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Posted on November 25, 2019 at 11:28:59
josh358
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 Tour dates are here and Wendell asked me to post this:

Magnepan needs your help

Are you willing to publicly give your feedback of Magnepan's proposed new speaker concept? Below are the cities and dates of select cities for the first tour to hear public opinions. Instead of filling out focus group forms or giving information to Magnepan's representatives at the demonstration, Magnepan is encouraging public debate. (Negative feedback can be just as valuable as positive feedback.)

If you are interested in hearing this speaker concept, it is critical that your dealer have your contact information. Winter storms could cause a delay of the tour.

Chicago-- Quintessence Audio, Wednesday, December 11th
Toronto-- Audio Excellence, Saturday, December 14th
Pittsburgh-- Butch's Sound and Vision, Monday, December 16th
Northern New Jersey (Verona)-- Audio Connection, Wednesday, December 18th

 

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RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on November 25, 2019 at 12:12:00
BDP24
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 I speak as someone who first heard a Magneplanar loudspeaker in 1973 (as part of the complete system Bill Johnson personally delivered and set up at his new California dealer in Livermore, Audio Arts, owned and operated by Walter Davies, now known for his line of Last LP/CD/tape preservative products), and shortly thereafter bought my first Maggies, the Tympani T-I. I am absolutely in favor of the concept of mating an OB sub with a planar loudspeaker.

I infact created such a hybrid myself, pairing the GR Research/Rythmik OB/Dipole Sub with the Eminent Technology LFT-8b, employing the sub in place of the stock ET woofer. A marriage made in Heaven!

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on November 25, 2019 at 14:28:32
MarcL
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 The NJ location is a possibility. 2hr drive, but I'd do it if I could. I don't see anything on their web site. Do we know time of day, duration, etc?
Agilist, Musician, Photographer, Audiophile
Magneplanar: 3.7, CCR, MC1,LRS, MMGW, DWM; Outlaw: UltraX12, LFM-1C; Emotiva: XMC-2; Nord: Nord One NC500DM, Nord Three 1ET7040SA; Outlaw: Model 7500; OPPO 205

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on November 25, 2019 at 14:37:35
josh358
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 That's the one I'll be at. But no word yet on the time of day or duration.

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on November 25, 2019 at 18:30:13
timm
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 Hi josh. I unfortunately can not make it. That thing called work. :(

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on November 25, 2019 at 18:50:03
josh358
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 Bummer. What's a job or two anyway? :-)

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on November 25, 2019 at 19:38:18
TitaniumTroy
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 I took a couple of days off, so I can take my time on the drive back. I'll be attending the December 11th event, at Quintessence Audio. Really looking forward to hearing the Condo Mag's, seeing their size factor is small maybe I can get Wendell to swap them into the "tweets in" position, haha:;>

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on November 26, 2019 at 03:26:34
josh358
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 LOL

Well, it's going to be a smaller audience since these are designed for smaller rooms, so maybe he'll do tweets in anyway. :-)

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on November 26, 2019 at 03:28:55
triamp
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 I think I can go, am in Chicago.

Quintessence Audio is not in Chicago, by the way, but in some suburb.
Science doesn't care what you believe.

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on November 26, 2019 at 03:41:30
josh358
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 Excellent!

Really looking forward to this . . .

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on November 26, 2019 at 08:57:47
Green Lantern
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 Since I don't see a West Coast schedule I'll cast my vote here and now- I think the Maggie community is willing to accept a 'cone' component as long as it's affordable...if Wendel and the crew at Magnenpan agree it integrates well, that's good enough for me. Of course there will be some push back from die-hard Maggie aficionados -and understandably so, but if the general public's hesitation has always been 'lack of bass' this could very well tip them over the fence and break sales records...IMHO









 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on November 26, 2019 at 09:53:33
josh358
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 Wendell said he's hoping to swing west after this leg of the tour is done, so you may get to hear it in person!

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on November 26, 2019 at 11:28:00
Norman M
 Can the Dahlquist DQ-10 be considered some type of OB speaker system (having 'time arrayed' drivers at that)? I liked it very much. Under some type of arrangement (?) dealers carrying Maggies didn't do Dahlqists, so I was never able to compare them in the same environment. Back in the day I was deciding between the Tympani 1C and DQ-10.

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on November 26, 2019 at 11:40:04
Joe Schmo
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 Wendell, you do realize it's sunny and 78 degrees almost every day in South Florida during the next couple of months! Seems like a good time to visit Howard and Carol.
:)
-Joe

They're not that big!

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on November 26, 2019 at 17:21:24
TitaniumTroy
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 Quintessence Audio is in Morton Grove IL, which Google maps says is 15.9 miles and 33 minutes from Chicago. It also says I was there 4 yrs ago, forgot it was that long ago. I went to hear some of the Magico line of speakers, I think that I ended up preferring the Sonus Faber speakers.

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on November 27, 2019 at 06:32:01
BDP24
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 The GR Research/Rythmik OB sub plays higher than normal subs, up to about 300Hz. But that is still not quite high enough to meet up with the midrange driver in the Tympani-T-IV(a). I'm sure Magnepan is running the magnetic-planar midrange driver(s) in this new hybrid model much lower than the 400Hz x/o point of the T-IV(a), it's OB woofer therefore having to play only high enough to meet the mids.

The idea of the Magnepan ribbon tweeter, m-p midrange down to 100Hz or lower, and an OB sub on the bottom, all combined into this new hybrid, sounds REALLY promising and exciting to me!

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on November 29, 2019 at 05:36:42
josh358
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 Yep, the DQ-10's were open baffle. I have a friend who has (had?) them, not surprising because he'd worked for Dahlquist.

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on November 29, 2019 at 07:35:04
Roger Gustavsson
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Dahlquist DQ-10 open baffle? The woofer was a sealed box. The rest were open baffle, maybe not the Motorola piezo.

 

Your dealer, perhaps, posted on November 29, 2019 at 07:44:35
1973shovel
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 The dealer requirements may have changed at a later date, but when I bought my Dahlquist DQ-10s in 1976, my dealer carried both Dahlquist and Magneplanar.

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on November 29, 2019 at 09:27:58
Davey
 It's a stretch to call any of that system open-baffle. But, at least they were starting to think along the right lines.

Dave.

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on November 30, 2019 at 18:53:08
TitaniumTroy
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 Davey, what was your impression of the Dalquist sound ?

I heard a pair in Chicago a few years ago, at an audio dealer. Was not impressed at all, but it was against the long wall in a big open space. So I just thought maybe it was the room, or bad placement or both.

For most speakers I like the off grills for aesthetics, however these ugly beasts are a two bagger for sure. Looks like build quality was not high on the list either. Looks kinda like a high school science project to me.

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on November 30, 2019 at 20:48:01
BDP24
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 That the Dahlquist were as highly regarded as they were just goes to show how bad dynamic speakers were at the time. Even before them, I had heard far better, particularly the designs by Robert Fulton (I owned the Model J). But also the Infinity 2000A (which had the great RTR ESL tweeters), the ESS Transtatic I (of which I have a pair. They also have the RTR tweeters, as well as the KEF B139 woofer in a quarter-wave transmissionline enclosure, and the KEF 5" B110 Bextrene midrange driver). The Absolute Sound guys were hot for the Dahlquist, as well as the original Advent, which I also found mediocre.

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on January 6, 2020 at 08:04:28
tsaykaly@sympatico.ca
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 I attended Wendell's original tour of the 30.7. His description of "loading the room" was easily borne out as we walked in "x" shapes and zigzags behind the speakers and around them. At the time, he mentioned the Concept 30.7/hybrid dipole speakers.
So, I attended the Dec. 14, 2019 demo at Audio Excellence in Toronto. I have bought my system and various accessories and LP's there. Great service and helpfully knowledgeable.
The demos involved with/without cuts of drums and voices. The additions of the dipoles were seamless and, although no A/B was possible, the bass was the equal of the full 30.7's. Depending on price, etc. etc. these could be the proverbial game changers. Truly a brilliant blend of technologies.
TomS

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on January 7, 2020 at 07:52:17
josh358
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 Impressive, wasn't it? Hearing that sound from such small speakers...

Anyway, I just passed this on to Wendell.

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on June 19, 2020 at 07:30:11
WrineX-Joppe
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 Well hybride was always a dirty word in with magnepan. so im kind of shocked .
its ok to use it in my opinion but it does kind hurt the product they stand for ! for the lowest octaves i think a dynamic driver might do a better job to be honest. still there is a charm in having a planar play fullrange. if it not only was for pure aesthetics and ease of production.

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on June 25, 2020 at 18:13:10
TitaniumTroy
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 I have also heard the 30.7 for condos, the dipole dynamic bass module was in no way a comprise. In fact Magnepan is considering making the module a stand alone product, to be used with other planer's from competitors. The size could be scaled up for larger rooms for more volume.

You say you were shocked, well Magnepan did take two years of development to come out with this product. If you think Wendell would release something that is not up to Magnepan standards, you don't Wendell. Some Audiophile need to be shocked to wake up out of their doldrums, I know was shocked by the modules, dynamics, deep bass and bass impact.

Even compared to the 30.7 by itself I would take the 30.7 for Condos without even thinking about, not for it's smaller form factor or somewhat lower price, but for what it can do that 30.7s by themselves cannot.

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on June 26, 2020 at 18:01:39
timm
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 Be very curious about these as a stand alone product Troy. Do you know if they were meant to be a stereo pair? Thanks Tim

 

RE: Magnepan needs your help, posted on June 26, 2020 at 20:26:50
BDP24
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 Don't forget fellas, there are already stand alone OB/Dipole woofers and subs. Magnepan didn't invent them! Of course, their model is said to include some fancy electronic manipulation (digital?), but the use of a "shelving" circuit to counteract the bass roll-off inherent in dipole woofers due to dipole cancellation is common.

 

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