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50s Bartok Quartet cycle with the Juilliard Remastered by Pristine: Fantastic

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Posted on September 11, 2016 at 14:55:01






I've mentioned numerous times that this early Bartok cycle is one of my absolute favorite discoveries from the mono era.

From a performance POV, what I find most gratifying is the group's comfort with the music's complex rhythms and oft-changing meter; never does their playing sound ill-at-ease.

Humor--dark or otherwise--is caught, as well as the sadness, chilliness, folksiness, and ardor of Bartok's incredible scores. The Juilliard's slip in and out of each mood seamlessly without sounding slick. Only in the 4th Quartet does their edge-of-seat playing lapse into raggedness.

From a recording POV, the Lps I've owned were exceptionally vivid, a bit of congestion notwithstanding. IIRC, the performances were recorded directly onto massive discs and the excellent mono sound is so rock solid that it often seems nailed to the floor.

Coming from vinyl, Pristine's 24 bit "ambient stereo" processing was just a touch distracting at first hearing because it didn't feel as stable.

Once my ear adjusted though, the positive attributes of the mastering made themselves abundantly clear: much more space around the players and much less claustrophobia between the music's densest lines.

So go with the LPs or Remaster?

Comparing with Pristine, I'd still give the vinyl a slight edge when it comes to startling, uncanny realism at times, (those string snaps!), but overall, the Pristine set still gets me in that special "zone", just in a different way.

Here's the problem: if you want to early cycle on Lp, you'll have to deal with Columbia Blue label or 6 eye vinyl, which can be noisy. (They quit pressing the early cycle when the new, stereo set came along, featuring all the same players except for the cellist.) You can find quiet copies, but it will take a bit of work and patience.

In any case, and whatever your background, if you like these quartets, I'd highly recommend at least trying the 5th and 6th, available as one 24bit download at Pristine for around $15. If you still do CDs, Pearl offers the set as well, but it may be hard to find these days.

I'm not familiar with current cycles; the DGG Emerson's and Decca Takac's Quarets were my last modern outings. I'd love to know your thoughts on the latest releases, esp those in hi res.

 

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Pristine is of course known for their "interventionist" approach to re-mastering, posted on September 11, 2016 at 15:40:28
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I have to say that I'm not familiar with too many of Pristine's offerings, although I've listened to a fair number of samples on their site. Thanks for the write-up on their mono Julliard Bartok Quartets.

Of the current cycles, the one I own is the one by the Parkanyi Quartet on the Praga label (SACD format - I'm sure it must be available as a download somewhere too). In multi-channel, it's absolutely beautifully recorded, although I can imagine that the sheer beauty of the Parkanyi's (and Praga's) presentation may not be consistent with the edgy and, at times, expressionistic aesthetic of Bartok's music - at least for some listeners. A nice bonus with this set is its inclusion of the Quartet No. 3 by Leo Weiner, a very worthwhile work in is own right. (BTW, I'm far from an unqualified admirer or the Bartok quartets, despite their prominence in various official lists of "certified great music of the 20th century" - but that's probably another discussion!)

 

Thanks for that fine review, posted on September 11, 2016 at 18:09:37
IMHO, for most 78-era or even very early LP-era mono records like these, the Pristine remastering is a major improvement, even if some digital artifacts are audible.
As for the differences between this early mono cycle and the later stereo one, they are significant, even though the only difference in personnel is that the cellist in the mono one is Arthur Winograd and in the stereo his successor Claus Adam. Adam is a precision ensemble player, not lifeless or mechanical by any means but far from the aggressive, free-spirited Winograd. It makes for a very different overall feel.

 

Have you heard the Vegh on Telefunken LP?, posted on September 11, 2016 at 19:10:10
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Very good.

Also the Prazak cycle on Praga SACD.

 

Not the Prazak - the Parkanyi - see my post below, posted on September 11, 2016 at 19:18:57
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The Prazak Quartet is of course a mainstay of the Praga catalogue, but in the case of the Bartok Quartets, Praga used the Parkanyi Quartet.

 

RE: 50s Bartok Quartet cycle with the Juilliard Remastered by Pristine: Fantastic, posted on September 11, 2016 at 19:57:08
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Well personally, I like that early mono set on vinyl. But then, I'm not obsessed with hi rez.
"Life without music is a mistake" (Nietzsche)

 

RE: Whoops. Thanks Chris. [nt], posted on September 11, 2016 at 20:14:19
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Yes, on Telefunken and Valois. Against all the odds and pedigree, too soft-edged. , posted on September 11, 2016 at 22:40:02
I've put the set away and tried it off and on for years, but can't get into it.

There's an older mono Vegh set, which I haven't heard, that is supposed to be a bit more wild.

 

Glad you can hear what I'm hearing. What a gift Bartok left us. nt, posted on September 11, 2016 at 22:43:55
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I prefer the Hungarian or Tatrai, posted on September 12, 2016 at 02:52:56
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The Juilliard are very fine, but I think you can go better.

Better for me is either the Hungarian Qt. or the Tatrai. I went through an exhausting process of listening to a whole bunch of different versions.

My listening preference is not for drama, tension, and excitement in itself, or for any added "passion". What I listen for is how much the music makes sense purely as music - melody, harmony, inner logic, if that makes sense.

The Tatrai and Hungarian quartets are very close to this music - they "get it". Two very intelligent and idiomatic readings. Hungarian is more lyrical, Tatrai is very focussed and the architecture and flow is very clear. Hard to choose. Hungarians have a closer and more immediate recording, Tatrai more dry and a more medium perspective.

In many places with the Tatrai you think - "that's exactly right - how could you phrase it any differently?", and then in other places you feel the same way about the Hungarians. I'd probably give the nod to the Tatrai - whatever recordings you eventually choose, do hear this one - I think it's really special.

Tatrai - Hungaraton 1966
Hungarian - DG 1962

 

Thanks, will give them another listen. I actually imprinted on the Hungaroton (sp) Takacs and DGG Hungarian. , posted on September 12, 2016 at 08:28:25
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Hey, Andy - you're undermining jdaniel's resolve!, posted on September 12, 2016 at 10:49:59
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I mean, he just gave up vinyl, and now he has access to all these post-1985 recordings. And you're sending him back to the 60's for the Bartok quartets? C'mon, man - give him some time to catch up! ;-)

 

The Tatrai - not the Takacs!, posted on September 12, 2016 at 15:06:28
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I'm talking about the Tatrai Quartet here on |Hungaroton from 1966 - not the Takacs. That's quite different.

The Tatrai isn't easy to find, but it is available and probably around $50 or so. I bought the CDs because I just had to have them, and I wanted the CD quality not an MP3 download.

 

Tatrai, Talich and Vegh, posted on September 13, 2016 at 05:55:55
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I have been avidly collecting Bartok Quartets on vinyl for the past 2 years. It is by far and away my favorite music. To date, I have about 15 different complete sets on vinyl.

While each set has it's plus and minuses, my top 3 are as follows:

1. Tatrai (Hungaraton original or re-issue on Japanese King)
2. Talich (Supraphon)
3. Vegh (Valois or Telefunken, yes there is a sonic difference between the 2)

The Tatrai and Talich are very raw and earthy in my opinion. They bring life to the music and throw you into the pit of emotion. Whereas the Vegh is a less visceral reading, it does have excellent sonics and the bassist performance is 2nd to none. The Telefunken issue of Vegh is more pristine and aggressive, from a sonic point of view compared to the Vegh.

The Japanese King reissue of Tatrai has excellent sonics and the explosive dynamics allow the listener to be fully engaged at all times. The Hungaraton original is warmer, but less explosive and has more surface noise. The King re-issue is dead quiet.

Talich on Supraphon has very good, not great, sonic value and the surface noise is acceptable. The playing by Talich is very eastern European, to my ears, and has a grittiness that is quite emotional. Raw and textural.

Here are some photos of the LPs. I couldn't find a good King re-issue photo, as it is very rare to find on LP.

If you have any questions about my other LP sets, please let me know. I really enjoy Bartok. I am also a huge Shostakovich quartet fan and collector.

Pat









 

RE: I prefer the Hungarian or Tatrai, posted on September 13, 2016 at 06:45:32
One day as a college student, I entered our music building lobby and headed towards the practice rooms upstairs, greeted by the usually cacophony of instrumental noise. Somewhere in the din I noticed a Bartok string quartet (no. 4, maybe?) I stopped, thinking, that sounds well beyond what any of my classmates are capable of doing.
It was the New Hungarian Quartet in the recital hall, giving a free recital. The violist carried over from the original Hungarian quartet. They made a lot of records for Vox, including a complete Bartok cycle.

 

I know them well, but please do try the 1st Juilliard cycle. in a class by itself. nt, posted on September 13, 2016 at 07:53:30
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RE: I know them well, but please do try the 1st Juilliard cycle. in a class by itself. nt, posted on September 13, 2016 at 08:11:11
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I do have the Julliard 1st cycle on Columbia mono. But the darn LPs are way too noisy to enjoy. Maybe you could just sell me yours, or better yet, trade! ;-)

 

RE: I know them well, but please do try the 1st Juilliard cycle. in a class by itself. nt, posted on September 13, 2016 at 08:24:59
Actually, the Pearl CDs are fabulous, though understand if you want to avoid.

 

RE: Tatrai, Talich and Vegh, posted on September 24, 2016 at 06:29:25
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Great choices. Nothing like the Tatrai Quartet, also the best Beethoven of the Middle quarters and OP130 I have ever heard. Briefly available on TElfunken reissue in mono. Think the first Takas set of Bartok on the old non-museum borrowed instruments is also great..Never much cared for the Julliard and the Hungarian QT one the model, is a bit too tepid.

 

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