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Charles Ives: Three Places in New England. . .

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Posted on July 28, 2014 at 14:16:42
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and Third symphony on Mercury are both pieces I was not familiar with. Bought this at Amoeba for $1.99 and I am moved, especially by the 3rd which is more melodic than I had anticipated, incredibly recorded and just a nice piece of music.







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Howard Hanson, posted on July 28, 2014 at 16:37:41
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I've never been a great fan of Ives, but Howard Hanson is a different story.

You may already be familiar with his music, but others may not. Hanson was a fine composer as well as conductor. Extremely influential in American music, turned the Eastman School into a center for new American music, and a strong advocate of the music of American composers all the way back to the early years of our country.

Hanson's early symphonies and his orchestral music are especially inviting.

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Ives/Naxos, posted on July 28, 2014 at 17:19:29
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I've become a big Ives fan over the last few years. Naxos has a number of truly excellent recordings of his music, many prepared and/or conducted by Ives scholars like James Sinclair, among others. His is a fascinating sound-world once you get into it. Michael Tilson Thomas is also a well-known Ives specialist.

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RE: Charles Ives: Three Places in New England. . . , posted on July 28, 2014 at 17:59:38
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These are both great pieces, although there are other recordings of both that I prefer (eg., Tilson Thomas).

Oh, and I once saw (and heard) Pierre Boulez conduct the Cleveland Orchestra in Three Places--this may have been the only time he conducted it. During the second movement, he was beating time with both hands in different time signatures, with the downbeats not coinciding. It was easily the most transparent reading of this piece I have ever heard--which may not have been exactly what Ives had in mind. But it was testimony to Boulez's ear and the orchestra's virtuosity and ability to listen to each other.

 

Interesting about Boulez and Ives., posted on July 28, 2014 at 19:20:41
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I never thought Boulez would appeal to me conducting Mahler, but in his version of the Seventh, he dissects its structure and shows it in a very different light than anyone else. I would have liked to hear him do Three Places.

 

RE: Howard Hanson, posted on July 29, 2014 at 02:44:05
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I'm glad you mentioned him. My mother was a fan of his and I have a couple of his symphonies, as well as an album of piano Sonatas, i bought used years ago.

I'll have to dust them off again.

Silly question: Could i have heard any of his compositions played by the Boston Symphony Orchestra between about 1950-1955?

 

RE: Howard Hanson, posted on July 29, 2014 at 06:12:57
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Koussevitzky was a great admirer of the music of Hanson. He premiered Hanson's 3rd Symphony in Boston on March 10, 1945, and Hanson's "Elegy to the Memory of Serge Koussevitzky" was commissioned for the 75th Anniversary year, performed January 20, 1956. But Koussevitzky left BSO in 1949 and Munch was not inclined to perform Hanson's music.

According to the BSO archives (see link below) Hanson was not performed at all by the BSO between the dates you mention. However, his music was probably performed by other orchestras in Boston, including his Eastman orchestra.

BSO Archives Search


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Yes, you've probably heard his music without even knowing it, posted on July 29, 2014 at 06:58:22
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The music accompanying some scenes and the end credits for Riddly Scott's movie "Alien" is stolen from Howard Hanson's 2nd Symphony. I say stolen, because they did not ask Hanson's permission to use the music. The original score by Jerry Goldsmith was included in the original theater release, but that music was pulled. So, if you have the DVD, it probably includes Hanson's music at the end.

Here is the music, although not the scene/credits it accompanies.

Hanson Symphony 2 excerpt

Personally -- Some purists were not happy with the substitution of this music for Goldsmith's original, but Scott's choice was, IMO, brilliant. After so much violence, fear, intensity of emotions, Goldsmith's original music was just a continuation of the same frightening music used throughout the movie. Hanson's music offers us resolution, respite.


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RE: Howard Hanson, posted on July 29, 2014 at 08:26:46
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Hanson's 3rd may be as close to "The Great American Symphony" as anyone has come. The music seems more deeply rooted in the American soil and spirit than the more cosmopolitan works of Copland, Schuman, etc. Koussevitzky's blazing recording makes even Hanson's own sound pale - seek it out!!!

 

RE: Yes, you've probably heard his music without even knowing it, posted on July 29, 2014 at 09:11:06
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Hanson was a prize to us as a nation and desereves much wider reccognition than he has. I first played and heard his compositions as a college student and became impressed with their nationalism.
One of his most interesting works is his one opera "Merrymount" which most folks only know in it's suite from the opera. I wrote to Gerard Schwartz upon hearing his complete recording of the opera that this was one of my"bucket list" items and thanked him for it. Long live Hanson's legacy of music.
























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Agree re Hanson - a fine and underrated composer., posted on July 29, 2014 at 09:28:40
Hanson was one of those mid-century American composers given the belittling label of the "Prairie School". Fortunately, he was also a fine conductor with an excellent orchestra (the Eastman Rochester Phil) recorded by an excellent label (Mercury) and so was able to make his own case effectively.

Can't agree re Ives, though.

 

RE: Charles Ives: Three Places in New England. . . , posted on July 30, 2014 at 18:11:49
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I consider Charles Ives to be the quintessential USA composer, with his use of genuine folk music, a la Ralph Vaughan Williams in England, and Bartok in Eastern Europe. Wonderfully experimental music. Anyone interested should check out his songs and other chamber works.

 

Ives and folk music, posted on July 30, 2014 at 19:02:03
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I love Ives, too, but I think his music has many more quotations from hymn tunes and marches than from actual American folk songs.

 

Thanks for reminding me about Howard Hanson, posted on August 1, 2014 at 15:23:43
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Listened to several of his great symphonies last night :)

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RE: Howard Hanson, posted on August 4, 2014 at 16:38:55
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Howard Hanson/Eastman-Rochester Orchestra American Masterworks All-You-Can-Eat Bonanza 5 CD Box Set!

Enjoying this set via QOBUZ 16/44.1 Lossless FLAC stream.


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