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New JPlay Beta

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Posted on February 22, 2015 at 03:59:17
Mercman
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 No need for JRiver to degrade the sound of JPlay. Check this out:

Today we are proudly announcing Beta test for JPLAY 6! Please contact us on support@jplay.eu for the installer

What's New:

* Remote control JPLAY via Mac OSX or Windows 7/8 desktops & iOS or Android phones/tablets thanks to all-new JPLAYStreamer component: Quite possibly the best PC-based streamer in the world!

* Fully DAC-driven asynchronous playback for all playback Engines: PC clock not used anymore thanks to new "DAC Link" feature!

* No need to go to registry anymore – New JPLAYSettings panel provides easy access to all parameters!

Simply run JPLAYsetup.exe to install JPLAY 6 (all your JPLAY 5 settings will be preserved since v6 will use new JPLAY6 registry key so you can re-install JPLAY 5 at any time if you wish so :)

 

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I double-dog-dare you to post this over on computeraudiophile.com! nt, posted on February 22, 2015 at 09:29:29
Beetlemania
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 nt

 

RE: I double-dog-dare you to post this over on computeraudiophile.com! nt, posted on February 22, 2015 at 09:45:53
Mercman
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 I don't get involved in CA politics. Isn't it logical to assume that if JPlay degrades the sound and performance of JRiver, that this unnatural and unholy alliance of products would conversely degrade JPlay?

I really take no issue with what JRiver has done. It's their business model and plenty of options exist for JPlay users.

 

Following on CA now, posted on February 22, 2015 at 09:54:04
JeffH
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 Should get good :) hopefully it will stay objective ;)

 

RE: I double-dog-dare you to post this over on computeraudiophile.com! nt, posted on February 22, 2015 at 21:20:06
Bob_C
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 "I really take no issue with what JRiver has done. It's their business model and plenty of options exist for JPlay users."

Steve,

What about the PUBLIC hoax page?

regards
Bob

 

RE: I double-dog-dare you to post this over on computeraudiophile.com! nt, posted on February 23, 2015 at 07:04:24
Mercman
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 Hey Bob,

I think the Hoax thing has been discussed many times. I want to move on.

 

What about it?, posted on February 23, 2015 at 07:05:23
JeffH
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 It is what a bunch of folk think. Now that does not include anything new that jplay might come out with. There is no true loyalty to JRiver, if JPlay comes out with a player/manager that has all the functionality of JRiver, but sounded substantially better then you would see the tide turn.

 

RE: I double-dog-dare you to post this over on computeraudiophile.com! nt, posted on February 23, 2015 at 09:30:43
Tony Lauck
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 "I think the Hoax thing has been discussed many times. I want to move on."

I seems to me it was a bit ill advised on your part to mention JRiver in your original post.

There are a lot of companies that market products to audiophiles. There is no reason to be do business with those with questionable business practices. The Music Lovers / Audiophiles remain free to steer people away from unethical businesses and will continue to do so. Those involved in the trade should probably stay away from such matters, otherwise they put themselves at risk of being labeled as unethical. Just saying.... But I will continue to trust Lucy's ethics no matter what.

Tony Lauck

"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar

 

"tide turn" - what tide? People who can't hear any difference, will suddenly hear it?, posted on February 23, 2015 at 09:33:52
carcass93
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 It DOES sound substantially better, right now - for those who can discern, and care about, such things.

 

RE: I double-dog-dare you to post this over on computeraudiophile.com! nt, posted on February 23, 2015 at 10:23:15
Mercman
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 Tony,

We discussed the Hoax thing to death here and also an article was posted at AudioStream.

I couldn't resist mentioning JRiver since they made such a stink about JPlay. Given that JPlay is offering streaming alternatives and there are other players, JPlay users shouldn't feel too bad.

Lucy appreciates your continued confidence in her work.

 

RE: What about it?, posted on February 23, 2015 at 11:05:02
AbeCollins
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A fundamental goal of a good computer based music player should be an excellent and intuitive library manager. I think JRiver is outstanding in this regard. Lacking that, it wouldn't matter much if a stripped down player sounded marginally better to a couple golden ears. For me it's about the system as a whole, the conveniences and features that make it a pleasure to use, along with excellent sound.



 

Sound Quality vs. Bling, posted on February 23, 2015 at 11:55:30
Tony Lauck
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 There is often a conflict between user interface issues and sound quality. This may come about for sound technical reasons (hardware and/or software related) or because the people who can produce one tend to lack the interest and skills to produce the other.

Put me down on the side of sound quality, not bling.


Tony Lauck

"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar

 

RE: Sound Quality vs. Features, posted on February 23, 2015 at 12:19:58
AbeCollins
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I wouldn't call good library management "Bling" but a fundamental requirement of a music server for anyone who has thousands of music files.

I don't believe that good library management and quality sound have to be mutually exclusive. If this were the case, we should all give up on computers for managing our music and go back to the inconveniences of storing and spinning vinyl.

As with any engineering endeavor there are trade-offs and decisions that are made based on the end goal and there are weightings placed on the components and features that get you there. Bling is not one of them but a good library manager is very important to many people in this very forum.


 

RE: "tide turn" - what tide? People who can't hear any difference, will suddenly hear it?, posted on February 23, 2015 at 17:02:31
Jaundiced Ear
 If the sound is "substantially" better, why does it require a "discerning" listener to notice it? Shouldn't the improvement be apparent to all?

JE

 

RE: Sound Quality vs. Features, posted on February 23, 2015 at 22:06:47
Bob_C
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 You can have both, it just depends... A general more used friendly interface for more casual listening and something more basic, akin to placing an LP on a table for more critical listening... Would not be that hard. I do it all the time.

 

RE: Sound Quality vs. Features, posted on February 24, 2015 at 11:14:48
Old Listener
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 Library management is certainly important for me. No point to computer audio without it.

Recorded music in any form is a convenience relative to live music. As far as I'm concerned, continued improvements in convenience without noticeable reduction in sound quality are welcome.
my blog: http://carsmusicandnature.blogspot.com/

 

Marketing, posted on February 24, 2015 at 12:09:56
Roseval
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 Not to mention a third category; the ones who know how to market a product :)
The Well Tempered Computer

 

RE: I double-dog-dare you to post this over on computeraudiophile.com! nt, posted on February 25, 2015 at 09:30:53
ted_b
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 We're discussing it over on CA. No issues.

I love the new OpenHome streamer capability. I use it with Minimserver on my Synology NAS, and continue to run in a dual pc environment. I found that turning off AO on the client (controlpc) makes a big difference when using JPlaystreamer. AO is still great for the audiopc back-end, though.

I am a beta tester and have gotten it to work (and worked out some of the bugs) on control points like Kinsky, Kazoo and now working through some issues on Lightning.

It's not yet up to the sonics of using the Sonore Signature Rendu and I2S, but it's a great OH streamer solution for those that don't want to deal with JRiver incompatibilities, Foobar setups, etc etc.

 

RE: I double-dog-dare you to post this over on computeraudiophile.com! nt, posted on February 25, 2015 at 09:43:39
Mercman
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 I have had issues with Kinsky and Kazoo for the iPad finding the home streamer. Damn, just haven't been able to get it to work with beta 3.

 

Yeah, I saw that, posted on February 25, 2015 at 11:09:55
Beetlemania
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 At first, I thought it was from Steve, taking me up on my dare.

Very impressive that it has not yet devolved into the usual pissing match. I can't help but imagine that Jim Hillegas is summoning all of his restraint to avoid posting on that thread.

 

RE: I double-dog-dare you to post this over on computeraudiophile.com! nt, posted on February 25, 2015 at 16:01:47
Bob_C
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 How do you have it set up? Where is the streamer, server etc?

 

RE: I double-dog-dare you to post this over on computeraudiophile.com! nt, posted on February 26, 2015 at 04:03:02
Mercman
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 The MinimServer and JPlay streamer are on the same computer. Another issue for me is that appears that AIFF files are not presently supported by the streamer.

 

RE: I double-dog-dare you to post this over on computeraudiophile.com! nt, posted on February 26, 2015 at 05:53:20
theob
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 This in a general sense is what is the biggest issue with computer audio...getting all the latest software and hardware to work...at home... in one's own system! I spent 6 years getting cplay/ cmp to work well including all the windows xp slimming. I started with zero knowledge of pc's (some will say I'm still there). But I feel comfortable with my PC. I have even migrated to jRiver and Foobar in a slimmed environment. So I'm good, right? Wrong. The industry has moved to 3 or 4 new windows os's, let alone Apple' os's. We have nas, network streamers, linear power supplies, external usb power supplies andGod knows what else. I love guys like Ted_b who just knows how to do it all . But most of us don't. I love hook up schematics, defined acronyms like pc (personal computer), discussion of advantages/disadvantages of new tech. We simply do not have enough clarity of new computer stuff imo (in my opinion). What is great about computer audio is the high performance one can achieve for little money. But come on, computer audio industry, let's get some clarity.

 

RE: I double-dog-dare you to post this over on computeraudiophile.com! nt, posted on February 26, 2015 at 06:08:51
Mercman
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 Without giving away the content of my next review prematurely, I will say that all of this all of this computer and software change and tweaking might not be as necessary as some of us think.

And yes, I enjoy playing with new software. Unfortunately I can devote only so much time to this hobby while still having a full-time job.

 

RE: I double-dog-dare you to post this over on computeraudiophile.com! nt, posted on February 26, 2015 at 06:25:21
theob
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 My post was not directed at you per se but I feel the industry might not be as clear as it could be to force customers into into big ticket, big buck solutions. But having said that ... cant wait for your next review.

 

RE: I double-dog-dare you to post this over on computeraudiophile.com! nt, posted on February 26, 2015 at 07:00:46
info@skolis.com
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 " Without giving away the content of my next review"


Mercman: When/where will the review be posted? thx

 

RE: I double-dog-dare you to post this over on computeraudiophile.com! nt, posted on February 26, 2015 at 08:04:07
Mercman
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 About 2 weeks. I hope to finish writing it this weekend.

 

RE: I double-dog-dare you to post this over on computeraudiophile.com! nt, posted on February 26, 2015 at 08:16:43
info@skolis.com
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 thx, I'll watch for it

 

RE: I double-dog-dare you to post this over on computeraudiophile.com! nt, posted on February 26, 2015 at 17:02:50
Bob_C
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 Do you have MinimStreamer loaded also?

 

Yes (nt), posted on February 26, 2015 at 17:36:02
Mercman
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 Yes.

 

RE: Firewall?, posted on February 26, 2015 at 17:51:51
Bob_C
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 nt

 

None-but I'll chck what Windows is up to. Thanks (nt), posted on February 26, 2015 at 18:08:58
Mercman
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RE: None-but I'll check what Windows is up to. Thanks , posted on February 26, 2015 at 18:42:37
Mercman
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 There is a windows firewall in 8.1. I'll make sure it is disabled.

 

Thanks Bob, Streamer now recognized by Kazzo, posted on February 27, 2015 at 04:21:46
Mercman
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 It was the Windows firewall that was blocking Streamer from Kazzo.

Now to convert some aiff files to wav.

 

Streamer now plays wav files. Thanks Bob. (nt), posted on February 27, 2015 at 05:21:00
Mercman
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RE: "Recorded music in any form is a convenience relative to live music.", posted on February 27, 2015 at 09:33:53
rick_m
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 Well put!

Even the idle rich of the past had less musical access than today's teenager with an iPhone.

It's like electricity. Who want's to go back to wood stoves and kerosene lamps? Well, some do and they still can, but Reddy Kilowatt was my childhood hero...

While I do enjoy the symphony it isn't really the sound quality that's better, it's the visuals and the acoustic field. A few more channels, big-screen video and a machine that sucks on Hall's cough drops while rustling a program and I'm virtually there!

Rick

 

RE: Streamer now plays wav files. Thanks Bob. (nt), posted on February 27, 2015 at 11:08:32
Bob_C
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 Glad it is working! :) No meta data in the WAVs though, unless you want static at the end of the file. I have been converting to uncompressed FLAC. I think you will be impressed. The new JPlay is very nice! :)

 

RE: Streamer now plays wav files. Thanks Bob. (nt), posted on February 27, 2015 at 11:12:23
Mercman
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 Bob, have you tried DSD files with Foobar/JPlay? I'm getting an ASIO error message, but will investigate this issue later today.

 

RE: Streamer now plays wav files. Thanks Bob. (nt), posted on February 27, 2015 at 11:40:42
Bob_C
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 Yes playing some DSF files right now. :)

Do you have: flac:wav, alac:wav, mp3:wav24, aac:wav24, dff:dopwav, dsf:dopwav in Stream Transcode settings?

And ffmpeg installed and in stream convert?

Bob

 

RE: Streamer now plays wav files. Thanks Bob. (nt), posted on February 27, 2015 at 11:45:52
Mercman
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 Yes, DSD works for me with Streamer, but not Foobar.

 

RE: Streamer now plays wav files. Thanks Bob. (nt), posted on February 27, 2015 at 12:55:34
Bob_C
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 Have not bothered with Foobar yet with 6. But if you have the Foobar add on set up it should be ok.

Bob

 

RE: Streamer now plays wav files. Thanks Bob. (nt), posted on February 27, 2015 at 13:03:13
Bob_C
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 Steve,

Here is a link. I think you might know the publication and have heard of the Author. :) Hope is it just something simple.

Looking forward to your impression. I think JPlay 6 is really a cut above.

Regards
Bob

 

RE: Streamer now plays wav files. Thanks Bob. (nt), posted on February 27, 2015 at 15:00:55
Mercman
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 DSD for Foobar is working with the MSB ASIO driver. I will figure this out with the JPlay driver.

But your efforts are appreciated. And yes, JPlay does sound very good.

 

RE: "Recorded music in any form is a convenience relative to live music.", posted on February 27, 2015 at 16:13:07
Old Listener
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 > Who want's to go back to wood stoves and kerosene lamps?
> Well, some do and they still can,

Sounds pretty audiophile to me. The fire crackling away would fit with pops and clicks from LPs and the light from Kerosene lamps would be like vacuum tubes glowing. And no EMI.

Going out to the wood pile to get more wood is like getting up to flip the LP. Pretty high end.

> but Reddy Kilowatt was my childhood hero...

I remember Reddy.

> A few more channels, big-screen video and a machine that sucks on Hall's
> cough drops while rustling a program and I'm virtually there!

Don't forget coughs, sneezes and various germs from those people.
my blog: http://carsmusicandnature.blogspot.com/

 

RE: "Recorded music in any form is a convenience relative to live music.", posted on February 28, 2015 at 04:10:24
Ryelands
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 it isn't really the sound quality that's better, it's the visuals and the acoustic field . . .

But, as much as anything, it's the occasion. You look forward to a concert for days; you travel to the venue; there's that atmosphere that only an eager crowd can provide; the lights dim, there's a hush of anticipation; the famous conductor, soloist, whoever walks on, usually with a touch of theatre. Raised baton . . . wham!

Beat that with antsy-fancy DACs and record decks, "Library Management" and the rest. You don't hear the exiting audience muttering, "Wow, I haven't had such a thrill since I froze my power cords."

D

 

RE: "Recorded music in any form is a convenience relative to live music.", posted on February 28, 2015 at 15:14:41
Tony Lauck
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 Convenience is only a minor point. Of inestimably greater value is the preservation of the performance art of musicians who are no longer with us.

Tony Lauck

"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar

 

RE: "Recorded music in any form is a convenience relative to live music.", posted on February 28, 2015 at 20:30:04
rick_m
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 "the famous conductor, soloist, whoever walks on..."

Can't argue with that Dave. Being a "first time" can make many experiences extra special!

In the early 80's our area opened a decent performance venue and we got to see (and hear) many performers that we previously only knew from recordings or TV. Having them there "in the flesh" does pique expectations. And they always delivered. And we got to see it in "real-time". Of course TV used to be real-time also before video recorders existed. And I think it was better. More "live".

Maybe that's more important than physical presence? When I was in high school our homeroom had a telephonic interview with George Burns and it was great even though he was over a thousand miles away. I'm not sure that it would really have been any better if he had been in the room. But it was happening in "real-time...

Human perception is tricky, am I real or an automaton?

Responder Rick

 

RE: New JPlay Beta, posted on March 6, 2015 at 17:46:14
coli
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I look forward to your review - please post link, posted on March 8, 2015 at 09:13:11
panhead
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 I really wish there were some sort of shortcut to all the CA tweaks Ive done.
Just color me a skeptic at this point....


Cheers

 

RE: I double-dog-dare you to post this over on computeraudiophile.com! nt, posted on March 14, 2015 at 11:12:51
info@skolis.com
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 Hey Mercman: re: "About 2 weeks. I hope to finish writing it this weekend. "
Has this been posted somewhere or is there an ETA, thx.

 

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