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High Def. and reality for me

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Posted on April 10, 2014 at 10:25:20
Old Listener
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 Since the start of the year, I bought 719 music files (tracks) totaling 14.4 GBytes. That included 7 MP3 files where buying a CD was not practical and the rest were CDs or Flac downloads.

NONE of that music was available as high definition downloads (bit depth > 16 bits and/or sample rate > 44.1 KHz.)

My last high def. purchase was on 9/27/2013. That was four files totaling 26 minutes of music.

I'm buying recorded music based on the work and the performance. High def. versions of those same performances are rarely available. There may be other performances of the same works in high def. but those performances are rarely competitive.


my blog: http://carsmusicandnature.blogspot.com/

 

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RE: High Def. and reality for me, posted on April 10, 2014 at 10:38:34
Roseval
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 WHAT!
You are listening to music instead of file formats?
A triple IP-ban should be the minimal penalty :)

The Well Tempered Computer

 

RE: High Def. and reality for me, posted on April 10, 2014 at 12:07:06
Sprezza Tura
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 Old Listener, congrats on not being a sample rate and format fetishist!!!!

 

RE: High Def. and reality for me, posted on April 10, 2014 at 13:51:35
AbeCollins
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 Are you telling us that you can actually 'enjoy music' regardless of format?! Your Computer Audio Asylum membership card will be revoked while the 'daily tweakers' line up to ridicule you.

 

RE: High Def. and reality for me, posted on April 10, 2014 at 14:19:50
E-Stat
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 I also buy content based upon what I enjoy, but it's always nice when what you want is available in a higher resolution format. And works with the same player used for ripped CDs and MP3 content. :)

 

RE: High Def. and reality for me, posted on April 10, 2014 at 15:09:50
Old Listener
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 I guess that I need to bulk up on Reference Recordings and HDTracks downloads so that the audiophile bullies won't kick sand (silicon) in my face.
my blog: http://carsmusicandnature.blogspot.com/

 

Ridicule me for, posted on April 10, 2014 at 17:12:10
G Squared
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 buying this on lowly CD


Gsquared

 

even worse, posted on April 10, 2014 at 17:19:58
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 an iTunes low res download of this


Gsquared

 

Or on Hi Rez, posted on April 10, 2014 at 18:09:22
Ivan303
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Blu Ray is above, link below:




First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

Interesting that the video you linked.., posted on April 10, 2014 at 18:17:26
Ivan303
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 is the audio track from studio album 'See Saw' dubbed against the video of 'Live in Amsterdam'.

Russian Hackers are pretty good!






First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

and ne from me, posted on April 10, 2014 at 18:43:54
Old Listener
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 Both of your video links were worth listening too. I think you are smart to mine Youtube for music you want to hear. When the choice for music that I want to hear is low res. or nothing at all, I think it is wise to choose low res.

Here is a video I like. Julia has not recorded this work for a commercial CD.

my blog: http://carsmusicandnature.blogspot.com/

 

Excellent, posted on April 10, 2014 at 19:15:37
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 Thanks
Gsquared

 

RE: and ne from me, posted on April 10, 2014 at 21:18:58
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 That's really nice. I added it to my "Watch Later" playlist so I can play it from my HDTV through my main stereo system. I love the violin.

My favorite instrument is the clarinet, though. One of my favorite clarinetists is Pete Fountain. Here is one of his performances.

 

RE: and ne from me, posted on April 10, 2014 at 21:27:33
Bob_C
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 Magic with reeds...

 

and another, posted on April 10, 2014 at 22:47:40
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 nt
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RE: and another, posted on April 10, 2014 at 23:30:36
John Elison
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 I like them a lot better when there's a video performance to go along with the audio?

 

It is noteworthy that, posted on April 11, 2014 at 00:08:23
fmak
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 HiDef buyers and listeners who prefer its better SQ do not cast doubt or post against those those who buy lower def because of taste or budget.

The reverse is not true and there is reverse snobbishness that seem to compel some to post like this. (which adds nothing to computer audio quality)

There is another poster who owns quite a few higher end dacs and who says that 2496 is adequate for him. Fine, but why do these inmates keep repeating this kind of personal preference as though others are being picky or whatever?

 

a video, posted on April 11, 2014 at 00:18:05
Old Listener
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 nt
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When did you last..., posted on April 11, 2014 at 00:42:12
Old Listener
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 see your sense of humor? I can't recall your ever displaying it on this forum.

I reported what I had bought since the first of the year. I said nothing about anyone else's experience.

Look at the other posts in this thread. Abe expressed a humorous idea based on my OP. Some people built on the humorous idea Abe started. Other people posted links to music they enjoy in a low res. form. A positive and humorous thread. Rare on this forum now.

And then you chime in with the same old stuff.


my blog: http://carsmusicandnature.blogspot.com/

 

RE: When did you last...My sense, posted on April 11, 2014 at 03:32:49
fmak
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 of humour does not extend to posts aimed at reflecting negatively on the needs and benefits for high resolution audio.

 

Actually in Hi Rez and sounding good to me, posted on April 11, 2014 at 06:27:48
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 Take this recommendation with a grain of salt as I am a classical music novice, but I like track 33.
Gsquared

 

RE: High Def. and reality for me, posted on April 11, 2014 at 08:19:33
ted_b
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 I own a boatload of both redbook and hirez (PCM and DSD). I have found that I buy hirez for one of four reasons (in this order):
1) the mastering and quality of the recording is much better. This is the majority of what my hirez favorites are all about. Kidd glove treatment on reissues like AP, Opus 3, etc. (Kinda like finding that more expensive suit and realizing that not only is the fabric nicer..but the darn suit is just better made.). The corollary to this is that when you find the same kind of treatment given to a redbook recording, buy it!
2) the remastering to hirez does indeed bring out better resolution, detail, timbre or all of the above. This is true for most of the analog-to-DSD jazz reissues I own.
3) my DAC has a sweetspot at a certain sample rate or format, so buying true hirez (not upsamples; I could do that myself) at that sample rate ensures best playback.
4) I am a collector of sorts, so I will often try to obtain the last pieces of a collection (RCA Living Stereo, AP Blue Note, etc). Stupid reason, but its reality.

This does not mean all hirez is on my radar. Much of it is faux and a ripoff, especially if the source is not known. Funny how that happens.

By the way, one way to ensure good hirez purchasing is to first start with the guys that do native hirez recordings....RR, MA Recordings, Soundkeeper, BlueCoast, Sound Liason, etc. Some styles may not be to your liking, but that kind of stuff is easily identifiable via samples.

 

RE: High Def. and reality for me, posted on April 11, 2014 at 09:35:29
Presto
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 This experience mirrors mine exactly. I have maybe a dozen high-rez albums and I don't play them often. Some of it was extracted from DVD-A and some of it is from AIX records.

98% of my collection is 16/44.1.

I also have a few DVD-V music concerts extracted at 16/48 because my current crossover system has a latency delay so it can't be used for watching video material (unless one can tolerate syncing issues and I can't).

Cheers,
Presto

 

RE: High Def. and reality for me, posted on April 11, 2014 at 10:18:06
Mercman
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 Like the Old Listener, I have many 16/44.1 files that I enjoy. I also have a mountain of hi-res PCM and DSD. When everything is done right, and you guys know what I mean by this, I feel that the hi-res and DSD are superior sounding to CD quality. But in no way does CD quality diminish my ultimate enjoyment of the music.

 

RE: High Def. and reality for me, posted on April 11, 2014 at 11:00:13
Bob_C
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 "Like the Old Listener, I have many 16/44.1 files that I enjoy. I also have a mountain of hi-res PCM and DSD. When everything is done right, and you guys know what I mean by this, I feel that the hi-res and DSD are superior sounding to CD quality. But in no way does CD quality diminish my ultimate enjoyment of the music."

I do not have a DSD DAC yet, but feel exactly the same way.

 

RE: a video, posted on April 11, 2014 at 11:50:37
John Elison
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 My kind of music!

Here's an old one of Pete. Lawrence Welk's son discovered Pete.

 

Fully agree - and I don't even own a single hi-def file. N/T, posted on April 11, 2014 at 11:56:32
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 N/T

 

RE: High Def. and reality for me, posted on April 11, 2014 at 12:04:19
Recorder
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 I totally agree.

I am a classical music fan and while I prefer hi-res when I can get it in good sound quality and performance quality, I often cannot find the music I want in hi-res. Most of the hi-rez classical available is of the standard "war horses" and I already have a good collection of those in redbook. I am at a stage where I am exploring good, but less well known composers, such as George Lloyd, Arnold Bax, Hovhaness, Korngold, Rodrigo, Dohnanyi, Kalliwoda, Reicha, Castelnuovo-Tedesco and Casella, as well as less well-known works by the "Grand Masters", such as Bizet's Roma. With few exceptions, such music is just not available in hi-rez. I wish it were.

Cheers,
Bill

 

RE: When did you last..., posted on April 11, 2014 at 12:52:46
Bob_C
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 "Abe expressed a humorous idea based on my OP."

Actually was not that funny. Can be taken more like just another dig...

 

+1. N/T, posted on April 11, 2014 at 13:02:38
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 N/T

 

RE: When did you last..., posted on April 11, 2014 at 13:25:42
Old Listener
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 > Can be taken more like just another dig...

Or not. Your choice.
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What about your "audiophile bullies" - how much freedom of choice is there?, posted on April 11, 2014 at 13:30:54
carcass93
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 Is that a manifestation of your great sense of humor?

 

RE: and ne from me, posted on April 11, 2014 at 13:34:08
Old Listener
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 After I listened to your Pete Fountain video, I Googled for "clarinet big band leader". I was looking for big band clarinetists like Goodman, Shaw and Herman. On a Clarinet-now.com page, I found a video of Sabine Meyer and Julian Bliss playing a movement from a Krommer concerto for two clarinets.

Threads like this are great for sharing info on what you like and getting ideas from other people. Thanks for giving me some discoveries.


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RE: What about your "audiophile bullies" - how much freedom of choice is there?, posted on April 11, 2014 at 14:12:26
Old Listener
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 You quoted 2 words from this post

"I guess that I need to bulk up on Reference Recordings and HDTracks downloads so that the audiophile bullies won't kick sand (silicon) in my face."

It refers to a classic ad.
my blog: http://carsmusicandnature.blogspot.com/

 

Excellent link! Thank you! /nt\, posted on April 11, 2014 at 15:17:22
John Elison
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That's pretty weak. These were your words, from your post - correct?, posted on April 11, 2014 at 15:24:31
carcass93
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 As I said before, "audiophile bullies" seems to be a derogatory term for those who disagree with your views.

 

RE: That's pretty weak. These were your words, from your post - correct?, posted on April 11, 2014 at 15:35:58
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 These were my words:

"I guess that I need to bulk up on Reference Recordings and HDTracks downloads so that the audiophile bullies won't kick sand (silicon) in my face."

I referred to the classic ad in my previous post. The word bullies clearly comes from the idea in the ad and the word "audiophile" relates the idea to the first part of the sentence about buying high-def, recordings.

I've explained what I wrote at length. If you choose to see "a derogatory term", that's your problem.

my blog: http://carsmusicandnature.blogspot.com/

 

RE: Excellent link! Thank you! /nt\, posted on April 11, 2014 at 16:04:15
Old Listener
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 This has been a fruitful and (mostly) enjoyable thread for me.

Thinking about clarinetists lead me to play the Artie Shaw Begin the Beguine album. Great stuff from first to last track.

It's all a reminder of the pleasure of listening to music that originated on 78s, LPs, CDs, high res. downloads and even MP3s and YouTube videos. I'd say that computer audio is a great way to access all kinds of music. That fact that you can go looking for one recording and find dozens of other recordings is a huge benefit.

a couple of Fats Waller links:

Fats Waller - Ain't Misbehavin' - Stormy Weather (1943)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSNPpssruFY

and the one linked below that has some good clarinet playing toward the end.

my blog: http://carsmusicandnature.blogspot.com/

 

+1*, posted on April 13, 2014 at 02:39:48
agattu
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