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Chris Sommovigo: The Great Digital Swindle

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Posted on April 17, 2014 at 08:34:06
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Beautifully written article that mirrors my way of thinking:

"The active, almost bustling market for used music media made the hobby of collecting music — LPs, CDs, tapes, et cetera — much more enjoyable. Just like baseball cards or coins or stamps, the physical media itself is collectible and an aftermarket trade highly active. As the owner/possessor of a particular physical medium, you have the legal right to sell the physical object to someone else in exchange for anything else of value … or possibly nothing at all (i.e. if you wanted to give a record or cd to a younger sibling or a friend as a gift). Pregnant within this is the assumption that, although you do not own the copyrighted material encoded on the medium, you own the medium itself and therefore have the legal right to engage in the transfer of ownership in valuable trade.

This is serious consumer power and it is what makes these collectible things “valuable” in the first place. It also mitigates the risk of acquisition by attaching a portion (sometimes a large portion) of the cost to physical item itself and with a clear ownership and built-in transferable value. Your risk in purchasing a record was mitigated by the fact that the thing itself was worth something and you could sell it.

With the advent of digital downloading via commercial services, as pioneered by Apple’s iTunes, we’ve thrown all of this connection and value to the curb"

and

"If we compare a download to a physical CD (or record, or tape), we find some things that are similar, especially when it comes to the basic costs of creation. Artists and musicians need to be paid, studio time rented, engineers and producers and mastering engineers compensated. All of these fixed up-front costs are common to both downloads and physical media. The real difference with downloads is distribution and production, because they are a weightless, massless medium that can be replicated infinitely at almost ZERO cost.

And this is not true of physical media, which require materials, factories, processes, teams of trained workers with specialized skills, a distribution network of retail partners (i.e. record stores), not to mention the shipping and handling. Think about all of the costs of doing business that the record labels have managed to sidestep, all of the other people they have cut out of the process, and a neat little picture should be starting to take form: A weightless product, infinitely replicated at incredibly low cost, efficiently distributed through an electrical-signal network that the end user actually pays to access. All of a sudden, the profit margin on distributed music just exploded into another dimension of huge, rainbow-skittle-shitting unicorns made of money. Big Rock Candy Mountain, baby.

And it gets much better (for them, not you, of course). When you “purchase” a download you do not buy anything other than the right to listen to it. That’s it. It’s an extended rental. Did you download Slim Whitman’s Greatest Hits at 3am and decide — after you sobered up the next day — that it was a mistake? Sorry, Charlie. No refunds, no returns. And especially, no trading to others. Ever."

 

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RE: Chris Sommovigo: The Great Digital Swindle, posted on April 17, 2014 at 08:56:27
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Can't one just back up the music files anywhere they like? You don't even need Itunes to play the files. You have access to the M4A folders in Itunes (in a PC environment anyways). I would never use Itunes to back-up my music.

And I don't need Itunes to play the stuff I bought there either...

So what's all the fuss about?

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RE: Chris Sommovigo: The Great Digital Swindle, posted on April 17, 2014 at 09:01:32
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Didn't bother reading the article before commenting, did ya? He uses iTunes as a peripheral historical example.

 

He may not have read the article and was commenting on what you said, posted on April 17, 2014 at 09:20:33
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Which one assumes was something of a synopsis of the article.

I had the same reaction.

One could make one hundred CD-R copies of the "download" and sell it to ... someone, I guess. Same with the raw file - you could send it to folks who may or may not pay for it.

How much money could one get for a slightly used EXILE album? Certainly not enough to go out and buy another equally horrible record.

I think very highly of Mr. Sommovigo but was a bit shocked to hear what terrible records he bought in his youth. Proves there is hope for us all!

If one gets worked up enough about just about any product it can be construed a "swindle". I mean apples grow on trees and you have to pay for them at the grocery store.

I think the article was more than a little contrived and silly. You pays your money and take your choice, as the old saying goes. If you think it is worthless don't buy it. Go to a Russian download site and get it for free if it makes you feel better.

 

RE: He may not have read the article and was commenting on what you said, posted on April 17, 2014 at 09:26:07
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My synopsis, and the article, had precious little to do with iTunes. iTunes was mentioned as the the original entity that started moving folks away from physical product.

Buying crappy records in our youth? Well..no shame in that! I have given away more albums than some on this board even own.

His point was..that if someone dies with a large Lp or CD collection, the heirs can happily enjoy that collection for the duration of their, lives, give it away, or sell it.

If that same person dies with hard drive filled with downloaded albums..too bad, the law says it cannot be passed on or given away and certainly not resold.

There are several other points he makes too. Like the fact that essentially you are "renting" the music files until you croak.

Free downloads on Russian sites? Give me a link!

 

RE: Chris Sommovigo: The Great Digital Swindle, posted on April 17, 2014 at 09:40:06
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I stopped reading after I read the part where he said he was concerned about "renting versus owning" and I am wondering how he came to the rental conclusion when you "possess" a digital copy of the music with no DRM or any other measures to stop it from being played on any piece of software with a M4A decorder.

Now, if one was to 'own' their collection but had it stored on an Apple or Sony controled cloud... yeah, I'd call that renting. Lose a password or something else goes south and you could lose "access" to your collection. I would never buy into such a thing.

So, if this is the basis for him calling digital downloads a swindle then I think it's a misnomer.

I used to hear Itunes users say "I can't copy my songs to a non-Itunes device". As a PC user I never understood what they meant. I guess for us PC propellerheads ignorance is bliss...

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Presto

 

RE: Chris Sommovigo: The Great Digital Swindle, posted on April 17, 2014 at 09:49:40
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I don'tthink he made any mention of itunes concerning its idiosyncrasies and whether you can use iTunes media on other devices. Off point. This was not a technical article.

A question ON point is: Are you aware of the law concerning digital media, ownership, and what you have the right to do with it?

The linked article discusses this issue using iTunes as an example, but it would apply to digital libraries purchased from ANY vendor.

 

very good article, posted on April 17, 2014 at 10:46:35
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And the mandatory 'didn't really understand it but still want to be argumentative about something' responses from the inmates....









'A lie is halfway around the world before the truth gets its boots on'. -Mark Twain

 

RE: very good article, posted on April 17, 2014 at 10:58:09
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+1000.

 

We are in agreement, posted on April 17, 2014 at 11:46:20
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I just thought you were a little harsh.

There are lots of those places in Russia. You can get just about anything you want. I was told about them and they are interesting but I have found, strangely enough, that it is so much trouble to turn these downloads into something I can use that I would rather just spend the money! The old save you money waste your time conundrum ...

Most of the folks these days have such a strange view of value we may be the anachronistic ones in thinking one should have something you can hold in your hands. I am an LP guy and though I need reading glasses to read the jacket these days I like the idea that the best of my collection does have artistic and intrinsic value. I can see someone one hundred years from today wanting my LPs - I cannot imagine the same for any CD I own.

I am older than Chris so those records mentioned were never considered for purchase by me. I guess I was in a lucky period where there were more good records available than I had the money to purchase them. I have all but six or seven of every record I ever purchased. Not including the Beatles records my parents bought for me. Long ago destroyed ...

 

RE: He may not have read the article and was commenting on what you said, posted on April 17, 2014 at 12:32:14
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"If that same person dies with hard drive filled with downloaded albums..too bad, the law says it cannot be passed on

Anyone who cares about such a stupid law gets exactly what he deserves.





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RE: Chris Sommovigo: The Great Digital Swindle, posted on April 17, 2014 at 13:05:19
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There are hundreds of scenarios where people could 'technically' get into trouble - even people who simply back up their physical CD collection. Granted, backing up your collection then selling the CD's off is clearly a violation. But the legal-speak surrounding backups is hazy. I don't even USE my original CD's, so they are effectively serving as the master archive. Is a CD copy ok but a HDD copy is not? Don't know. I use the files I have extracted - and I have them backed up as well because I have time invested in the extraction process. The files sit on a drive un-used. So, I have three copies - the original on physical media, the one on HDD I use, and the one on my backup HDD. Nobody can access these, nobody borrows these, nobody copies these and although it's theoretically possible for a person to play a CD upstairs WHILE I play one downstairs, well, that's getting silly. I've been at this 10+ years and I don't think I've ever even had two CD's playing at the same time, physical or otherwise.

As for copying the iTunes directory? I backed up my HDD and it copied the iTunes directory and it's now on my backup drive. Find my a judge that is going to put my in jail and/or fine me $250K because I backed up a computer HDD and the iTunes library was included in said backup. Apple users might have needed to crack or circumvent iTunes draconian CRP methods but PC users are not subject to this.

So sure, one could make semantic arguments and offer "worst case legal scenarios" against even the simple act of backing up a CD library. I have not yet seen anyone anywhere get nailed for backing up their CD or DVD music collection. Many people using "backup software" and call blatant piracy "backing up"... I'm not one of those people so I don't worry.
The point is the people who are getting nailed are always people who are taking copyrighted material and either 'copying and selling', or simply 'making available through file sharing despite no monetary gain'. In a word, they are ripping off artists and that is something I refuse to be part of. I think paying $15 for an album is SO inexpensive to get a copy of work that takes thousands of manhours to create and millions worth of equipment. It's crazy to pirate (steal) a CD of all things... it's such an incredible value, music is (for me anyways).

Cheers,
Presto

 

RE: He may not have read the article and was commenting on what you said, posted on April 17, 2014 at 14:01:45
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You are 100% correct. That is why I go out of my way to stick to those politicians who wrote the law as proxies of the entertainment and media conglomerates.

 

RE: Chris Sommovigo: The Great Digital Swindle, posted on April 17, 2014 at 17:12:38
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"I have not yet seen anyone anywhere get nailed for backing up their CD or DVD music collection."



If the powers that be want your ass they will get you one way or the other another. That's a feature of living in what is fast becoming a totalitarian fascist dictatorship. Best to stay under the radar unless one is on some kind of a cosmic mission, at least while one can. Eventually the computerized panopticon will be fully realized and the totalitarian lockdown in full effect. I hope to be departed from this vale of tears before that day. :-)



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RE: "mandatory 'didn't really understand it but still want to be argumentative about something' responses...", posted on April 17, 2014 at 17:44:47
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That's the best part. At least that seems to be the case here.

OTOH, I did read the article and I'm not altogether sure I understand why this guys is so angry.

And I don't download or rip music, as a general rule, and don't have more than six or eight downloads/rips, at most, on my computer/iPhone. All either of owned CD's or paid Hi Rez Downloads.

If someone wants to buy a Hi Rez file and play it on their computer or better still, a Hi Rez capable portable player, why should anyone be angry?
As long as they pay for it, of course, which seems likely as it's real hard to rip SACD, even with the right version Sony computer game console.




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Yeah, but look at the plus side..., posted on April 17, 2014 at 17:47:24
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Saves the widow a trip to the thrift store or the dump. ;-)


First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: Chris Sommovigo: The Great Digital Swindle, posted on April 18, 2014 at 06:36:47
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thanks for posting the link. Good article.

 

That is all too true!, posted on April 18, 2014 at 08:09:53
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I wonder what will happen with my gear when I am dead and what a pain in the ass it will likely be to whomever gets stuck clearing out my household.

I would love to give it to someone but I get the feeling no one would want it.

 

Sorry, no sympathy from me., posted on April 18, 2014 at 09:02:09
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I don't sympathize with people with this attitude. You can still collect hard medium or you can enjoy the conveyance of downloading... Or some combination of both.

There has always been an evolution on how music is consumed. Recording devices have only been around for 100 years or so and music, well who knows how long music has been around. I bet if you ask an Aborigany what he thinks- he's going to say there is nothing like a drum beat next to an open fire.

I don't remember crying any tears when my Lynyrd Skynyrd 8 Track became obsolete as well as the cassett and the LP before that. Pretty sure none of those mediums were worth much at the end of the day. I have a feeling my digital version on my computer will last me until the grave, and my kids, if I raise them well, will enjoy that dig file until their grave. Unlike the LP, 8track and cassette that came before. So I just don't understand the whining.

By the way, I just bought a mint Street Survivors LP (with the fire!) a few weeks ago. Now that is something worth owning!

 

RE: Sorry, no sympathy from me., posted on April 18, 2014 at 09:58:18
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What whining? The author was laying out facts with his opinion thrown in, which many agree with.

I find amusing that after your response you circle back to brag about the acquisition of an LP, one that is "worth" owning. So one would presume when the 192 Khz download becomes available very soon, it won't be "worth" owning, despite superior sound.

FYI, The 8 track market on Ebay is robust. Titles in middling condition are getting as much as new releases, and if in excellent condition, collector prices. Just take a look how much premium 7 ips reel to reel titles are going for. The Beatles Revolver is fetching $90.

 

RE: Chris Sommovigo: The Great Digital Swindle, posted on April 18, 2014 at 10:25:44
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Is is possible not everyone understood what he was saying???

I get it...

 

RE: Chris Sommovigo: The Great Digital Swindle, posted on April 18, 2014 at 10:49:28
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Article was verbose, told many anecdotes and didn't make one clear point, hence the confusion in some quarters.


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Guess I better stop making mix tapes then... nt, posted on April 18, 2014 at 10:57:52
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Another Layer, posted on April 18, 2014 at 11:40:33
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When it went from vinyl to CD (yes I kept buying used vinyl but needed CD for almost every new release) I didn't like the tiny little CD case with small print compared to a nice big album. It was around that time that I started referring to songs as Track number so and so instead of by their name. I mostly listen to instrumental

So this is a graduation that was/is inevitable. No I don't like paying the same/similar or even more for "less". I certainly understand the evolution if you will.



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RE: Chris Sommovigo: The Great Digital Swindle, posted on April 18, 2014 at 12:11:42
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"Article was verbose, told many anecdotes and didn't make one clear point, hence the confusion in some quarters."

I guess that is possible. But IMO the gist was that we are just paying for air. What is the real value, and cost of digital D/Ls...

 

RE: Sorry, no sympathy from me., posted on April 18, 2014 at 12:29:21
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If you want something to "own"... downloaded files aren't what you should be buying. Now... if you want something to listen to for the rest of yours and your offspring's lives- and listen to when and where you want, then, digital music files are great.

It's not like they (lawyers and courts) are taking away something you once had rights to. You know what the deal is before you spend your money. Make the decision and live with it. No one ever checks into a hotel and starts whining about not owning the room.

 

"What is the real value, and cost of digital D/Ls...", posted on April 18, 2014 at 12:42:20
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What is the difference where you store digital music? Who cares whether it is stored on a Compact Disk, Hard Drive or Thumb Drive?



 

What he's saying is..., posted on April 18, 2014 at 12:47:40
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if your music collection consists entirely of downloaded music, which for many of us is doubtful, then when the time comes where you have to liquidate things to pay the bills, or feed the kids, or hire a great defense attorney to keep you out of Club Fed, you're going to be shit out of luck trying to sell a hard drive, or memory stick full of those downloads on Ebay, or on our 'For Sale' section here on Audio Asylum.

You'll stand a better chance selling things that are tangible, or at least more tangible than a HD, or MS, with nothing solid inside, except magnetic platters and silicon.

His mistake is in thinking that most people only have D/Ls for their collection, or that they've sold off their LPs and CDs after dumping their contents onto said HDs, or MSs.

He does have a pragmatic point and I've seen people selling older iPods with large libraries on them, basically giving the device away for free and ehhh...it's just not the same and things take longer to sell, if they sell at all.

At least if I offer up my CDs/LPs, I might be able to group items by band, format, or genre, selling them in batches, finding more buyers for more items.

Putting a storage device up for sale, even one with the highest musical resolution and greatest fidelity, might present a problem, so recouping one's investment might be a bit more difficult.

An example for me, might be my preference for buying vacuum tubes with their original boxes. Back in my tube buying days, I would pay a 'small' premium for tubes with their original boxes, if I had the option. It was worth it to me, to have those boxes as part and parcel of the entire package, even though they didn't matter one bit in the overall scheme of things. I've sold a few of them over the years and having those boxes made things sell more quickly.

Chris



 

My take on the primary point is , posted on April 18, 2014 at 12:48:18
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that you cannot legally resell the purchase of downloaded music where you can with media. Therefore, downloaded music has no intrinsic value. My LPs and CDs, on the other hand, do have potential cash value.

On the other hand, the ease of replication makes acquiring "evaluation copies" much easier. :)

 

Hopefully, no one expects to be able to feed kids etc., selling his CD collection., posted on April 18, 2014 at 12:58:43
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Kids will starve to death (most likely), or will have an advanced dystrophia - in best-case scenario.

 

RE: My take on the primary point is , posted on April 18, 2014 at 16:23:48
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Which is almost meaningless in my book. When I go to a Music Concert I don't expect to sell the experience to someone else.

When I buy music, if I get to listen to it multiple times, it has fulfilled every expectation that I have.



 

Digital Swindle?, posted on April 18, 2014 at 17:56:20
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The editorial seems to be long on manufactured indignation and short on perspective.

The threat of Napster / peer-to-peer based free (pirate) downloads and the decline in CD sales forced the music companies into downloads.

CDs aren't worth much so I can't see that consumers will be losing a fortune if they can't re-sell their music collection. I don't know much about the market for used LPs but I doubt that most LPs will be valuable after 20 years.

Leaving your collection to your kids? I don't read many accounts of kids being interested in their dad's collection.

If you don't want to buy music as downloads, buy the CDs and LPs now.

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RE: "The editorial seems to be long on manufactured indignation and short on perspective.", posted on April 18, 2014 at 19:26:33
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Yep!


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Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

I've yet to find, posted on April 18, 2014 at 19:46:03
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any music files at a garage sale, just those blasted tangible albums and ceedees.

 

I live near a Music Millenium...., posted on April 18, 2014 at 20:48:12
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I will never run out of music, vinyl or CD, before I shuffle off. Since I have nearly zero interest in current "popular" music it does not bother me a bit. Since anything with DRM is usually compressed fecal matter anyway, I could not care less.

 

I follow Ebay and the 'for sale' sites and..., posted on April 18, 2014 at 23:02:54
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my LP, SACD, DVD~A and CD collection is worth a pretty penny on the open markets.

Whether your HD, or MS is worth as much as my 'hard copies' is debatable.

I bet that I come out ahead, is all that I'm proposing.

Chris



 

Agree, but, posted on April 19, 2014 at 06:47:59
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some folks view their music library as a collection. Much like those who collect coins, comic books, stamps, baseball cards, etc.

I'm guessing there aren't many in the latter hobbies who do so with digital copies. :)

 

I own 2 (that's right, two) downloaded albums., posted on April 19, 2014 at 07:50:45
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One in MP3, another in FLAC - both converted to WAV for listening.

The rest is ripped from ~1000 CDs, which I of course still own, and not planning to part with.

I'm selling CDs, that I don't listen to, on Amazon, currently about 50 titles. Most are sitting there for YEARS, but my (and my prospective customers) musical tastes are pretty unique.

 

Good article, but I find one flaw in his comparison . . ., posted on April 19, 2014 at 08:01:48
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Back in the day, when one sold the physical medium on which his music resided (i.e., an LP record, cassette tape or CD), the presumption was that he did not retain a copy. It has never been legal to make a copy first, and then sell either the original or the copy. Or even give it away. We all did that from time to time, but it was not a very threatening form of larceny, because the analogue copies we made to cassette tape were inherently inferior.

Today, one can make exact copies of digital downloads, so the presumption has to be that he would keep one while selling the other (the temptation is too great and too easy to act on) and, again, that has always been illegal. So, while "virtual", and therefore not returnable or transferrable on a physical medium, one buys not only the right to listen for the rest of his life to what he bought, but also the right make any number of physical copies for personal use that will never degrade. Is that worth the equivalent of a single transferrable copy on physical medium that might be damaged or lost? Who is to say?

I suppose a system whereby you could sell or give away a copy so long as you do not retain a copy yourself might work, but how in the world would one enforce that? As it is, I have friends who ask me all the time to let them burn a CD or two (on occasion, I have relented, but not always). I even have had a friend ask for a copy of my entire hard drive with 31 days of Apple Lossless burned CDs (I said no way, no how, and would never agree to that).

It's a tricky, evolving market.
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RE: Good article, but I find one flaw in his comparison . . ., posted on April 19, 2014 at 08:28:22
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"I suppose a system whereby you could sell or give away a copy so long as you do not retain a copy yourself might work, but how in the world would one enforce that?"

How would the enforcers know that all of the lps or cds sold were not copied?

 

They wouldn't, posted on April 19, 2014 at 09:16:27
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They don't. Those cats are out of the bag for the most part now that we can rip CDs and record LPs in hi-res digital. But LPs and CDs to cassette tape are inherently inferior, and I suspect people are not flocking out the buy LPs so they can digitize them, though of course that does happen.

My point really is that it's never been legal to make copies before selling or gifting, and as that has become easier and easier, it seems fair to try to stem the flow at some point. And, it's not necessarily a "rip off" when compared to the old physical media because of what you get in return.

Personally, I still buy LPs and CDs. I rip the CDs losslessly for convenience. I have not yet recorded my LPs because of then hassle involved.
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RE: They wouldn't, posted on April 19, 2014 at 09:39:35
rrob
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One should be able to buy and sell used digital downloads as well.

 

RE: Good article, but I find one flaw in his comparison . . ., posted on April 19, 2014 at 11:52:09
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There is something in the law called "fair use" which dates back to analog but has been since used to cover the digital market. The essences of that is that you are allowed to make as many copies as you want of your digital media for personal use...a copy for the car...a back up etc.

 

For "personal use", yes, as I stated in my post . . ., posted on April 19, 2014 at 15:44:07
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And as many copies as you wish if truly for personal use, as I said

But, you were NEVER allowed to then sell the original and keep the copies. That's not personal use because you no longer own the original but you continue to enjoy the use of the copyrighted material.

The author ignores this issue. He complains about how he used to be able to sell his CDs if he didn't like the music on them, and that's fine. But it is not fine if he were copying them first and then selling them, and he does not discuss the fact that people were doing that. In the analog age it hardly mattered because a copy was not a clone, but once CDs could be ripped to regular data CDRs on computers, the game changed. The law was the same, and the problems with enforcement were the same, but the temptation to violate the law increased because (1) copying was easier and faster and (2) the copies were the exact same (other than the packaging material).

He DOES have a point that now you cannot sell a digital download even if you did not copy it first. I get that, but I think the risk to the owner of the copyright would be too great if that were allowed, because who would resist the temptation of making a copy first? Especially now that there is no packaging material.

So, where I agree with him is on pricing. The market should discount the value of digital downloads because of the restriction. Unless, that is, the quality of the hi-res "product" and the convenience of unlimited clones for personal use does not tip the scale back up.

Ultimately, it's a new business model now that copies are clones. That was never true in the analog age.
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RE: For "personal use", yes, as I stated in my post . . ., posted on April 19, 2014 at 16:49:14
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I can make a digital copy of a vinyl recording that is a clone of the original. In fact, because of the convenience, I prefer listing to the copies.

I can make an exact copy of a 16/44 or hd cd.

I do not have special talents. Anyone can do this without exotic equipment.

I do not sell my originals and listen to the copies. However, the risk of someone doing so is no less for lps and low rez digital than it is for hi rez.

There should be a used market for hi rez. This isn't a copyright issue. It's about controlling the market.

 

Then don't purchase downloads...., posted on April 19, 2014 at 17:47:42
Seems easy enough to me.

Being fully aware of the ease of downloads and exchanging musical files one would think the industry would have stayed on the physical media course. Shouldn't they have some responsibility for their own intersts? Of course not. Why not maximize profits when you have political leadership in your pocket? You simply churn out legislation so you rely on the courts to cover their risks.

It's kind of sick the way government has become the lap dog for industry.

 

Then you're like me..., posted on April 19, 2014 at 21:25:26
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Although I downloaded 3 year's worth of alternative music on EMusic.com, I pretty much still have my records going back to high school and my first CDs bought in the summer of '85 (Siouxie & The Banshees and Jean Michael Jarre!).

I'd sell off all of my stereo equipment before I'd even think of selling off my software.

I have stuff that's long out of print and probably can't be had without a lot of searching and money.

If I had to, I could sell off my music collection of LPs, CDs, SACDs and DVD~As and probably make a substantial profit.

I think that's mostly what the author is saying, with regards to a HD/MS full of music.

Chris

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the fine art and sport of thread-crapping, posted on April 20, 2014 at 11:06:01
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