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Pinging ... Sordidman regarding Teac Player.................

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Posted on November 23, 2015 at 05:49:16
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 I just looked a bit closer at the Teac Player NT-503 that you linked to a few days ago. Correct me if I'm wrong but it appears that this unit does not have a Digital out, so that you could not use your own DAC at all with this unit.

So, it appears to be a step down from the Squeezebox. The SB Touch while it does have an internal DAC (a poor one), they at least let you choose an external one.



 

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Yeah... it's billed as a DAC + network file player, posted on November 23, 2015 at 10:21:13
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 I know, - I rail against "combo" units. I thought that it looked interesting as it does have FPGA and Network file playing capabilities. They're going to look pretty bad if they imply that their DAC isn't very good by installing a digital output.

If FPGA is all that, - people are going to go that way. I'm looking forward to hearing FPGA DACs in my system.

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RE: Yeah... it's billed as a DAC + network file player, posted on November 23, 2015 at 10:40:16
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 I just assumed it had a Digital Out, as did most high end CD players did....Wow !!



 

Me too...., posted on November 23, 2015 at 10:50:51
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 The "network file player" part caught my eye before the FPGA DAC part of it: as I'm a NFP stalker. But, on the other hand, my previous attitude of "DACs are done" has been changed.

"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
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RE: Me too...., posted on November 23, 2015 at 10:54:13
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 What did you mean by "DACs are Done"?



 

RE: Me too...., posted on November 23, 2015 at 11:43:29
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 Before FPGA, - it was my opinion that high end manufacturers should stop making DACs, and get on to single purpose file players, as the market was saturated with great DACs, and there is/was a huge gap in file player production: still is.



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Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
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RE: Me too...., posted on November 23, 2015 at 12:36:32
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 I was pretty amazed at how many DACs there were out there. Especially, since there was not a great difference in sound amoung them. (My Opinion)... --- And you are correct, there seems to be a complete void in File Players. Especially the ones that will play Streaming Services.

Also, my Price point is around $1 Grand for a Streamer. The Sonore for $3 Grand would be a lot of money to stream bits into my DAC.... For something that I may not even be able to differentiate.





 

RE: "hearing FPGA DACs in my system", posted on November 23, 2015 at 13:03:19
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 PS Audio Direct Stream by chance?

Please let us know.

Would be curious to compare that DAC to a good multi-bit R-2R ladder DAC, especially on decent Redbook CD input.

The more time I spend with the Audio-GD Master 11 (and it's not even Audio-GD's best PCM1704 based DAC) the more I am convinced that the old multi-bit DAC technology may well be better, at least for 16/44.1 up to 24/98 material.





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RE: "Especially the ones that will play Streaming Services" BINGO!, posted on November 23, 2015 at 13:14:55
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 As most streamers are based, at least to some extent, on PC hardware and software (Linux?) one wonders why one couldn't figure out how to load TIDAL, QOBUZ and/or DEEZER ELITE PC players right onto the streamer?

Clearly TIDAL, QOBUZ, DEEZER and ClassicsOnlineHD are not all likely to write player software for every streaming service likely to hit the market and most streamer manufacturers are not going to want to spend the time and money that a company like SONOS can and will to insure that they are 100% supportive of every service there is.

If SONOS would just spend a buck or two on a decent sized hardware cache to buffer all those streams they support, I'd be quite happy.





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Or................., posted on November 23, 2015 at 13:28:56
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 Just support http://ickstream.com/



 

Of course, ICKStream..., posted on November 23, 2015 at 16:45:55
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 How did I miss it?

Any chance I can plug that software into a Marantz NA system?

Or any other CURRENTLY available streamer box with decent sound and an S/PDIF coaxial output?




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RE: "hearing FPGA DACs in my system", posted on November 23, 2015 at 20:10:57
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 "The more time I spend with the Audio-GD Master 11 (and it not even Audio-GD's best PCM1704 based DAC) the more I am convinced that the old multi-bit DAC technology may well be better, at least for 16/44.1 up to 24/98 material."

At this point I tend to agree. I am listening to a modified Lite 1704 DAC and it is excellent IMO.

 

RE: Me too...., posted on November 23, 2015 at 20:24:45
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 Both the Aries mini & Sonore Sonic Orbiter are under $1000, and will show up as Squeezeboxes in the group. With Aries, you have to install a plugin in LMS. You do nothing with the Orbiter.
I am waiting for the Micro Rendu to see what the price is going to be & how it'll work. The appeal of having a group of Squeezeboxes all over the house, is pretty cool.

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Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"

 

If they could support every major service, they would, posted on November 24, 2015 at 04:41:47
Dave_K
 The current state of the market is constrained by various restrictive agreements between streaming services and hardware manufacturers. First it was Spotify holding out on hardware makers demanding they incorporate Spotify Connect (basically a Spotify-exclusive version of AirPlay). Then Sonos announcing their exclusivity deal with Deezer Elite. Then Tidal launched with a bunch of partnership deals that apparently include some kind of non-compete restriction, so most of the vendors who have integrated Tidal into their devices and apps offer nothing but Tidal in North America and Qobuz in Europe.

Also, you wrote:

As most streamers are based, at least to some extent, on PC hardware and software (Linux?) one wonders why one couldn't figure out how to load TIDAL, QOBUZ and/or DEEZER ELITE PC players right onto the streamer?

With most online services, if all you want is access without integration, you can install their native apps and use AirPlay/Google Cast/Songcast to send it to your player. That doesn't help with Deezer Elite of course. And it's also a sub-par experience compared to having the service integrated.

 

DEEZER Elite has an OS-X player download (native app) that does Lossless FLAC..., posted on November 24, 2015 at 07:13:36
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 that you can download if you subscribe to Deezer Elite through your SONOS.

That said, SONOS has figured out how to get just about everyone on board, albeit still country license restricted such that, for example, if you register your SONOS account in Europe you can have QOBUZ on your SONOS but not Rhapsody.




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RE: "Lite 1704 DAC", posted on November 24, 2015 at 18:18:57
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 Which one?

I have a Lite Audio 6SN7 kit pre-amp which is surprisingly good. Like it better than the 12AU7 that I paid much more for.

The 6SN7's I'm using in it are worth more than I paid for the pre-amp.
NOS/NIB Tung Sol Black Glass Round Plates I've had for years with nothing to use them in.





First they came for the dumb-asses
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RE: "Lite 1704 DAC", posted on November 24, 2015 at 19:14:40
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 A Pacific Valve 62. Dual 1704s and 6dj8 outputs.

 

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