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Maggie disappearing act

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Posted on February 22, 2017 at 16:20:10
timm
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 Hi all.

Question for you. Today my stats virtually disappear. I can't tell music is coming from them in many cases until I walk up to them. I have instruments and voice playing all in between their 11' spacing.

In your experience - how easy is it to get the Maggie's to do this? Particularly the larger panels like the 20 or 3 series. How close do you sit to the centerline between your speakers? Thanks tim

 

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Maggies are no exception; but IMO depends on the source, posted on February 22, 2017 at 18:06:47
Green Lantern
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 Wondering which stats you have. Every Maggie I've owned (1.6, gunned MMGs, and currently MG20r) perform this feat and it IS truly a marvel. But I submit this feat starts with the source (recording); good in- good out; bad in, (well you know the rest).

No speaker (or system for that matter) hits home runs every time at bat.









 

RE: Maggies are no exception; but IMO depends on the source, posted on February 22, 2017 at 18:12:04
timm
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 I have Martin Logan odysseys. But am looking at the monster Maggie's. and if things align may pull the trigger. I have a room that floors/carpeting are going in tomorrow which is 17x30. It was sort of a 'build it and they will come' approach. :)

And I agree with you. I have a ton of DSD and hi res on multiple hard drives feeding a directstream. Between the recordings and the dac - I am very happy. I find the 20.7 special though.

 

RE: Maggies are no exception; but IMO depends on the source, posted on February 22, 2017 at 18:43:39
russ69
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 Flat panels do this better than curved panels, FYI.

 

RE: Maggies are no exception; but IMO depends on the source, posted on February 22, 2017 at 18:47:15
timm
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 Now your talkin!! :). I have heard the mags sound might good in demos. But in one case the dealer likes to sit you about 6' from the speaker. The other demo was better but I think my new room might work better just because of dimensions

 

RE: Maggies are no exception; but IMO depends on the source, posted on February 23, 2017 at 03:45:02
rosendds@frontiernet.net
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 Can you describe your speaker placement,distance to the listening position & dimentions of your room?

 

RE: Maggie disappearing act, posted on February 23, 2017 at 07:54:30
Satie
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 Maggies can do the disappearing act as well as stats and better than hybrids. If a 20.7 is in your reach then using it in the Limage setup on the short wall can provide amazing results. BTW you can setup the Odysseys in the Limage placement scheme as well. Your room dimensions are very good for the Limage placement.

 

RE: Maggie disappearing act, posted on February 23, 2017 at 15:13:46
timm
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 Satie. I know you have answered this many times. So given 17x30 - this would be 12' into the room either speakers close to side walls. Seating distance?

 

RE: Maggies are no exception; but IMO depends on the source, posted on February 23, 2017 at 16:39:45
timm
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 My room is about 16X26... w 9' ceilings.... In a very open concept house... Speakers are about 5' from the front wall... about 11' apart... I sit 8' from that.... so basically at the 13' mark... However... one speaker has an opening next to it which leads into another room... and the rear wall is not complete.... as I can see my kitchen and our foyer....So even though it is basically 16X26.... the back of the room has a wall the width of the room... but the side wall does not go all the way down to the rear wall as the house is open.... How is that for not describing it very well?? :)

 

RE: Maggie disappearing act, posted on February 23, 2017 at 20:50:53
josh358
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 I don't know how to get Maggies *not* to do the disappearing act. As Satie said, they're as good as ESL's in that regard. I like to sit right at the center, although in practice I'm a bit sloppy. Part of that is imaging -- always best when centered. But lateral crossover lobes can also be an issue -- the specifics vary depending on the driver layout and crossover, listening distance, and whether you run them tweeters in or out. And my old 1-D's beamed something fierce, while my IVA's probably don't given the width of the tweeter (I say probably because my high frequency hearing isn't what it used to be!).

 

RE: Maggies are no exception; but IMO depends on the source, posted on February 23, 2017 at 20:56:20
josh358
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 I think the most important thing is the wall behind the speaker. If it's relatively plain, you should be fine. Sides of the room matter less since they're in or near the dipole null, but closer to the front of the room they can affect the second reflection from the corner -- the sound will tend to wrap around onto the walls and if there's no wall where a corner should be you'll likely hear more depth there.

 

RE: Maggie disappearing act, posted on February 24, 2017 at 00:13:58
Satie
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 The seat would be near the back wall, fine tuned for the particular distance you pull the speakers out into the room and the wall loading effects. It is also a question of how large a soundstage you would like. The room is large, so the soundstage created in it will be rather proportional, though in most rooms where Limage placement works it is with a similar listening angle, which should have dictated apparent soundstage size.

The basic starting point would be approx. 12' into the room and 1 ft from the sidewall for a flat planar. You would likely need further distance from the sidewalls for the curved panel and the box woofer.

 

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