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After Market Stands For LRS

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Posted on June 4, 2020 at 15:10:11
calvinhilfiger2@gmail.com
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 Hi All,

I managed to get a pair of LRS speakers just before the pandemic shut down and have been enjoying them since.

I am working with a small 13'x12.6' listening room, which is not a dedicated room, and am driving them with a Bryston 4B SST. I have found they sound their most open 5'6" from the front wall. My listening couch puts me about 72" from the speakers. I'm kind of feeling like another couple of feet further away from the speakers would be ideal, as I feel like I am just on the edge of hearing them really open up and disappear.

As I can't expand my room, do you think after market stands would improve the openness of the sound and provide better imaging? The imaging is good, but as I said, I feel like I could experience more of the "you are there" feeling if I was just a bit further away.

Any constructive thoughts and advice would be appreciated.

 

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RE: After Market Stands For LRS, posted on June 4, 2020 at 17:04:31
FX35
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 Stands can help, anything that lifts them up a bit higher off the floor and reduces swaying should improve things, those hinges on the stock feet are just total crap. But first you need to get your set-up straight, moving your couch back won't "open them up", it will just reinforce bass and room reflections causing smear. For a open and clear sound you need to minimalize room interaction, this means keeping speakers + couch away from the front + back walls. A good starting point in that room would be on the 1 +2/3 lines, speakers on the long side, tweets 4.2 feet from front wall, outer edge 1 foot from side wall, tweets in, axis crossing 1 foot behind ears, couch(ears) 4.2 feet from back wall, for pin-point imaging use a mono recording to adjust toe-in until you hit dead centre imaging. Of course, LRS's are bass shy, moving the couch towards the back wall will increase bass, but decrease openness, dialing in 2 subs is also a option.

 

RE: After Market Stands For LRS, posted on June 4, 2020 at 18:21:32
josh358
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 That's a hard one, and I sympathize, since I'm stuck with an undersized room as well.

The problem is that there's only so much you can do -- there's going to be some compromise.

I *have* heard the LRS's completely disappear and make a huge soundstage at just the right height -- that was at AXPONA -- and in that case, as I recall, the room wasn't very big (a hotel room) and the seats were against the rear wall. The question is how to do it. The only way I know, assuming that you've found the ideal positions, is with acoustical treatment.

Conventionally, if your seats are against the rear wall, you use absorption there. I tried it and wasn't wild about the results. What did work, curiously, was stacking GIK gridfusors (QRD diffusers). They aren't supposed to work when you're only a foot or two away, but for some reason, they did -- better than both the bare wall and the absorption.

Up front, diffusion would also be the usual approach.

I've found that diffusion in the front corners is very effective. Diffusion at the first reflection points behind the speakers is standard as well. (I haven't found that it works on the side walls in a room that size -- absorption would be more suitable there, if needed -- it could do more harm than good.) Diffusion may allow you to move the speakers further towards the front of the room without losing image depth.

So I think that's what I'd try first.

You could also consider the old fake-ficus-tree-behind-the-speakers trick to get some HF diffusion.

 

RE: After Market Stands For LRS, posted on June 4, 2020 at 19:30:43
Green Lantern
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 what preamp are you using? A good tube preamp will make them vanish even more.









 

RE: After Market Stands For LRS, posted on June 4, 2020 at 20:13:33
TitaniumTroy
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Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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 I heard them at AXPONA also, thought they imaged better than my 3.6' in my 12.5Wx26L with sloped ceiling. I feel my rooms width, compromise's my Maggie sound also. I have room treatments up to and they do help a lot.

 

It is not just the size of the room, posted on June 5, 2020 at 14:24:17
farfetched
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 It's the volume. If you have a lot of stuff in your room (furniture, tables, end tables, big lamps, your entire beanie baby collection, etc.) I have found the room sounds smaller. This might be taste (it does increase the "liveliness") but a sparse room is as good as a stuffed larger room.

My 12x15 room has a card table in one corner as a desk, a folding chair in the sweet spot, a simple rack for gear in another corner, and the speakers and the sub. Placement is set by ear, and the spartan nature of the room really serves the music well. The system has no sonic distractions (those beanie babies really suck up the treble).

My ridiculous collection of vinyl and cd's are kept in another room, as well as books.

I am trying to get as much volume as I can out of 12x15. The system sounds --- open.



/ optimally proportioned triangles are our friends


 

Your seat may be to close to the back wall., posted on June 6, 2020 at 16:51:02
G Squared
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 I would push the speakers back a bit and push your listening position a little farther forward to start the experiment.
Gsquared

 

RE: After Market Stands For LRS, posted on June 6, 2020 at 19:55:10
timm
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Location: Ann Arbor Mi
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 Yes - diffusion I believe could be your answer. If you do not have anything - look into it and there are plenty of threads here on the topic. You may get more latitude w your speaker placement at that point. I think room treatment is an absolute must with a small room like that.

 

RE: After Market Stands For LRS, posted on June 7, 2020 at 06:04:10
volunteer
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Location: Louisville, KY
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 Magnestand makes one for the LRS that has gotten excellent reviews. I have the Magnariser that I really like.


-Wendell

 

RE: After Market Stands For LRS, posted on June 7, 2020 at 18:26:41
kaccomess
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Location: OR
Joined: June 12, 2019
 I've been repositioning my LRS most days I listen to them. I finally found a reasonable setup measured (approximately) 4 feet from the rear wall, 5 feet from the side walls, 9 feet to my chair, angled inwards 8 inches, inner edge-to-edge distance 5 feet. That gives excellent imaging but the bass is still anemic. I'll eventually get a subwoofer if I find a used one at a reasonable price.

I purchased MagnaRiser stands and they're helpful but they are also light weight. They are quite a bit better than the supplied stands in terms of stability and getting the speakers off the floor. Overall though, I'd prefer something heavier, if only for security reasons.

 

RE: After Market Stands For LRS, posted on June 9, 2020 at 19:33:26
trioderob
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 Mye Sound stands are the best - hands down

 

Have you tried firing them diagonally?, posted on June 20, 2020 at 19:27:27
CometCKO
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 For a couple of years my primary listening room was nearly identical to your dimensions. I was using my Magneplanar 1.6qr speakers, so perhaps an even tougher challenge. I had very good results by orienting the room based on having a corner at my back and a corner between the speakers at the front wall. I did have some room treatment, with diffusion on the front wall via bookshelves with a variety of different shaped objects and absorption via a bass trap in the corner behind the listening chair.

As farfetched said, it's not just the size of the room... Also the similarity of wall dimensions gives problems in the bass, so moving the listening position with respect to cancellation waves becomes critical. I found fewer bass nodes (doubling or halving of the bass) when firing diagonally.

Of course if the room is multi-use, other activities might be FUBAR with this setup. But you should definitely give it a whirl sometime when you have the house to yourself for a few hours.
"Knowing what you don't know is, in a sense, omniscience"

 

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