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JJ's new Album - she's looking old on the cover

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Posted on November 9, 2015 at 13:00:47
Chris from Lafayette
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 "Had we but world enough and time. . . " as Andrew Marvell used to say.

OTOH, she doesn't look bad for an older woman (Ouch! She's only four years older than my kids):



Hi-rez (24/96) downloads are already available - I'll probably check it out, even though I'm not a fan of Pappano.

 

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Stand Aside, Peter Pan, she looks good to me., posted on November 9, 2015 at 15:34:26
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 I'll handle things, from here on...

 

LOL! - OK - will do, but. . . , posted on November 9, 2015 at 15:51:19
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 . . . I had to get an objective opinion, and Madeline says that even with all the presumable Photoshop enhancements in the cover photo, she thinks Janine looks about 40-45 in that pic, not her actual age of 37. She's probably been grabbing for a lot of gusto in life, and she's burning out fast!

Think I'll wait and see what the babe violinist conveyor belt brings us in the next few months! ;-)

 

OMG, she is SO old., posted on November 9, 2015 at 15:51:20
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 Maybe she's over thirty.

It's a real shame.


"If people don't want to come, nothing will stop them" - Sol Hurok

 

Different strokes, posted on November 9, 2015 at 17:21:47
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 I think it is a stunning picture.

 

RE: JJ's new Album - she's looking old on the cover, posted on November 9, 2015 at 18:39:05
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 Another unnecessary sexist comment. If it was a man you would never make that comment.
Alan

 

RE: JJ's new Album - she's looking old on the cover, posted on November 9, 2015 at 19:12:29
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Thanks for posting! It's on Tidal, and I expect to give it a listen tonight.

 

I wish you would find a different forum for comments like this, posted on November 10, 2015 at 00:26:28
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 Very tiresome.

 

Hi, Mark - In case you and Alan haven't noticed. . . , posted on November 10, 2015 at 00:43:40
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 . . . a big part of the classical recording business and marketing strategy these days, particularly for the major labels, is concerned with how photogenic their artists are. I'm merely a dispassionate observer who finds a bit of humor in it all. So don't complain to me - complain to DG and Decca instead. But somehow, I doubt that they'll listen to you - after all, they don't want to jeopardize sales. ;-)

 

Not much has changed., posted on November 10, 2015 at 01:50:06
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In the nineteenth century they used to market superficial pretty boys with great technical chops.

 

"A clever craftsman without a vestige of talent." nt, posted on November 10, 2015 at 06:11:27
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RE: Not much has changed., posted on November 10, 2015 at 07:15:04
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Indeed!


First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: Hi, Mark - In case you and Alan haven't noticed. . . , posted on November 10, 2015 at 07:45:53
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 That's no excuse for your comments. Stop already.
Alan

 

Chris..., posted on November 10, 2015 at 08:36:05
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 Illegitimi non carborundum.

 

RE: JJ's new Album - she's looking old on the cover, posted on November 10, 2015 at 08:55:39
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 Funny how the anti-babe contingent are attracted to these threads like bears to honey, and are somehow compelled to read through and then comment on things that are hateful to them. Surely they have better things to do. They get so tiresome.

 

Chris, you've posted over 100 "babe" messages to this forum, posted on November 10, 2015 at 09:57:30
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 I'd say your "dispassionate observer" status expired after the first dozen.

 

Well said, and oh so true! *, posted on November 10, 2015 at 09:58:11
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It's very odd indeed, posted on November 10, 2015 at 10:07:37
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 Someone averages fewer than 10 posts per year since initial registration on the site, and yet this subject must hit a nerve in such forceful way that the respondent is seized with an uncontrollable compulsion to advertise his boredom with the subject. So for that same poster, there was a response once in September about this subject and now again in November: those two posts represent 20% of his average number of posts for a whole year!

As I mentioned before, usually when I post about babe musicians, the post consists of a graphic plus a short text which can be read in five seconds. If the folks who are offended feel that these posts are a five-second waste of their lives each time, I'd encourage them to skip reading as soon as they see the subject line. Otherwise, their responses become predictable and. . .

Very tiresome. ;-)

 

True, but there's a lot of dispassionate observing to do, posted on November 10, 2015 at 10:21:07
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 Not to mention that those "over 100" babe musician posts are out of a sum of over 7,000 posts, and thus represent barely over 1% of my total. Also consider that some of those "over 100" posts are defenses of babe musicians against the slings and arrows of responding posters who would disparage them. ;-)

 

Alan - you're just being too literal, posted on November 10, 2015 at 10:23:54
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 Please take my posts in the ironic spirit in which they were intended. ;-)

 

Yes, but I prefer this craftsman to the originator of that comment, posted on November 10, 2015 at 10:31:00
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 Maybe I'm delusional, but I hear such depth to so much of Liszt's music, and it's hard for me to reconcile comments from the peanut gallery about him. Some of it is pure ignorance, such as Ezra Pound's amateurish assertion that Liszt didn't know much about chords {!}. I swear, if anybody knew about chords, it was Liszt!

(Not that I don't like Chopin too!)

 

RE: Very tiresome..., posted on November 10, 2015 at 10:37:49
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The way the music labels promote women as classical musicians is indeed...

Very tiresome.




First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

Well, those who respond in a negative way to my "babe" posts. . . , posted on November 10, 2015 at 10:38:23
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 . . . seem awfully passionate about the subject, and I respect that. ;-)

 

It's "odd" that I'm tired of your babe posts because I don't post very often?, posted on November 10, 2015 at 11:16:31
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 That makes no sense.

 

Well, if that's the case ..., posted on November 10, 2015 at 11:36:09
rbolaw
 there's no point in arguing with you about all the babe posts. The funny thing is, when I post pictures of a competent but unspectacular Italian soprano who happens to be stacked, you listen to some of her recordings and report that you find her to be a competent but unspectacular soprano. I guess when it comes to irony, you have a transmitter but not a receiver. ;-)

 

Yes, but it's not the label., posted on November 10, 2015 at 11:50:49
rbolaw
 Anne Sophie Mutter knows exactly what she's doing, and what she's doing is all business and economic self-promotion. Most women in business today know better than to let themselves be exploited and then tossed aside when they pass 30. She in particular has done a good job handling her professional career.

 

RE: Well, those who respond in a negative way to my "babe" posts. . . , posted on November 10, 2015 at 11:50:58
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 You don't respect that because if you did you would stop. Maybe you were brought up to disrespect women and that is what you continue to do.
Alan

 

RE: Alan - you're just being too literal, posted on November 10, 2015 at 11:53:02
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 I won't and nobody should
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If that wasn't a DG label, I might agree..., posted on November 10, 2015 at 12:27:45
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That said, DG is the worst offender when it comes to 'babe' musicians on the cover.

And yes, Ann-Sophie Mutter pulled every string available, including playing HvK like a mandolin and so on, to make it to the top.

But her Sibelius VC is as good as anyone's, so there is that.

By the way, what's Andre Previn got that I ain't got?


First they came for the dumb-asses
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Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: Alan - you're just being too literal, posted on November 10, 2015 at 12:32:20
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 The "major label" defense seems more than a bit disingenuous to me. Are there threads here about pictures on Decca and DG covers of, say, Joshua Bell, Pierre Boulez, Joseph Calleja, Rolando Villazon, Gustavo Dudamel, Misha Maisky (complete with open shirt and hairy chest:) and so forth...? I think not.

I'm not passing judgment at all. Lord knows that I also like attractive and sexy women and have been known to do my share of objectifying them. And this is definitely what is going on-- let's be honest. If the shoes fit, we should all be ready to man up, as they say, and wear them.

Harry

 

RE: JJ's new Album - she's looking old on the cover, posted on November 10, 2015 at 12:48:14
David Smith
 You think everybody is commenting?

Dave

 

Talk about irony. . . , posted on November 10, 2015 at 13:11:12
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 As far as respect goes, I've seen a number of posts on these babe musician threads where posters exhibit a shoot from the hip attitude to the effect that if the performers are photogenic, then their interpretations can't possibly be any good - that somehow, they must have gotten their recording contracts just by virtue of their physical attractiveness. As a listener here who has ACTUALLY HEARD these babe-musician recordings, I'm often in a position to point out the scurrilous nature of these anti-babe posts - which I'm proud to do. Respect indeed!

 

Well by all means, let me explain. . . , posted on November 10, 2015 at 13:18:08
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 You have a small number of comments that you posted here on AA over the years. A significant percentage of those posts is devoted to being outraged at my babe musician posts, while just over 1% of my total posts are devoted to babe musicians. So. . . yes, I think that's odd. Does it make sense now?

 

32 posts and counting..., posted on November 10, 2015 at 13:47:24
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Speaking only for myself, I'm somewhat torn betwixt positions here.

One the one hand, I really feel the record labels are focusing on the WRONG issue when promoting their musicians, ie. youth and beauty.

Particularly with young women but even in the case of some of the guys.

But it's been going on for as long as I can remember and that's a long time.

On the other side, if that's indeed what is being sold and promoted by the labels, I guess I can't get too offended when someone dares to comment on the trend.

Commenting on Yuja Wang's style of dress and choice of 4 inch heels is hardly rude.

As the picture above reminds us and I often am forced to remind Chris, they were all young and beautiful once upon a time.






First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

"The 'major label' defense seems more than a bit disingenuous to me", posted on November 10, 2015 at 13:48:21
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 Really? Hard to believe.

This whole objectification discussion certainly has its place in society as a whole, but it's hard for me to take it seriously in an enterprise as dependent on its "show business" aspects as music (even classical music) is. But for those who are seriously offended by the "objectification" of musical performers, the answer is obvious: don't look at them! Meanwhile, those of us in the real world will continue to feel free to comment on the visual aspects of the music biz too. And, BTW, I can't listen to Misha Maisky's recordings - I keep thinking about his hairy chest and it distracts me from my concentration on the music! ;-)

One last thing: I think your mention of Dudamel doesn't further your argument, since DG markets him as a kind of matinee idol, just as Sony did with Esa-Pekka Salonen before The Dude (at least in LA). And as I've posted before, DG's marketing of Yundi Li (oops! I mean Yundi!) is every bit as obvious in its of promotion of sex appeal (including full color "pictorials" in the CD booklets) as their marketing of any of their female artists.

 

Now it's 35, posted on November 10, 2015 at 13:51:04
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 I know you're tryin' to learn me, but, dang-it, sometimes I'm just not an apt student. ;-)

 

Good for you, David!, posted on November 10, 2015 at 13:55:08
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 . . . although I have the feeling that, if you did comment, your comments would be more formidable than what we've seen so far on this thread! ;-)

 

RE: "The 'major label' defense seems more than a bit disingenuous to me", posted on November 10, 2015 at 14:03:00
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 With all due respect, I think you miss my point. Perhaps I was not clear. To argue that the major labels use sex to sell CDs is what I meant as disingenuous; the threads here have only been about "babes" but never about men on CD covers. This is certainly because the overwhelming majority of us who post here are men. And still, to scapegoat the record labels because they objectify artists is not much of an excuse, it seems to me. I don't think this is just a matter of pointing out what the labels are doing; we all have eyes. The threads are a relatively constant flow of "babe alert" photos, followed by posts about the relative talent of the musicians. The argument that, in essence, "they all do it so we're just following their lead" is just more obfuscation. I'm not a puritan at all, and that's not the point. This isn't quite like using sexy women to sell cars or cigarettes, but close enough to my mind to qualify as starfucking or kiddie porn:)

 

RE: Talk about irony. . . , posted on November 10, 2015 at 14:04:23
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 You really believe you are on the correct side of this issue. What is stopping you from simply saying I see the point of view that I am insulting women and not wanting to do that I will stop the babe posts. Even some southerners have seen how hurtful the confederate flag is and are taking it down. Do the same
Alan

 

RE: Alan - you're just being too literal, posted on November 10, 2015 at 14:04:47
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"That's Mischa Maisky, M I S C H A!"

"And that's not chest hair. That's a SOLID GOLD necklace I wear under my open shirt collar when I'm not playing my Cello in a 'wife beater' T-shirt!"




First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: Good for you, David!, posted on November 10, 2015 at 14:05:03
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 Including your own
Alan

 

RE: Now it's 35, posted on November 10, 2015 at 14:14:03
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 From the Daily Mail.com

TOP 20 HATED PET NAMES FOR WOMEN.
1. Babe
2. Sweet cheeks
3. Snookums
4. Baby doll
5. Baby girl
6. Muffin
7. Ducky
8. Baby cakes
9. Sexy pants
10. Pudding
11. Muffin
12. Angel pie
13. Pumpkin
14. Puppy
15. Sugar lips
16. Treacle
17. Baby
18. Pickle
19. Honeybun
20. Sugar pie

TOP 20 ACCEPTABLE PET NAMES FOR WOMEN1.
1. Gorgeous
2. Beautiful
3. Lovely
4. Love
5. Darling
6. Honey
7. Sexy
8. Angel
9. Dearest
10. Precious
11. Treasure
12. Snowflake
13. Blossom
14. Sweetie Pie
15. Sexy legs
16. Lover
17. Buttercup
18. Flower
19. Princess
20. Sweetness
Alan


 

You are grasping at straws, posted on November 10, 2015 at 14:23:12
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 I'm tired of your "babe" posts because you have posted over 100 of them to this forum. This has nothing to do with how many times you or I have posted on other topics.

 

Thanks Alan..., posted on November 10, 2015 at 14:25:25
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 Just thinking how much better off I'd be today if you had just shared that list with me 50 or so years ago when it would have done me some good!


First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

Oh c'mon, Chris!, posted on November 10, 2015 at 14:26:39
rbolaw
 I didn't complain about your "babe" posts, and I'm still not. But if you keep making them, you've got to accept the inevitable responses like a mensch (pardon the colloquialism). Comes with the territory.
One poster above was pointing out the number of your copiously illustrated babe posts, which he apparently feels is unduly large, and a second was saying you weren't being sufficiently respectful of women. Neither was saying the babes themselves weren't worthy musicians. I don't necessarily agree with them, but it seems like you're getting your nose out of joint over nothing. As you just said, "talk about irony!" It runs both ways.

 

+1 except 40 years. nt, posted on November 10, 2015 at 14:34:42
rbolaw

 

You are tired of my posts, therefore I am grasping at straws - got it! [nt] ;-), posted on November 10, 2015 at 14:36:20
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"close enough to my mind to qualify as starfucking or kiddie porn", posted on November 10, 2015 at 14:38:32
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 Wow!. . . just. . . Wow!

So my OP on this thread makes an observation that JJ is looking a bit older on her new booklet cover than her 37 years. And from this, you get kiddie porn?

As I say, Wow!. . . just. . . Wow!

 

Unbelieveable! So this is like displaying the Confederate flag?, posted on November 10, 2015 at 14:40:26
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 What world do you live in?

What is stopping you from simply saying I see the point of view that I am insulting women and not wanting to do that I will stop the babe posts.

I do see your point of view and I see that it's political correctness run amok! But perhaps as a temporary expedient (so as not to offend delicate sensibilities), I 'll use the term "snowflake violinist" (formerly known as babe violinist).

You have a degree of arrogance in flattering yourself that you speak for all women.

 

RE: Good for you, David!, posted on November 10, 2015 at 14:45:37
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 I see I should have been more explicit, and the comment should have read:

. . . although I have the feeling that, if you did comment, your comments would be more formidable than what we've seen so far from the offendees on this thread! ;-)

 

I'm sure that list was very scientifically derived, but. . . , posted on November 10, 2015 at 14:50:13
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 Maybe it's a Brit thing?

All I know is, my wife is most offended when someone in public calls her "Honey". So my anecdotal experience doesn't square with the Daily Mail's careful research. ;-)

OTOH, maybe they're right and I should be referring to Snowflake violinists?

 

Roy - I invite you to compare my OP in this thread. . . , posted on November 10, 2015 at 15:31:52
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 . . . with the somewhat hysterical responses of the offendees (confederate flag, kiddie porn, etc.), and then determine who is getting their noses out of joint. There might be some irony that runs both ways, but to say that it's equivalent on both sides is clearly unfair.

 

You'll have to explain that to me, posted on November 10, 2015 at 15:37:55
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 The irony is passing right over my head.

 

OK, my friend. It's all good., posted on November 10, 2015 at 16:46:14
rbolaw
 Really, anyone who is willing and able to perform the piano reduction of the Nielsen flute concerto, on short notice no less, has my respect and admiration. But I'll have to pass on your suggestion that I reread the posts in this thread. I'm not sure what I gained by reading them the first time. ;)

 

A divorce from Anne-Sophie Mutter?, posted on November 10, 2015 at 16:47:23
rbolaw

 

RE: You are grasping at straws, posted on November 10, 2015 at 16:58:06
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 But you can't stay away from them.

 

RE: You'll have to explain that to me, posted on November 10, 2015 at 16:59:36
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 They've come out in droves. They're swarming.

 

OK, I'll explain in painful detail, posted on November 10, 2015 at 17:15:34
rbolaw
 I was (gently and in the spirit of good-natured fun) poking fun at your propensity for posting photos of women musicians and commenting on their looks, dress, etc. Which you often do. The soprano I posted about, Maria Luigia Borsi, is good enough, imo, but is hardly the next Maria Callas. What really stands out, particularly in the publicity photos she no doubt approved of, are her very large breasts, which her low cut dresses can barely contain. So, here is a golden opportunity for you to talk about appearance and attire. Get it?

My playfully ironic jibe passed you by completely unnoticed, and you responded something to the effect that you listened to her and didn't hear anything very special. Of course you didn't, she isn't, and that wasn't the point. But I think I'm done with this too-humorless thread.

 

True, that..., posted on November 10, 2015 at 17:22:52
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 But he was married to some beauties over the years.




First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: You'll have to explain that to me, posted on November 10, 2015 at 17:26:57
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 I love that the anti-babe contingent considers itself to be on the 'respect for women' side of things. Right. In the same sense that the 'let's keep our women shrouded' population of the world claims to be protecting them.

Let's get real here.

The anti-babe folks here hate women. They are unable to celebrate in a female musician's beauty. They resent that someone blessed with musical talent could also be blessed with physical beauty. They are intimidated by female flesh. A bare shoulder is too much for them. They cannot emotionally handle an image of an attractive female and rather than admit how much it excites them they rail against it so no one will know the truth.

Why the grudge against beautiful female musicians? Has being physically repulsive to women over the course of their lives caused a deep resentment that they suffer from? If any of you anti-babe folks are beautiful then please post a pic to prove it.



 

C'mon now, chill out., posted on November 10, 2015 at 17:34:01
rbolaw
 Really, bluemooze? You compare me with an annoying insect? I'm not one of those piling on Chris here. But if he posts about the nude violinist in Playboy (which he has done), or complains that Julia Fischer appeared on stage in an unsexy outfit because she was pregnant (which he has also done), or that a 37-year old female violinist is no longer hot (which he did here), then he is going to have to gracefully accept a certain amount of indignant backlash (not from me, that's just too boring).
So Chris's righteous indignation at the righteous indignation of his critics is all a bit amusing. Everyone should just chill, imho.
[edited to remove good-natured attempt at humor, which doesn't seem to be appreciated at the moment.]

 

RE: "close enough to my mind to qualify as starfucking or kiddie porn", posted on November 10, 2015 at 17:50:31
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 Wow, indeed My comments weren't related to your original post but to your responses in the thread and the general discussion. i presume that you get this.

Yet speaking of which, I have yet to see a thread about a male musician looking older. This is what sensible women seem to object to, and I cant say I blame them. I have had my comeuppance on those grounds...

 

RE: OK, I'll explain in painful detail, posted on November 10, 2015 at 18:08:02
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 Can't sayI blame you for being done. Even my playful references to starfucking and kiddie porn were taken seriously:)

 

Reviewing the carnage below..., posted on November 10, 2015 at 18:14:01
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Chris,

Above is diversity for the masses :)

I find it amazing that folks who don't like your posts think you should stop. Why are their opinions stronger than yours? An example of the heckler's veto?

One: no one held a gun to any of these performers' heads to pose the way they did. It's all about the entire package: performance and publicity.

Second: I'm glad you didn't post a picture with one of these artists wearing a Halloween costume, or all Hell would've broken loose instead of a mere 60+ posts!!

Also, welcome to the new puritanism.

 

Really?, posted on November 10, 2015 at 18:33:48
David Smith
 I've commented on the topic before. I realize such comments are falling on deaf ears so I don't bother anymore, and I suspect there are many others in the same boat.

Dave

 

RE: Yes, but I prefer this craftsman to the originator of that comment, posted on November 10, 2015 at 18:35:20
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 I couldn't agree more. I love Liszt. The Annees de Pilgrimages, Piano Sonata, Consolations, tone poems and great songs and choral music. Much of it sublime...

And good enough for Lenny, who (following Stravinsky's famous quip about great composers stealing) took the late Bagatelle without Tonality and used it, Note for Note, as one of the main themes of West Side Story. The majority of trained musicians don't know this, I suspect, let alone enthusiasts...

Harry Z

 

So that's equivalent to kiddie porn?, posted on November 10, 2015 at 18:37:47
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 Although you're doubling down with generalities, it's clear you are hoist with your own petard, and it's also clear that the porn is in your own mind.

 

C'mon, Roy - this is cray cray, posted on November 10, 2015 at 18:46:25
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 Playboy is pretty mainstream, and I didn't force the violist to pose for the magazine. I just reported about it.

J-Fi in a pregnancy gown - guilty as charged.

If you'll check, I don't believe I used the word "hot" with respect to JJ.

On the righteous indignation side, we've got comparisons to the Confederate flag and references to kiddie porn.

Equivalent? Not by a long shot.

 

Thank you! Now that's better! (Though give me Furt on his death bed any day.) nt, posted on November 10, 2015 at 18:47:13
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RE: 32 posts and counting..., posted on November 10, 2015 at 18:47:22
David Smith
 There's a pretty significant difference between "commenting on the trend" and a hundred-plus posts of fawning.

Dave

 

RE: So that's equivalent to kiddie porn?, posted on November 10, 2015 at 18:50:09
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 I guess that dozens of babe alert posts are not specific enough to point out, so I am the one hoist by my petard? That is pure projection if I have ever seen it. This is hilarious:) Stick with defending Liszt. You're far better at that.

And bt the way, if digging babe photos on CD covers are your thing, go for it! There are worse habits out there....

 

Oh - NOW it's playful, is it? OK, posted on November 10, 2015 at 18:52:39
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 Nevertheless, I'd suggest that you take care with your "playful" references to kiddie porn.

 

RE: If that wasn't a DG label, I might agree..., posted on November 10, 2015 at 18:56:50
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Here's something to make the anti-babe folks ecstatic....

 

OK, all good. I'm done., posted on November 10, 2015 at 19:00:21
rbolaw
 I'm not sure why I even got in to any of this. I enjoy your posts, and if one comes along that doesn't interest me, I don't have to read it, right? I just think things should be kept good-natured, fun and friendly by everyone. No need to get into humorless slugfests or name calling (did someone just call me a bug?), I sure regret it when I succumb to the temptation. And I'm sorry if my kidding around offended you. That wasn't intended. Peace and love, I'm outta here.

 

RE: C'mon, Roy - this is cray cray, posted on November 10, 2015 at 19:00:56
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 The first step to s admitting you have a problem. There is no need to be ashamed or to feel judged. The photos of hot young violinists can be pretty damned exciting, after all....

 

Yes - I think that's what they have in mind [nt] ;-), posted on November 10, 2015 at 19:02:30
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RE: OK, all good. I'm done., posted on November 10, 2015 at 19:05:25
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 That makes two of us. I rarely come here anymore, and I couldn't rsist this time. Kind of like watching a train wreck.. I suppose that I made it worse, which I regret. Time to find a real forum for conversations about classical music recordings and performers.

Harry

 

Given Lenny's attitude towards Liszt. . . , posted on November 10, 2015 at 19:14:18
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 . . . I'd be surprised if this were really true. Could have been unconscious, I suppose. You say it appears in one of the main themes of WSS note for note, but exactly which theme did you have in mind? (Or if it's not in one of the songs, then what action is it associated with?)

But Bernstein did make some snarky comments about Liszt - one I remember is that the Faust Symphony is the one work that saves Liszt from being a forgettable composer.

 

That's more like it..., posted on November 10, 2015 at 19:14:58
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 I guess it's OK for her to hold the violin as long as she doesn't try to play it!




First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

Come on: he's the only straight guy on this forum and we need a little diversity. nt, posted on November 10, 2015 at 19:17:29
jdaniel@jps.net
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Sorry to see you go if that's true, posted on November 10, 2015 at 19:28:15
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 But I think you're still playing the role of the offended innocent. You couldn't resist WATCHING a train wreck? I think you were one of the main switchmen! ;-)

And, BTW, if you have truth and justice on your side, you should not regret what you posted. I know I don't. ;-)

 

Yes - thanks for that post, posted on November 10, 2015 at 19:39:39
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 Reviewing this thread over the past couple of days, I think it's almost like the old days when likes of Teresa and tinear were with us! In any case, I appreciate it when people are passionate about their beliefs (references to kiddie porn excepted), but I guess what this shows is that irony and humor are still sometimes hard (and misunderstood) on the internet.

EDIT: And I'm sure I'll have more posts about snowflake (formerly known as "babe") violinists in the future, I just don't see the conveyor belt easing up. ;-)

 

You missed one detail about your posts, posted on November 10, 2015 at 19:55:01
David Smith
 Almost every one (of the kind) has a comment about their appearance (not to mention the photo) preceeding discussion of their playing, you clearly make it a qualifier. That's why your denials ring hollow.

Dave

 

Here's my favourite cutie pie..., posted on November 10, 2015 at 20:03:52
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 kawaii! :D

I don't own any of his records ( his debut CD sounded so so on YouTube ) but enjoyed his live concert/recital very much.

 

RE: Yes - thanks for that post, posted on November 10, 2015 at 20:11:49
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 Ha, thought of Teresa several times this month, when KUSC plays their endless
Cincinnati Pops collection cond. Kunzel. Teresa swore by them, and she listened to them LOUD. Actually, I think she was close to the truth--most of the selected CDs are very pleasant or better. Very robust playing and good sound on FM stereo in my HK equipped car.

 

They missed Tootsie Bell( aka Toots ) and Sunshine..., posted on November 10, 2015 at 20:14:08
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 I gotta tell you 'precious' gives me a chill. That was Buffalo Bill's dog's name in the Silence of the Lambs.


 

Doesn't Look Old To Me, posted on November 10, 2015 at 21:28:54
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 Not Las Vegas showgirl 20, but if that's the standard, then you'd better be Fabio.

And, as with any red blooded hetero male, I surely wouldn't, you know, kick out of bed. Besides, I'm sure the conversation would be infinately superior to the usual female patter.
Severius! Supremus Invictus

 

RE: Yes - thanks for that post, posted on November 10, 2015 at 21:32:10
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 Almost all of those CDs are Telarc CDS and well engineered as well as fun to listen too
Alan

 

RE: Unbelieveable! So this is like displaying the Confederate flag?, posted on November 10, 2015 at 21:38:32
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 I speak for myself
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RE: You'll have to explain that to me, posted on November 10, 2015 at 21:48:56
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 Are you kidding. Who has said I don't appreciate a women's beauty? I don't appreciate referring to women as babe. By the way I need to ask Chris since you are in the musical world, when you meet some of these female violinists do you say, " Hey Babe, how are you doing." or would you feel it was inappropriate?
Alan

 

RE: Oh - NOW it's playful, is it? OK, posted on November 10, 2015 at 21:51:12
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 And of course you will take care of your babe references
Alan

 

RE: Sorry to see you go if that's true, posted on November 10, 2015 at 23:02:20
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 I don't regret what I wrote. I do regret wasting time and energy on negativity, and participating in the thread was not a positive choice. I don't find the topic particularly uplifting. By contrast, I completely endorse your advocacy of and views on Liszt!

Go well-

Harry

 

Denials? What am I denying? [nt], posted on November 11, 2015 at 00:28:28
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Not a chance - I don't accept the false equivalency of "babe" and "kiddie porn", posted on November 11, 2015 at 00:32:49
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Touché, Alan - I've never addressed any of them as "babe", posted on November 11, 2015 at 00:50:33
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 I always use their names or nicknames, just as I did in the OP of this thread. A very high percentage of the high-school and college girls I work with are in fact babes however!

Many years ago, I did run in to a cellist who told me that one of her other acquaintances always greeted her with the words, "Hey, babe!". Far from being offended by this, she was rather amused by it and found it rather endearing - part of the other person's charm.

It's presumptuous to think that one can speak for all women and lay down laws of political correctness by forbidding the use of a harmless descriptor. If a girl told me she didn't like the use of the word, babe, then of course I wouldn't use it (not that I do anyway). When some guy on a discussion board tells me not to use that word, I start to wonder how this kind of arrogance originated.

 

That you are objectifying. nt, posted on November 11, 2015 at 05:22:37
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RE: JJ's new Album - she's looking old on the cover, posted on November 11, 2015 at 05:53:45
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 Looking old or refined?

 

Objectifying? I don't recall using that word, but, yes, I DO deny it [nt] ;-), posted on November 11, 2015 at 09:29:50
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RE: Touché, Alan - I've never addressed any of them as "babe", posted on November 11, 2015 at 10:37:33
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 CFL said "When some guy on a discussion board tells me not to use that word, I start to wonder how this kind of arrogance originated."

I'm always suspicious of males who adopt the roles of protectors of womanhood.

All of the shrouded women in the world are the beneficiaries of such protection.

There are the fortunate women made to hide behind sheets at public gatherings by the males who care for them so very much.

And then there are the fathers who are so protective and obsessed with their daughter's sexuality that they hold public 'purity balls' at which the daughter pledges her virginity to her father until she marries.

Last but not least, the female musicians of the world are protected and defended by the Music Lane anti-babers.

Imagine if the anti-babers took over the music world. There would be a chaperone at every concert to be sure female musicians dressed modestly before appearing in public. A censor would be present at each photo shoot to ensure not too much of that titillating skin showed up on album covers. And the anti-babe contingent would be content and at peace.

 

Of course, the definition of denial. nt, posted on November 11, 2015 at 11:21:51
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Get with the times, man!, posted on November 11, 2015 at 11:48:44
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 Teresa disavowed classical music years ago saying (and I paraphrase) "I just realized I don't like classical music." :-)

 

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