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"Edvard Grieg Complete Symphonic Works" More....

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Posted on September 2, 2015 at 14:04:41
Ivan303
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 Got the LP version of Vol. 1 and it purports to include the Hi Rez Download, whatever that might be, from Audite.de.

Still no idea who pressed it but the DMM Disk cutting was done at Pauler Acoustics in Northeim and it was 'Made in Germany'.

Will be spinning it later this afternoon.






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Any good?, posted on September 3, 2015 at 00:03:05
kuma
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 I wish Warner will reissue Andsnes' Lyric Pieces in vinyl...Highly unlikely or sure...

 

Not as good as the packageing. :-(, posted on September 3, 2015 at 07:05:04
Ivan303
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We all know it's a very good recording as proven to me anyway by the QOBUZ 16/44.1 Lossless FLAC streaming version but the vinyl copy does not measure up.

Just bought a Reference Recordings LP pictured above at the California Audio Show. As revelation as to what a modest Rega RP-6/JICO MM-1 setup can do.

There is no comparison.

Now I gotta get the Grieg set on SACD and settle this once and forever.


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But the packaging is part of the whole vinyl experience!, posted on September 3, 2015 at 09:09:56
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 And what about the olfactory aspect? You didn't mention that. It's all part of the total sensuousness of the vinyl experience - where all your senses become engaged! ;-)

 

Don't discount the olfactory!, posted on September 3, 2015 at 09:23:38
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 That slightly moldy smell I get when I pull out some of my old vinyl is almost like foreplay (well, not really) along with looking at the artwork.

 

By no means - I remember it well! [nt] ;-), posted on September 3, 2015 at 09:40:15
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Is it bad as redbook file slapped on vinyl?, posted on September 3, 2015 at 17:03:52
kuma
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 or at least did they put on 24/96 file?
How bad is it?
Any production defects?

How about the performance?

I've the original Oue's HDCD and the sound even on a CD is very good but unfortunately this isn't my favourite Firebird.

 

I think I might have not been clear..., posted on September 3, 2015 at 18:43:26
Ivan303
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The AUDITE Grieg Vol. 1 LP is the one that is no better or even not as good as the QUOBUZ 16/44.1 Lossless FLAC stream.



The Reference Recording Stravinsky LP pictured above is OUT OF THIS WORLD GOOD!!!




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I got you from your first post..., posted on September 3, 2015 at 19:38:36
kuma
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 That makes 2 votes so far for the lacklustre sonic impression. ( IIRC, ahendler in the original thread mentions he prefers sony CD over this vinyl release )

But how's the performance?

 

The LP came with a promo code for a free download of the Album..., posted on September 3, 2015 at 20:02:29
Ivan303
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 So I'm listening to the FLAC 24/48 plus I get 16/44.1 WAV and MP3 downloads as well.

1 Gig total and a month to figure out where to put it all on my laptop.

I actually LIKE this particular version and still intend to get all four as SACD.

Then I can compare SACD, Lossless FLAC 16/44.1 Streaming, MP3, 24/49 FLAC and CD


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Thanks. I might give the Vol.2 a try..., posted on September 3, 2015 at 20:57:17
kuma
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 It contains more obscure stuff and my favourite Holberg Suite is on it.

 

That said, recording quality..., posted on September 4, 2015 at 06:41:25
Ivan303
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 I'd say the Symphonic Dances seem much better recorded and played both on the LP and on the 24/48 download.

So should I buy the #2 LP and hope for a free download as well?

Nah, I think I'll just spring for the SACDs.


First they came for the dumb-asses
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RE: "Edvard Grieg Complete Symphonic Works" More...., posted on September 4, 2015 at 11:47:55
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I've recently added this superb recording to my collection and looking forward to your impressions on the complete works.

 

that make sense if you've got a decent SACD player..., posted on September 4, 2015 at 12:25:13
kuma
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 It also minimise a possible production glitch on a vinyl.

And certainly cheaper than a vinyl.

 

Vinyl was pretty cheap...., posted on September 4, 2015 at 13:11:44
Ivan303
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 $18.17 plus tax and media mail shipping and it included a 24/48 FLAC download.




First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: Vinyl was pretty cheap...., posted on September 4, 2015 at 13:38:51
kuma
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 18$ plus 4$ shipping isn't bad but still SACD is 13 bucks at Amazon. digital is much cheaper than vinyl.

 

Vol 3 is the best recording, posted on September 4, 2015 at 17:36:50
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 At least, that's what I've read elsewhere. Higher sampling rate, planets properly aligned, etc.

I have not yet verified this myself, but I plan to purchase Vol 2 for a comparison.

This might also be a case of hi-rez fidelity surpassing that of older technology. Not looking to start a debate, but hey, it could happen. Might be time for the vinylsaurs (Reg TM) to watch for asteroids.

Peace,
Tom E
berate is 8 and benign is 9

 

Do we know for sure if they put on a high res. files on the vinyl?, posted on September 4, 2015 at 18:22:22
kuma
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 or did they just slap on a redbook file on a record. IF so, it usually sounds worse than a redbook CD.

 

Which makes not difference as I have not even , posted on September 4, 2015 at 20:26:34
Ivan303
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 successfully downloaded the MP-3 and 16/44.1 wave file and they say all of my attempts are used up and you only get 5.

Why people mess with downloading file I have no idea.

Just a royal pain IMNSHO.




First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

'you only get 5'... what kind of bullshit is this? , posted on September 4, 2015 at 20:53:00
kuma
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 I've no patience when it comes to computer/internet glitch...

Why not just stream it?
Is it a bandwidth issue?

 

Nah, just a comparison exercise... , posted on September 5, 2015 at 08:34:40
Ivan303
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 You know, LP vs. CD vs. SACD vs. OOBUZ stream vs HiRez download vs. whatever.

I have the LP and have streamed it on QOBUZ and originally intended to purchase the SACD when I first steamed it and....

Why?

AUDIOPHILE!



First they came for the dumb-asses
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And may you alwyas continue to fight the good fight! [nt] ;-), posted on September 5, 2015 at 09:22:49
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I know the feeling..., posted on September 5, 2015 at 14:20:45
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:/

 

Who is this 'SVJATOSLAV' fellow you seem to have so many recordings of?, posted on September 5, 2015 at 16:17:48
Ivan303
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 I seem to recognize his picture from somewhere.

:-)





First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: Who is this 'SVJATOSLAV' fellow you seem to have so many recordings of?, posted on September 5, 2015 at 16:29:15
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 The greatest classical pianist of the 20th century. I have over 100 of his cds. Died in 1997 in Moscow.
Alan

 

RE: By no means - I remember it well! [nt] ;-), posted on September 5, 2015 at 16:34:06
ahendler
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 I also love the vinyl experience but I find I am really enjoying streaming which basically has nothing but the music although going through thousands and thousands of albums to find something I want to hear is very much like the old days of going to Rose records in Chicago and spending a whole afternoon digging thru the vinyl to find something you wanted
Alan

 

As you know most of his recordings are crap...., posted on September 5, 2015 at 17:58:00
kuma
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 Better the performance, crappier the fidelity. that's how it works with Richter.

But I keep searching in vein that elusive better sounding pressing amongst the pile of poo...
I finally got a quiet acceptable Live in Sofia LP after going through half a dozen.


 

RE: As you know most of his recordings are crap...., posted on September 5, 2015 at 20:18:56
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 He did a series of recordings for Phillips that were done on pretty modern equipment. They are rare studio recordings. Excellent sound
Alan

 

RE: Who is this 'SVJATOSLAV' fellow you seem to have so many recordings of?, posted on September 5, 2015 at 20:43:15
Ivan303
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WHO? ;-)





First they came for the dumb-asses
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Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

There are a few gems in the Philips recording..., posted on September 5, 2015 at 22:12:36
kuma
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 This Schubert sonata live recording is just excellent in both performance and sound.

Liszt Piano Concertos, or Shosty's Preludes and Fugues are ok, too but I noticed the sound quality is not always consistent.


These Beethoven sonata pieces go right back to the cave man era recording.


Later, JVC Japan captured a few live performances in wonderful early digital! ( they sound more natural than dreadful DG's 90s 4D recording ) With its ultra low noise floor, it is hard to believe this is a live performance ( IIRC, well behaved Japanese audience ). Realistic tonal colour and ambiance. If only this was possible for his earlier Eastern European tours 30 years prior...


 

lol! (nt), posted on September 5, 2015 at 22:14:59
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 .

 

Since I haven't owned a vinyl-playing apparatus in decades. . . , posted on September 5, 2015 at 22:15:42
Chris from Lafayette
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 . . . I'm of course relying on my nostalgic recollections of when I was a young(er) whipper snapper. As for listeners' olfactory experiences with LP's, Hollywood ought to make a movie about it - they could call it, "Scent of an Album" and put Robert De Niro in the lead role. ;-)

And you're right about present-day streaming services - they ARE a bit like flipping through albums at a B&M record store, except that one saves the travel time, and, perhaps, takes it for granted. ;-)

 

RE: Who is this 'SVJATOSLAV' fellow you seem to have so many recordings of?, posted on September 5, 2015 at 23:14:42
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 Is that Gilels?
Alan

 

RE: Who is this 'SVJATOSLAV' fellow you seem to have so many recordings of?, posted on September 6, 2015 at 06:58:19
Ivan303
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:-)





First they came for the dumb-asses
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Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

Sad to say, as I look at my record collection...., posted on September 6, 2015 at 07:19:00
Ivan303
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Most if not all were collected after I got seriously into the hobby say 15 years or so ago, and most were purchased used. As a result, my music collection is more focused by recording quality than music/musician quality, so to speak.

That, plus what was available in the classical music bins at Randy's Records in Salt Lake City! ;-)








I can say with certainty that SOMEONE living in the area of Salt Lake City was a Lazar Berman fan 'cause I ended up with a load of his LP's, all purchased at Randy's!




First they came for the dumb-asses
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Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

Berman's Appassionata is very good...., posted on September 6, 2015 at 17:56:23
kuma
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 Not as prickly as Richter but his presence is felt from the very first note casting a large burly projection. Excellent clarity and determination with warm fleshed out notes. One of the most masculine breathtaking rendition of this piece but not the most inward searching. This mid 70s pressing has a high tape hiss noise but clear piano tone and absence of break up or distortion. Decent frequency extensions and bass dynamics for Columbia pressing.

I've a few more of his records but haven't listened to them yet.

Thank you for sharing your record store story.
Here's one of my vinyl store I frequent, Dave's Records in Chicago. ( he usually does not talk as much)







I purchased a few audiophile grade classical music but they soon were gathering dust until one day I got the Toscanini's Beethoven Symphonies box set at a local resale store for 60 cents. I ended up listening to the whole cycle in one evening in spite their poor fidelity.

 

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