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Posted on January 31, 2016 at 16:22:58
ahendler
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Last night at the San Antonio symphony concert we heard the Barber violin concerto played by Eric Gratz. In a pre concert interview he mentioned that in the end of the last movement he is playing 12 notes per second. The tempo is set for 192 bits per second. If you have not heard this piece and our a fan of virtuoso violin playing give it a liston
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One of my favorites...., posted on January 31, 2016 at 16:57:59
Ivan303
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Like the CD pictured above, have no idea if it's that fast or not?

Fellow 'Curtis-ite' Hilary Hahn's version is a favorite of mine as well.





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RE: Gratz? I thought it was Clifford Brown played like that. nt, posted on January 31, 2016 at 17:30:06

 

RE: One of my favorites...., posted on January 31, 2016 at 18:36:00
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Saw him in concert. Really a great artist
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I'd have to say he's probably about my favorite 'living' violinist these days..., posted on January 31, 2016 at 19:09:35
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I like a bit of the above in my violin playing. =:-0

Not TOO much, but a bit of that Eastern European emotional content; or Israeli 'soul' if you will. I can listen to Perlman play ANYTHING for HOURS on end, music I might no otherwise care about and still enjoy it.

Even my most favorite violinist of all time, David Oistrakh, had just a touch of it in his playing while Heifetz, as good as he was had not a drop. :-(



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I think I know all the available recordings of that piece; Elmar Oliveira's is still the best for me, posted on January 31, 2016 at 19:15:26
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And, with all due respect, you have to take the MM markings with a grain of salt.

Barber accepted a commission from a rich industrialist to write a concerto for his protege, and they thought the first two movements were too lyrical and not virtuoso enough, and so Barber apparently passive-aggressively for the third movement gave them what they said they wanted, and then they cried foul, and money might have been at stake.

So Barber grabbed a Curtis student at random and two days (or some short interval; I first heard this story nearly 40 years ago and it is in print in many places) later the random kid could play the third movement.

But at the end of the day, I myself (and we all know that I sleep under a bridge and keep warm by sucking Sterno® from a sock), think that it is more important to make the concerto hang together as a whole, than to obey a MM indication that might have been little more than a "Fuck you and your money."

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Not a word about the slow mov't though?? : ), posted on January 31, 2016 at 20:22:08
One of the most beautiful, wistful utterances of the 20th C.

 

Amen, amen, and amen. YT + Link, posted on January 31, 2016 at 21:14:01
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Elmar and Arturo Delmoni can duke it out for, Most Under-rated American-Born Violinist.

Whereas, John Marks deserves his obscurity, and richly; but, he loves this movement--perhaps the greatest of all vln cto slow movements???

OK, LvB's Lutheran-Chorale slow mvt is a real grabber, too.

ATB,

John

 

Have it..., posted on January 31, 2016 at 21:33:05
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First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

Was my first exosure to the VC way back when. I bought the CD for the Hanson, posted on February 1, 2016 at 08:03:01
These days I have Stern/Bernstein on Columbia Lp.

Not bad.

 

Mine on LP [nt], posted on February 1, 2016 at 10:25:11
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"Life without music is a mistake" (Nietzsche)

 

+2, posted on February 1, 2016 at 15:23:40
I once heard a fantastic performance by Jaime Laredo with the Chicago Symphony. A hugely underrated violinist, imho.

 

RE: Not a word about the slow mov't though?? : ), posted on February 1, 2016 at 18:29:14
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I wasn't doing a review of the concerto. Just the virtuosity in the 3rd movement. I agree with you. The slow movement is really beautiful
Alan

 

RE: Not a word about the slow mov't though?? : ), posted on February 1, 2016 at 18:34:03
No problem, didn't want to hijack thread. Do you know Barber's Piano Concerto? The 3rd mov'ts a pretty wild ride too.

And another gorgeous slow mov't to boot!

 

RE: Not a word about the slow mov't though?? : ), posted on February 1, 2016 at 19:46:32
ahendler
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I have not heard it. Will give it a listen
Alan

 

Oh man, you're in for a treat. nt, posted on February 1, 2016 at 20:13:22
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192 bits per second- I think you mean 192 Beats per minute... nt, posted on February 1, 2016 at 23:50:29
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Rachel Barton Pine in Barber Concerto, posted on February 2, 2016 at 03:39:01
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxmcJYBKFmM

Yes, she's playing 192 beats/minute at the end. Her whole performance of this piece is one of the best I've heard--all three movements are easily located on YouTube.

 

RE: 192 bits per second- I think you mean 192 Beats per minute... nt, posted on February 2, 2016 at 08:34:02
ahendler
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Sorry. This digital stuff has me disoriented
Alan

 

Insert Smiley -Face here! Fast is fast....nt, posted on February 2, 2016 at 08:37:11
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RE: I'd have to say he's probably about my favorite 'living' violinist these days..., posted on February 2, 2016 at 17:08:12
ahendler
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I also like quite a lot Vadim Repin
Alan

 

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