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Sonore Micro Rendu released/Compuer Audiophile Review Part 1

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Posted on April 28, 2016 at 20:46:42
Isaak J. Garvey
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The Sonore Micro Rendu (uRendu) is now available for purchase.

Computer Audiophile review (Part 1) linked.

 

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I was going to order one................, posted on April 29, 2016 at 16:43:52
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to see if it sounded better than my Squeezebox Touch.....

But, I could not find a 'Return Policy', so it would appear to be a 'Leap of Faith' - And my Wallet, which I don't do anymore in audio.... I have been burned almost every time with the 'leap of faith' policy.




 

RE: I was going to order one................, posted on April 29, 2016 at 18:13:15
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If you know the players involved, and the have looked at the design, in my opinion, again I stress, MY opinion, this is a no risk purchase. It will eat the Squeezebox for lunch.

The platform is so much more sophisticated it is laughable and the set up options are virtually unlimited. The era of the closed system is coming to a close.

But, suit your self. Mine will be here next week.

 

You would think.................., posted on April 29, 2016 at 18:19:27
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If they were as sure about their product as you are, they would have a return policy.



 

RE: You would think.................., posted on April 29, 2016 at 18:23:43
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Let me clue you in..they sold out their initial run o 500 in TWENTY FOUR HOURS. And that was ONLY to people on the email list. As I said, the computer audio community are well aware of Sonore and John Swensen.

No Nervous Nellies apply. I am not trying to be snarky, but MOST computer audio products have no return policy.

If you are happy with the Squeezebox, keep rolling with it. No worries.

 

RE: You would think.................., posted on April 29, 2016 at 19:20:51
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Respectfully how do you know they had an original run of 500 and that it sold out to people on the mailing list in the first 24 hours?

 

RE: You would think.................., posted on April 29, 2016 at 19:25:02
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Ordering was only open to those on the initial pre-order email list for 24 hours. It was then opened to public ordering. The size of the list was discussed on Computer Audio.

 

Thanks., posted on April 29, 2016 at 19:32:31
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Great, I am glad they have on hand inventory for all the orders from those on the mailing list. That means I should receive one shortly as well.

 

RE: Thanks., posted on April 29, 2016 at 19:37:28
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FYI..the first batch is shipping next week. I do not know how many were built, but def. a good number were assembled prior to the order link emails going out.

I ordered with an hour of getting the email and my order number was just under #200...if I remember correctly.

Let's compare notes when you receive it!

 

RE: Sonore Micro Rendu released/Compuer Audiophile Review Part 1, posted on April 30, 2016 at 06:56:08
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Hi !
sorry for the question. I am not an expert. But it the picture i do not see any router. Is it not required ?
It looks like it is connected directly to both nas and pc.
However the concept is just great.
Thanks a lot.



Kind regards,
bg

 

My guess is, posted on April 30, 2016 at 07:01:08
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that it will be better than a linear supplied Touch, but by what degree?

Looks like unit with linear supply runs at least a grand. I'm skeptical of using the inexpensive switching wall wart.

I too, would like the ability for an in home audition and would happily pay return shipping if I weren't satisfied.

 

RE: Sonore Micro Rendu released/Compuer Audiophile Review Part 1, posted on April 30, 2016 at 07:13:41
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Actually a good question...The diagram is silly and confusing. The Rendu, like all Ethernet streamers needs to be plugged into an Ethernet Jack via Ethernet cable.

Or into a router.

 

RE: My guess is, posted on April 30, 2016 at 07:18:58
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Even it is only "as good" as a Touch, and in my OPINION, it will be far superior...the fact the Rendu allows for numerous output modes, outputs up to DSD256, allows for the control point of your choice, the server software of your choice, is compatible with Roon, and employs the latest USB jitter reducing technology makes it a no brainer.The Touch technoogy is a good decade old.

I have heard, and been immensely impressed with the Sonore Signature Rendu, but passed to the fact it only offerred a BNC output, a limiting factor in my opinion down the road.

 

RE: My guess is, posted on April 30, 2016 at 08:03:25
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Even it is only "as good" as a Touch...

Then why would someone who already owns one pony up an addition $1000?

and in my OPINION, it will be far superior...

My question remains by how much? Your speculation is as good as mine. :)

allows for the control point of your choice

I use iPeng currently with my iOS devices as both remotes and players and see no reason to change. I've configured the Touch's display to quickly turn off as I keep an iPad upstairs for control purposes.

All the other features are indeed nice and more "modern", but none would be put into play immediately with my system. LMS continues to works great with both music and video.

 

RE: My guess is, posted on April 30, 2016 at 08:29:35
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LMS is junk that is archaic, and has no official support. The Touch was a great product, no doubt, but things move on. It's plug in architecture is a thing of the past. I don't believe it can be configured for Open Home, which allows you to use dozens of FREE control apps.

No one is forcing you to buy a uRendu, but don't piss on it either.

 

RE: Sonore Micro Rendu released/Compuer Audiophile Review Part 1, posted on April 30, 2016 at 08:58:19
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Hi thanks a lot for the helpful explanation.

" The Rendu, like all Ethernet streamers needs to be plugged into an Ethernet Jack via Ethernet cable "

this is very interesting.
Then if i connect the pc to the Rendu with an Ethernet cable i can play files through its usb out with high quality ?
This is very very interesting and i think is a key point.
Because i see how critical is to stream signal through usb.
I see people using even 5 o 6 devices like isolator, reclocker, regenerator from pc to usb dac ... plus the cables in between.
This is crazy.
Instead this Rendu promises to make all this unnecessary ?
This is great.
Instead the lan use is less interesting for me.
Thanks a lot again.
Kind regards,
bg

 

RE: Sonore Micro Rendu released/Compuer Audiophile Review Part 1, posted on April 30, 2016 at 09:20:22
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Woah hold on, I do not believe you can plug in a PC directly into the rendu. It must be connected to networking device. It is NOT a DAC.

It is simply a streamlined ethernet to USB networked file player with a custom mother board, careful attention paid to power, and with a built in REGEN device for the best possible USB output to your DAC. All in a small footprint.

 

RE: My guess is, posted on April 30, 2016 at 09:39:31
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LMS is junk that is archaic, and has no official support.

Despite it's lack of approval from you, it continues to work just fine for me. As for support, the 7.9 version continues to be refined (if not from Logictech). I'm using the build from two days ago. :)

but don't piss on it either.

You must be responding to someone else's posts. Mine have only been cautious having never experience one - just like you!

 

RE: Sonore Micro Rendu released/Compuer Audiophile Review Part 1, posted on April 30, 2016 at 09:45:06
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Good the same ! I do not understand much of pc science.
The first words of the reviewer are very exciting.
Like the best sound he has ever experienced from his own system.
Thanks again.
Kind regards,
bg

 

RE: My guess is, posted on April 30, 2016 at 09:46:12
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LMS is a closed system. I am sure it works, but it hogs up far too many resources. If you enjoy it, no problem. My intention is not for you to spend money against your will.

 

RE: Sonore Micro Rendu released/Compuer Audiophile Review Part 1, posted on April 30, 2016 at 09:48:18
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I would not pay attention to much to his overly excited statement..he sounds like a guy who went on one hot date..when he does part II the subjective findings will be more grounded.

The review or me was more useful for the technical aspects and for the detailing of the design intention.

 

Now, you must be referring to, posted on April 30, 2016 at 10:02:12
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I am sure it works, but it hogs up far too many resources.

someone else's computer! :)

Lessee. Server running two independent music streams and performing FLAC decompression along with Task Manager actively monitoring everything.

Zero percent CPU utilization (edit: it does "spike" to 1% over time) and nominal memory consumption doesn't look so bad to me. LOL!

 

RE: My guess is, posted on April 30, 2016 at 11:09:09
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"but passed to the fact it only offerred a BNC output, a limiting factor in my opinion down the road."

Don't mean to keep on beating this horse from the other thread (I decided not to there, but now...). Nobody gives a crap about USB audio output except people here and in similar forums.

The gear that the vast majority of people have does not have a quality USB audio input. Yet. Almost every common and not-so-common piece of A/V or digital audio gear has a/multiple S/PDIF input. Including the highest quality ones.

The best DACs *I've* ever heard, or heard of for that matter, also have S/PDIF inputs, and it's usually using the AES or BNC input variants where I've been most impressed. [These are expensive!! DACs.]

I'm not trying to piss on anybody's cornflakes, I hope I made that clear before, but NOT having an S/PDIF output is the "limiting factor" *now* of such an audio device, and for the forseeable future. If very widespread sales are the intention...probably not, it's designed for a very specific niche market. I do realize Sonore makes/made a product more suitable for me. Again, I am pretty sure this product is intended for the plug-in/stick-type (i.e. very small size) USB DAC market i.e. price/footprint were important.

For me, functionality is important. LMS with iPeng is a pretty tough act to improve on. I don't really see how somebody can, in fact, since it does exactly what needs to be done essentially "perfectly" (with appropriate LMS plug-ins). It's the better (digital output) hardware I wouldn't mind. But it's the interface software that makes the experience pleasurable, or frustrating.

If they made something exactly "the same" without the (relatively "expensive") USB jiggery-poke but with all the Swenson touch and an S/PDIF output, then I could connect that device to just about any existing A/V device going back at least 15 years. S/PDIF ain't going anywhere, too entrenched. Quality USB interfaces, just more-than-functional ones for audio for that matter, are "nowhere" in the larger world, that's why "we" have to make them. "Acceptable" S/PDIF interfaces are everywhere. [Yes, all the "digital" interfaces for audio have significant downsides, so some stick to the analog devil they know...]

[Don't underestimate what can be done with an SBT with relevant power adjustments (I use balanced power and multiple micro-regulator stages, the last 2" from the SBT power input, close as I could conveniently get) plus "correct" network connection (there are "infinite" ways to do it, not all as good as some others). There are a zillion ways to use an SBT since it connects to pretty much anything, but a little effort, plus the plug-ins, makes a big diff. This will not happen by accident, you have to work at it, like everything in audio...]

 

Very well said..................., posted on April 30, 2016 at 11:46:54
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With all of the Pluggins written for LMS... I don't know of any other software that can stream all of the Music Services, run some very useful Pluggins such as 'Smart Mix'. LMS is the only reason I'd consider a Sonore.

Maybe there is other software around that can equal LMS functionality, but someone would have to educate me.



 

RE: Sonore Micro Rendu released/Compuer Audiophile Review Part 1, posted on April 30, 2016 at 12:58:37
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Yes but i tend to believe at love at first sight.
The 1st impression is very important, considering that i assume the reviewer knows very well both his system and the recordings used.
There must be something very right in this approach of audio over lan.
Let's wait for part II then.

Kind regards,
bg

 

RE: My guess is, posted on April 30, 2016 at 13:14:23
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Wow, what a shocking display of being out of touch. I mean, you win hands down.

Point by point:

"Nobody give a crap about USB" except forum members? This is preposterous, try nobody give a crap, in general, except AUDIOPHILES, and any one with an iDevice, or portable DAC. Of which massive numbers are not members of any forum.

"The vast majority" of gear? Who cares about the vast majority of gear. We are talking about the audiophile market, where high quality USB inputs are absolutely the norm rather than the exception.

Audiophile grade DACs without a doubt have high quality USB inputs.

(Disclaimer, my ultimate preference is AES/EBU, and I use USB for DSD only).

USB has many advantages aside from what every body knows, clocking etc..it currently is the only way to stream DSD unless you have an ultra expensive SACD player with an optical output and a DSD workstation..good luck with that.

I have 2000 ripped SACDs, some extremely rare, and I am not giving the ability to stream them from my NAS.

You could not be more off the mark on the intended function and market of the micro Rendu. It is NOT meant for "plug in stick like DAC"...that is laughable. It defies logic. Nobody would buy a wired streamer to use with a portable DAC.

SPDIF is outdated technology, no matter how you cling. And if you have NOT compared open system based streamers to the the SBT/LMS, then no wonder you think it is all that.

 

RE: Very well said..................., posted on April 30, 2016 at 13:16:54
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...the blind leading the blind.

 

That's called a Double Blind Test......................, posted on April 30, 2016 at 13:33:23
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Close your Eyes and Open your Ears.



 

I see you registered here at the Asylum about 3 months ago..............., posted on April 30, 2016 at 14:02:21
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You're being kind of Nasty to Several Members who have been here for over 15 years. Don't you think?



 

RE: I see you registered here at the Asylum about 3 months ago..............., posted on April 30, 2016 at 15:31:34
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Nasty? Spreading misinformation, and trying to pass opinion of as fact is nasty.

Members for 15 years? Yeh , and they still seem think it is 2001.

 

RE: My guess is, posted on April 30, 2016 at 17:12:18
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I'll reserve judgment on the uRendu other than to say that the specs look no different really than a low power SBC like a Raspberry Pi.Whether there's any rationale to claims of better sound will need to be seen. Maybe the software affords more features like Roon support. That's cool. But what sticks out obviously is the price... $600+??? Compared to maybe $50 for a Pi???

As for LMS. It works well. Stable for months on end (usually only stopped to update). Has ongoing open source support. Has many plug-ins. Can be run on low power NAS devices. It might be old though by itself that's not a bad thing necessarily... But it's far from 'junk'.
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RE: My guess is, posted on April 30, 2016 at 17:21:59
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Oh, boy, here we go.

"I'll reserve judgment.."

That is utterly laughable. Like you are EVER going to buy one and do any comparisons. We are all holding our breath.

 

RE: I see you registered here at the Asylum about 3 months ago..............., posted on April 30, 2016 at 17:31:14
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It's like Sprezza has returned!

 

it needs an IP address. Needs to be plugged into a router, posted on April 30, 2016 at 19:20:29
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Or a switch plugged into a router.

cheers Beppe


"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"

 

RE: I was going to order one................, posted on April 30, 2016 at 19:22:07
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You bought your 1st Squeezebox on faith

It is the same thing to your control app

It has a Regen built in

I'll be comparing them next week



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Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"

 

Mine was $130, posted on April 30, 2016 at 19:26:44
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& I'm going to get the Uptone Audio 1 in June

Cheers


"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"

 

No, I didn't................, posted on April 30, 2016 at 19:38:39
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I bought my first Squeezebox from Crutchfield Electronics which had a 30 day return policy at the time. I kept it and bought 3 more.



 

RE: "It's like Sprezza has returned!"...., posted on April 30, 2016 at 19:41:52
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And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: Sonore Micro Rendu released/Compuer Audiophile Review Part 1, posted on May 1, 2016 at 01:24:43
doak
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A few weeks ago I ordered the Sonic Transporter, micrRendu, iFi PSU bundle from Small Green Computer. They're here now and running in. First impression is VERY favorable - using them in Roon Server mode with a Lampizator Level 4 Gen 5 DAC.

 

RE: Sonore Micro Rendu released/Compuer Audiophile Review Part 1, posted on May 1, 2016 at 07:18:31
Isaak J. Garvey
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Thanks for the mini report..look forward to further impressions!

 

RE: Sonore Micro Rendu released/Compuer Audiophile Review Part 1, posted on May 1, 2016 at 09:21:47
Mercman
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Were you able to combine the HQPlayer with Roon if you use the HQPlayer?

 

RE: Sonore Micro Rendu released/Compuer Audiophile Review Part 1, posted on May 1, 2016 at 09:29:47
doak
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I do not use HQ Player. I like to feed the Lampi recording in their native form. I don't think the little Sonic Transporter is designed to deal with HQPlayer and Roon Core, but I am not the expert. I use no other computer for audio, just Roon Remote on iPad as controller.
BTW> My first experience with Roon - now I know what the hoop-la and hype have been about. It spoils one quickly for anything else.

 

RE: No, I didn't................, posted on May 1, 2016 at 10:03:56
Sordidman
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Cool.....

This is a small, highly reputed manufacturer, selling direct. And, the "class" of this product serves little to no benefit of "selling" and salesmanship as a pioneer.....

Indeed, the very success of the SBT/LMS combination has seen to it that "network file players" are sought after, and long established products. A manufacturer or retailer doesn't offer a money back return policy if he there is going to be any significant returns.

It's John Swenson.

What does it take for you to try something new. You have posted a number of times that you're looking for a SBT replacement, yet set up all these barriers to try anything new.

Sonore Sonic Orbiter. $299
Aries Auralic Mini. $599
Sonore Micro Rendu $690
Sim Audio Mind $1100
Bluesound node 2 $499

All of them run LMS without a single hitch. Looks exactly like a Squeezebox on your control app. Yet, everyone who compares them with a Squeezebox says that they sound better. Yes, each one of them has LESS "features." Indeed, NONE of them have a display screen, - that makes noise. But that's what the bedroom system, garage system, is for.

You've been around here for a long time, and I have respect for you and your posts. I agree with you about the LMS server system, - it's a pretty awesome system. But, for me, the endpoint is a mid-fi endpoint that doesn't belong in my main system. It's wonderful for the garage, bedroom and in kitchen. Even the noisy MacMini slightly tweaked sounds better. I think that many people who like a "whole house solution" like the LMS ecosystem, ROON/RAAT, want that, PLUS a high end endpoint that is "protocol neutral" flexible hardware endpoint. Because with the end of multi-function computing devices; everyone's going to be using NAAs anyway. The products mentioned above, are what's coming, and flexibility to behave identically to another SBT, but to also run MimiMserver, Roon, Open Home, LMS, Jriver, etc etc. etc.





"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"

 

Maybe not..................., posted on May 1, 2016 at 10:37:52
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I am probably more satisfied with my SBT today than ever. Not really looking to upgrade it. Not sure it would make a big enough difference. I've had many, many high priced DACs in my system also. And I have been mostly underwhelmed. When you have to 'Strain' to hear a difference, it may not be worth having.

When I see one, with clearly better features, I may go for it.




 

10-4, posted on May 1, 2016 at 11:27:37
Sordidman
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Are you just using the built-in SBT DAC?

If so, (putting myself in your shoes), I wouldn't be looking to replace. I'd go find a nice $80 linear power supply.

Then later, find an external DAC...




"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"

 

RE: Sonore Micro Rendu released/Compuer Audiophile Review Part 1, posted on May 1, 2016 at 11:35:15
Mercman
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Thanks for your insight. Yes, Roon is really nice.

 

RE: 10-4, posted on May 1, 2016 at 12:54:10
Cut-Throat
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No, I've got a couple of good external DACs. EE Minimax and Teac DACs. And, I do have the SBT hooked to an external Power Supply from Swagman Labs.



 

RE: it needs an IP address. Needs to be plugged into a router, posted on May 1, 2016 at 13:23:57
Tony Lauck
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If all that is needed is LAN connectivity on a single Ethernet, I wouldn't think that a router would be needed. Any node, such as a NAS, could run a DHCP server, or alternatively, nodes could be configured directly with their IP addresses.

Obviously, running a router that has a built in DHCP server would be an easier setup, but I would be surprised if this were actually required.


Tony Lauck

"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar

 

RE: it needs an IP address. Needs to be plugged into a router, posted on May 1, 2016 at 13:47:32
Isaak J. Garvey
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Noted, but I fail to see why any one would use it that way.

The whole idea of a networked audio system is that the NAS or networked computer can isolated from the audio system, and can also serve multiple systems.

This product is not for some one who wants to connect their computer or NAS. If the computer is in the hifi system, with hard drives attached, a USB DAC is the way to go. No need or a network, except for remote control.

 

Better to say a LAN, issuing IPs. Most home folks have 1 router, posted on May 1, 2016 at 16:17:37
Sordidman
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Provided by their ISP, and perhaps a switch. Plugged into a switch or home LAN off of one's modem/router/switch combo is what I meant...


"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"

 

RE: No, I didn't................, posted on May 1, 2016 at 17:35:39
E-Stat
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This is a small, highly reputed manufacturer, selling direct

Who, for some reason don't choose to back the product with a return policy.

I'd like to audition one myself. But not necessarily to wager $800.

 

Your... exactly what?, posted on May 2, 2016 at 11:36:03
E-Stat
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Presumably, we're not talking about either the uRendu @ $640 or the JS-2 power supply @ $925.

 

Teradak LPS , posted on May 2, 2016 at 15:34:12
Sordidman
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Total price with shipping wazza around $800 for both.




"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"

 

Thanks, posted on May 2, 2016 at 16:14:36
E-Stat
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I used a 5V model with a Touch player.

While Chinese made, it worked fine - if not running a bit warm and that bright LED had to be taped over. :)

 

It's a great bet, posted on May 2, 2016 at 19:59:06
Sordidman
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Reputation is high....

And although not quite made to order, a small business person who's building great products that have a sterling reputation for excellence. Not running 7 million off an assembly line in Taiwan.
It's not like he's making any money here....


"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"

 

RE: It's a great bet, posted on May 2, 2016 at 20:23:49
doak
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See no reason to waste time here - and I go waaaaaaay back.
This place has become the dregs and whatever may be available on the plus side just isn't worth all the minus involved. Adios.

 

RE: It's a great bet, posted on May 2, 2016 at 20:51:38
Isaak J. Garvey
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Agree completely It is a race to the bottom here.

There are people on the board that would drop thousands on a cartridge or tone arm but $640 on a well engineered audiophile grade digital component is met with skepticism.

They would rather buy made in China crap than support a brilliant home grown designer.

Please do report back on how you are doing with the micro Rendu. Mine will be here late next week.

 

RE: It's a great bet, posted on May 2, 2016 at 21:32:18
doak
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See ya over at ComputerAudiphile.

 

Or..., posted on May 3, 2016 at 06:17:38
E-Stat
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They would rather buy made in China crap than support a brilliant home grown designer.

power it with such.

Maybe even buy something made in an adjoining country. :)

 

Yep, - mine arrives Wednesday!! -t, posted on May 3, 2016 at 08:35:32
Sordidman
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"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"

 

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