-6 coils , posted on August 1, 2016 at 04:22:46
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If you are referring to the link I posted, it just shows that the products in question are not voodoo as you suggested. I spoke to Grant Samuelsen at Shunyata the other day, and he told me about other hospitals interested in Shunyata's technology.

I will be evaluating the new Shunyata Denali series that are smaller ( less expensive ) solutions using some new things that resulted from Shunyata's medical application.

 

medical application, posted on August 1, 2016 at 05:43:31
fmak
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what has this to do with audio quality? To be scientific, there needs to be qualitative data on performance and not on advertorials.

 

RE: medical application, posted on August 1, 2016 at 05:54:46
Mercman
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You were the one who used the voodoo description. Do I really need to connect the dots for you concerning the audio use of these products?

 

RE: There was a group of guys somewhere either Idaho or Montana..., posted on August 1, 2016 at 09:59:45
fmak
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I would not use any hospital that tweaks any equipment without the maker's approval and certification that the results will be correct.

I hope that whoever does this has a massive professional liability insurance pot.

There are established scientific and medical protocols for determining the threshold of resolution of such instruments.

 

RE: medical application, posted on August 2, 2016 at 01:12:58
fmak
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I won't use the word if you don't practice it, as explained.

 

RE: Wifey's reaction to uRendu, posted on August 13, 2016 at 11:13:02
Windows X
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If someone says it's overhyped product. It's an opinion. Can't you guys just respect individual's opinion and get over it? It'd drive me crazy if I have to disprove everyone saying Fidelizer is a snake oil product.

Regards,
Keetakawee

 

RE: "Why not lighten up for all of us" - AMEN!, posted on August 22, 2016 at 23:24:00
BubbaMike
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Perhaps he needs some training in getting along with others. Perhaps you could take up whip and chair.


When they discover the center of the universe, a lot of people will be disappointed to discover they are not it. ~ Bernard Bailey

 

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