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Tympani IVa vs 3.7i vs ML Odyssey

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Posted on June 10, 2021 at 11:11:54
methylmarty
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 It's been a few years since I've posted here, but if anyone remembers my past ramblings and scattered thoughts, I have another nitpicky first-world issue that normal people probably wouldn't care about, but for some reason we all do.

So my current setup is as follows:
- Tympani IVa mains powered by SonicCraft Opus monoblocks, Straightwire interconnects and speaker cable (don't remember which model cable)
- dual PSI Audio 18" subwoofers mounted in Dayton boxes powered by Crown XLC2800 stereo amp (normally Sunfire Signature 600, in the shop), generic 6 gauge car speaker cable
- Marantz SR 6012 receiver (2 channel rig doubles as home theater, do not have space nor funds for a separate 2 channel preamp that I feel would make a significant difference, not saying it doesn't exist)
- MGCC2+DWM center channel and MMG side and rear surrounds powered by Adcom GFA5500 (normally Sunfire Cinema Grand Signature, currently at my Daughter's powering Carver Amazings)

Anyway, The Tympani IVa are great and what I thought at one point were "endgame" speakers. However, I am in a slightly smaller listening room now (post-divorce) 14'Lx14'Wx12'H and the Tympani are quite the presence in this small area. Also, we all know that Magnepan has moved far beyond the old wire on mylar and old crossover designs to all quasi-ribbon and series crossovers, etc. So I'm using outdated tech.

Of course I would like to upgrade to 30.7 or even 20.7. I would also like 10 million dollars and to never work again, but I can dream... So I've narrowed my choices to the 3.7i and the Martin Logan Odyssey. I have located a pair of each within my budget, and the ML is half the cost of the 3.7i which is why I am considering this model. Problem is I can't readily audition either, and there are a hundred other factors that befuddle auditions anyway.

So has anyone listened to these 3 particular models and can offer some input? Points I have heard in general (not direct comparison) is the ML absolute top end transparency but poor cohesion with bass, 3.7i being more coherent and musical, neither having the bass of the Tympani, etc. But I can't find direct comparisons.

Keep in mind I currently run my Tympani full range but also cross the subs at 80hz. Even with the Tympani, I need to add that low bass slam, so losing a bit of that to move to a better top end in a smaller form factor may be acceptable.

Thanks,
Marty

 

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RE: Tympani IVa vs 3.7i vs ML Odyssey, posted on June 10, 2021 at 11:58:52
Mike K
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 If you are happy with the Tympanis and no longer have a wife, keep them.
If you can't or won't keep them, I recommend a pair of 1.7i for a room of
the size you specify. I have a bigger room than you and a pair of LRS
fill it nicely.

Lack of skill dictates economy of style. - Joey Ramone

 

RE: Tympani IVa vs 3.7i vs ML Odyssey, posted on June 10, 2021 at 12:11:20
MWE
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 The one thing I can tell you is that my 3.6Rs work well, surprisingly well, in a 14' x 13' room. And as you probably know, the true ribbon tweeter is marvelous.



Mark in NC
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RE: Tympani IVa vs 3.7i vs ML Odyssey, posted on June 10, 2021 at 12:49:23
methylmarty
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 Well I'm remarried and my wife doesn't care what I have because it is a dedicated room.

I also have a pair of LRS that I used in the same room in place of the Tympani. I just bought them to try since they were only $650 and a local guy had a pair. I thought the imaging and coherence were slightly better than the Tympani, and of course they were much improved over the MMG that I use as surrounds. But of course when I put the Tympani back I was treated to the gigantic soundstage and amazing true ribbon tweeter. So the LRS are in the closet with the intent of replacing the surrounds when I can get a second pair. The 1.7i is just a larger LRS, maybe the soundstage will work for me, but still lacks the true ribbon.

I guess what I am asking is if the top end of the Odyssey or 3.7i is so much improved over the sound of the Tympani IVa without losing the massive soundstage.

 

I have the ML Ascent i's, posted on June 10, 2021 at 13:01:16
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 Love the clarity of the panels. I've heard some of the Magnepan's, and although I liked them, I still preferred the airy e-stat sound. I've got them paired with a sub and I don't have a real problem with the bass integration. Sitting in the sweet spot can be pretty magical.

And remember, this is primarily a Maggie forum. There might be a teeny, tiny bias.

 

RE: Tympani IVa vs 3.7i vs ML Odyssey, posted on June 10, 2021 at 13:05:08
methylmarty
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 My first Maggie was the SMGb when my father bought them new in 1993 I think. When they delaminated he "upgraded" to the original MG1. His high frequency hearing is compromised so to him it porbably was an upgrade just for the larger bass panel.

My first true ribbon was a used pair of MGIIIa and it just blew away anything I had ever heard... with the exception of a memory from 1998 when my father brought me to the hifi store to hear a pair of Martin Logan ReQuest powered by Pass Labs monos and a Conrad Johnson pre. Hence my obsession with Maggies and ML, and thus my current dilemma.

On a semi-related note, I gave the MGIIIa to my father to replace his MGI when I found the Tympani IVa. I originally bought the Tympani as a father's day present, to which his response was "I think I'd rather stay married".

 

RE: I have the ML Ascent i's, posted on June 10, 2021 at 13:06:50
methylmarty
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 I do love the airiness of stats, but it's been a long time since hearing one. Which stats do you use and which Maggies did you compare them with?

 

+1, posted on June 10, 2021 at 13:08:23
GreatSound
 The older 3 series 6 ft Magnepans all have lower bass response than the 3.7i ( that only goes down to 40 hz) and can not be biamped.

I own the 3.6 in my main system and IIIas in my home theater and they sound great.

 

That's quite the cool dad! Mine was born in 1916 and was content with a table radio. , posted on June 10, 2021 at 13:12:09
MWE
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 Other than that, he was a good one

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The biamping capability is an important and worthwhile thing. , posted on June 10, 2021 at 13:25:31
MWE
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 Mine are biamped with a hybrid passive line-level/active crossover and is a significant improvement, IMO.


Mark in NC
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My two cents, posted on June 10, 2021 at 13:34:46
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 As you might gather, I am a full range electrostat enthusiast and have been since hearing Dayton-Wrights in '76. Having said that, I was truly blown away by a pair of TIIIs in '74 and purchased MG-IIs shortly thereafter. I currently use MC-1 surrounds in the home theater.

I confess that a BIG priority for me is coherence. I want a piano to sound like a single instrument that doesn't vary its character across the keyboard. Which is why I'm not a fan of hybrid stats, i.e. Martin-Logans where the monopole woofer is contributing the fundamentals for most instruments. To these ears, earlier Magneplanars could not compete with full range stats either in that regard. While each provides exceptionally well rendered ranges, what I hear is a discontinuity when examined top to bottom. I seriously considered 20.1s before purchasing my Sound Labs and heard a very well driven pair at Sea Cliff. I chose the stats as the 20.1s were still "patched together" from my listening perspective.

Having said that, I later heard a pair of 3.7s in Harry's same room that struck me as a significant improvement in terms of overall coherence. I could easily live with a pair (ideally supplemented with two or more subs) and presumably, the "i" version is better still.

To summarize:

For optimum scale - keep the big Tympanis
For widest range coherence - 3.7i
For best low end bass punch - Martin-Logan

Ideally, you would audition the options.

 

RE: My two cents, posted on June 10, 2021 at 13:40:28
pictureguy
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 A good expression of 'priorities' in listening......
Too much is never enough

 

RE: My two cents, posted on June 10, 2021 at 13:45:59
methylmarty
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 The bass from the Odysseys cross at 250hz, correct? Being as I already have massive subs doing 80hz and below, I assume that I would probably notice a difference in the ML woofer.

I think I am leaning toward the 3.7i. I'm not sure how much more airiness I would notice from a stat over the true ribbon anyway.

 

RE: My two cents, posted on June 10, 2021 at 13:58:06
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 The bass from the Odysseys cross at 250hz, correct?

That is what I found from their website.

Being as I already have massive subs doing 80hz and below, I assume that I would probably notice a difference in the ML woofer.

Only to the extent that the ML woofer is covering fundamentals while the electrostatic panel covers the harmonics - albeit with a different character to these ears.




Ideally, you would use dipolar subs, but the more noticeable effect to me is what happens above - not below as the wavelengths are long and largely non-directional where subs play. I use a pair of subwoofers in the HT system supplementing Acoustat 1+1s crossed at 90 hz. That frequency was determined by exhaustive measured experimentation with various settings and placement in its space for the most linear results.

The big U-1s upstairs don't need no stinkin' subs. ;)

 

go for 3.7i, posted on June 10, 2021 at 19:42:13
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And mix in your subs with high quality 'room correction'/bass management with measurements using DSP.

The type of algorithm is really important and some are much better than others. I know Anthem ARC is great, and people also seem to universally love Dirac & RoomPerfect. Also essential to limit max frequency of correction to 1000 Hz or less.

 

RE: Tympani IVa vs 3.7i vs ML Odyssey, posted on June 10, 2021 at 19:56:49
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 Just want to correct what someone said above the 3.7i goes down to 35 hz (not 40 hz as stated
I bought my pair 4 years ago and still love every minute of listening.
When auditioning I listened to some ML models(can't remember which) I thought they were light sounding compared to Maggie's which also had a much fuller sound stage. I've since added subs to get that real bottom oomph.
I have mine in a 12 x 15 room do you should be fine

You should listen for yourself then decide


Joto

 

RE: I have the ML Ascent i's, posted on June 10, 2021 at 23:12:26
jimbill
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 Ascent i's.

The last Maggies I heard were the 30.7.

No comparison for presentation. There was a lot of panel surface. But I still didn't get the air of e-stats.

The last ML's I heard were the 15a's. Exceptional. And they were perfectly integrated with the woofers. Anybody saying otherwise, I would doubt that they have really heard them.

 

RE: Tympani IVa vs 3.7i vs ML Odyssey, posted on June 11, 2021 at 07:37:21
louie3
 What are the Sonicraft Opus amps you mention?

 

RE: Tympani IVa vs 3.7i vs ML Odyssey, posted on June 11, 2021 at 10:38:14
methylmarty
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 Funny you should ask as I was actually unable to find much information on the SonicCraft Opus myself while purchasing them. I took a leap of faith, as the only article I could find mentioned Magico using them at CES, and I figured if they're good enough for Magico they'll probably work for me. The guy I bought them from was actually using them to power that same set of Magicos, and he was upgrading to tubes and sold me these at an absolute steal of a price.

In short, they sound phenomenal. End game amplification in my opinion. 300w@8 doubling to 600w@4 with a black background and pinpoint imaging. I got really lucky with these. I plan on writing a detailed review shortly.

Here is a link to the article I read and one to a dealer I think:

https://www.stereophile.com/content/scott-walker-audio151solos-audio151soniccraft151magico

https://hifiheaven.net/shop/SOLOS-AUDIO-SonicCraft-Opus-Signature-Power-Amp-Monoblock-Pair

 

RE: My two cents, posted on June 11, 2021 at 10:40:39
methylmarty
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 E-Stat,

I love the chart. I'm going to blow this up and frame it for my wall. Seriously.

 

RE: go for 3.7i, posted on June 11, 2021 at 10:42:28
methylmarty
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 DrChaos,

My Marantz uses Audissey XT32 I believe. What is the consensus on that vs Dirac?

 

RE: I have the ML Ascent i's, posted on June 11, 2021 at 10:49:22
methylmarty
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 Jimbill,

The 30.7 have officially been my dream speakers since their inception. I will have to wait a few years though until a pair changes hands a few times and gets banged up and depreciated before I'll be able to justify the cost. The 15a is also unfortunately way out of my budget, as is the Neolith which I would love to hear at some point.

Heck, at this point the 3.7i and the Odyssey (if they still made them) would be out of my budget if it weren't for the used market.

 

RE: Tympani IVa vs 3.7i vs ML Odyssey, posted on June 11, 2021 at 11:06:32
louie3
 Ahhhh....Solos Audio Soniccraft....not from the parts folks. Thanks

 

the Odyssey is no slouch, posted on June 12, 2021 at 10:31:08
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 I auditioned them back in the early 2K's. ML sold a lot of speakers through high stores and some 'not so high end' stores back in the day. In doing so they were often misrepresented and generally hooked up to low-high end amps and preamps in open areas (non-isolated rooms). We had a Tweeter chain here in San Diego that carried them (MP3 Lover and pictureguy are familiar with Tweeter there on El Cajon blvd I'm sure). I think in the latter sense they got somewhat of a unjust reputation.

Also it's unfortunate we don't have too many owners representing them here (yes I know this is probably due to us being a Maggie dominated domain)

Furthermore they're stats so comparing to Quasi/true ribbon speakers essentially boils down to personal taste.

I don't know if I'd personally chase after a Odyssey but DEFINITELY the larger full range guys (CLS, CLX).











 

probably not as good, posted on June 12, 2021 at 13:05:59
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I think you should ask over at AVSForum, I think they are the experts on this. Though when I once read over there (a few years ago when I was looking around) there were reports from people who either liked or disliked Audessey's effects, but almost everyone liked Dirac or Anthem.

Dirac & Anthem do their estimation of the DSP correction with sophisticated software on a PC/tablet, and you have lots of control over the parameters & target curve etc. What does the Audessey system do? There may be a "pro installation" extra that would bring it up to that level but if it's only a receiver control then probably not.

If you can't limit the top frequency of correction then it's likely to have some negative effects on high resolution dipoles like any Magnepan.


I certainly heard it with Anthem ARC, correction up to its maximum (5kHz for my model) strangled some of the Maggie Magic in the highs, the transparency and immersion was lost and it sounded like a regular speaker. But limiting the top frequency had great results, the bass strength and smoothness was improved, as well as 'dynamic snap', as some of the subbass went to the subwoofer. Maggie panels have a bass resonance between 40-50 Hz usually, and there is some energy storage (less damping) there. If you can get that to a sub which has stronger damping (i.e. a SEALED sub) it sounded like a great benefit.

I couldn't get that without ARC, i.e. a plain crossover didn't do it.

 

Hmmm, posted on June 12, 2021 at 13:23:17
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 I don't know if I'd personally chase after a Odyssey but DEFINITELY the larger full range guys (CLS, CLX).

The CLX is a three way design requiring the use of subwoofers.

 

RE: Hmmm, posted on June 12, 2021 at 14:45:38
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 yep I saw that later after I posted, but damn they look good!









 

Observational vs subjective, posted on June 13, 2021 at 10:15:17
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 My mentors taught me that observational analysis is just as valid as *objective* - and often more discerning.

I find practiced ears evaluate components very similarly. What differs is how our individual preferences result in different subjective choices afterwards.

 

Even though I haven't heard them..., posted on June 14, 2021 at 13:54:15
jimbill
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 my dream speakers would be Sound Lab U1X or 945"s.

I would not only need the money, but the size room where they didn't totally dominate (if that is possible).

But of the speakers I've heard, cost not part of the equation, I would take the MBL Extremes over the 30.7.

 

RE: I have the ML Ascent i's, posted on June 14, 2021 at 19:33:38
timm
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 Well. Maybe you are in luck. Maybe not.

I have odyssey's and 20.7s. I think I can give you a fair analysis. I think the odyssey is a good speaker. There is a clarity to them. They do image well and just like a Maggie - you need a decent room for them. The woofer/ panel issue was something that never bothered me.

The 20.7 - yes not a 3 but I have heard the 3. The major difference between the logan/20.7 is the mid bass as well as the texture that it brings on the 20.7. The clarity is not as clean as a stat - but the trade off for me is the texture and better mid bass for a better bass overall in my opinion. I miss no clarity. Absolutely nothing in my opinion compares to the ribbon. It is smoother and your amp will thank you for not having to deal w dips down to 1 ohm on the Logan. Be careful on repurchase of Logan's. Non smoker only. The stats attract the smoke and it weighs down on the Mylar. The 3.7 obviously would be closer competitively with the odyssey but I would still opt for the 3.7i.

 

RE: Even though I haven't heard them..., posted on July 8, 2021 at 08:51:50
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 Jimbill,

I would take the MBL extremes over any other speaker, period. I could also buy another house with a pair of 30.7s for what they cost. This hobby could get very silly very fast.

 

RE: I have the ML Ascent i's, posted on July 8, 2021 at 08:55:51
methylmarty
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 Timm,

Have you ever compared the bass of a 20 series to that of the Tympani? I would assume it is similar just more compact in the 20. I don't know how much the push-pull magnet arrangement makes a difference.

I'm leaning toward the 3.7 due to price and the fact that I will be running my two sealed 18" subs for the ultra lows regardless.

 

RE: Tympani IVa vs 3.7i vs ML Odyssey, posted on July 8, 2021 at 09:01:15
methylmarty
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 Okay, so I think I've landed on the 3.7 or 3.7i depending on used availability. My local dealer does not carry Magnepan.

I tested the Goldenear reference yesterday. I was astounded while listening to some Floyd tracks, but switching to Norah Jones left me underwhelmed as I heard some sort of haze over the vocals. I was also unimpressed by their portrayal of classical music. So awesome for rock, but I need my planar magic for everything else.

I am going to test some ML 15 and 11 next week, but for $25k and $10k respectively I am still leaning toward the 3.7.

 

RE: Tympani IVa vs 3.7i vs ML Odyssey, posted on July 8, 2021 at 09:11:17
methylmarty
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I do need to see if I can offload my Tympani IVa before I can get something new. In the meantime I will be running either an original pair of Carver Amazings, or the Magnepan LRS that have been sitting in my closet.

Before I do anything with Audiogon or Ebay, I figured I'd see if there was any interest here in purchasing my Tympani. I can personally deliver to most of the northeast, as I travel a lot for work anyway and can make a side trip on one of my visits within reason.

The panels were rebuilt by Magnepan around 2008 I think. I resocked them in black from Magnepan, separated the mid/tweet and bass panels, and added 2 additional feet ordered from Magnepan.

 

RE: Tympani IVa vs 3.7i vs ML Odyssey, posted on July 8, 2021 at 09:22:49
methylmarty
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 Also, I do realize I will catch some heat for the room setup, so let me preemptively explain: This is a temporary listening room while I renovate my house. That being said:

- The monoblocks do not sit on the subs under normal circumstances.
- The preamp does not usually sit on the center channel.
- The wires all over the floor are due to my recording studio being part of the renovation so I am running a Focusrite Clarett into my HTPC for when I want to record a guitar track. I record quite often so I just leave them plugged in.
- The crown amp under the center channel is broken and only there to elevate the center channel.
- The center channel and subwoofers are powered by 2 Crown XLC2800 amps which sit behind the center channel out of view. The side surrounds, rear surrounds, and ceiling speakers are powered by the receiver (Marantz SR6012).
- The windows behind the Tympani are always closed and have UV protectant blinds that are always closed, so no delamination worries.

I'm usually much more organized with my system, I assure you.

 

RE: I have the ML Ascent i's, posted on July 8, 2021 at 15:27:49
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 I have not had the opportunity to hear the tympani. I really like the overall bass of the 20 though. The big difference between the mag and the Logan to me is overall tone / texture and mid bass. The Maggie just wipes the floor of the Logan here imho. I think the 3.7 is really the ticket for you. Play the Maggie's naked - then introduce the sub. The 3.7 has a very nice tonal quality. The trick is keeping that planar snap while integrating the sub. It will become a personal choice. But with two sealed subs you will have all the bass you want if you lean that way. What electronics do you have and room size? I might have missed that.

Edit. Sorry. Looked at your original post again.

 

RE: Tympani IVa vs 3.7i vs ML Odyssey, posted on July 8, 2021 at 16:42:32
timm
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 I have heard the 15. Very nice sounding speaker. When I moved from Logan's - I didn't want the same house sound. And ML definitely has a house sound. Like the difference between my odyssey and the 15 - yes the 15 are better but the odyssey has a very similar signature. And pushed with the right electronics - there is some magic to be had. The big diff is the bass on the 15 and the integration.

 

RE: I have the ML Ascent i's, posted on July 8, 2021 at 20:07:34
methylmarty
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 Timm,

Have you heard the 3.7 vs the 3.7i? I found a decent deal on some 3.7 with Mye stands about 200 miles from me and they are just a lot less than the i model. Coming from the 1992 Tympani I would expect a major improvement in coherency with either, but i've read all the reviews and I just wonder if it really is as much of an improvement as they say.

 

RE: Tympani IVa vs 3.7i vs ML Odyssey, posted on July 8, 2021 at 20:24:48
methylmarty
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 BTW...

To expand on my demo of the Goldenear Reference, I have to begin by saying I really was impressed with what I heard. I kinda expected the AMT tweeter to be slightly better than what I actually heard and the rest of the speaker to be slightly worse. However, it was a very impressive, well balanced speaker; slightly forgiving but very good at imaging.

Then today I played the entire playlist of the demo back in my Tympani room (which is also untreated, I heard the Goldenears in a fully treated and probably $500,000 dedicated demo room). I guess I got so used to the Tympani that I forgot how good they are when I actually focus on them. I turned off the subs and just listened to the Tympani, and wow... No contest. It kinda made me not want to change them at all. The only area that the Goldenears won was the depth of the bass - I think I may have heard 16hz in there, and I have two sealed 18's at home so I know what that sounds like. But the quality of the Tympani bass just still can't be beat.

I'll still probably get the 3.7 if I can sell these, but I may cry a little when I do...

 

RE: I have the ML Ascent i's, posted on July 8, 2021 at 20:51:00
timm
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 I have - but my memory fails me and it was like 2 years apart. . I am sure others here have though. I think the i version brings a little more mid bass to the game. However hopefully someone will chime in

 

RE: Tympani IVa vs 3.7i vs ML Odyssey, posted on July 8, 2021 at 21:03:32
timm
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 I heard the golden ear reference at axpona two years back. They were hooked to the primaluna evo monos if I recall. They were playing something like dean martin and sounded pretty superb.

 

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