remember the Gilmores?

RE: remember the Gilmores?, posted on December 1, 2016 at 20:47:40
Satie Audiophile Posts: 5426 Joined: July 6, 2002	Well, that is a steal. Great speakers according to reviews. The redoing of the planar mid tweet to take out the midrange resonance is probably what it needed to get up there. It looks like they are using the long version of the Neo8 Chinese knockoff. Or alternately the RD50 knockoff, those Chinese drivers had a nasty 3-500 hz resonance of 5-8db. Can't ignore that one.

Any link/source for those $2500 & $1500/pr sets?, posted on December 2, 2016 at 07:22:12
David S. Audiophile Posts: 3552 Location: Mountains of WNC Joined: August 31, 2000	Rather interesting...

RE: Any link/source for those $2500 & $1500/pr sets?, posted on December 2, 2016 at 09:00:36
Norman M	Very interesting ...

RE: Any link/source for those $2500 & $1500/pr sets?, posted on December 2, 2016 at 10:44:04
Green Lantern Audiophile Posts: 16952 Location: San Diego, Ca Joined: November 12, 2002 Contributor Since: June 17, 2003	This was from an email sent to me the other day, clicking the hyperlinks in the ad only takes you to their website as provided below. Yes I agree very interesting!

Greatest thing since sliced bread, so I wondered, posted on December 2, 2016 at 10:59:50
M3 lover Audiophile Posts: 6604 Location: SW Mich Joined: May 29, 2005 Contributor Since: July 4, 2007	what happened to them after only a few years of production. These described "improvements" may explain their apparent failure in the marketplace. Unless of course it was also a poorly run company? "The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing, if you can fake that you've got it made." Groucho

RE: Greatest thing since sliced bread, so I wondered, posted on December 2, 2016 at 20:57:25

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I think it is the midrange bump and the fact that the woofers and the tweeter occupy the same slab and isolation and bracing are insufficient to counteract it. While corian is great for this purpose, it is not enough to eliminate IMD with such powerful woofers on the same panel. They need further bracing.
I also suspect that their lean back is hurting imaging performance compared to the MG20.x - and they don't have ribbons. So where they excel in bass you can add a subwoofer(s) to the MG3.x or 20.x and get both the same deep bass and dynamics and a ribbon's resolution - I think they overvalued the SQ of the midrange unit at the top octave - it needs a ribbon supertweeter to compete at the price point..

RE: Greatest thing since sliced bread, so I wondered, posted on December 3, 2016 at 08:25:36
morricab Distributor or Rep Posts: 9180 Location: switzerland Joined: April 1, 2005	While you might be right about the bass woofers on the same panel as the ribbon, I don't think it he tilt inherently hurts the imaging. Apogees imaged just fine tilted back.

Tilt and speaker height, posted on December 3, 2016 at 09:14:50

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Isn't there a relationship with that?

In addition to the Apogees (at least the shorter models), several other designs include tilt, such as Thiel and my Janszens. I know there are several others. Most of those models are less than 4' tall or so and due to the designer's intent.

The Maggie MG-20 and 3 series are all taller so projecting straight forward into the room may be more beneficial.

"The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing, if you can fake that you've got it made." Groucho

RE: Greatest thing since sliced bread, so I wondered, posted on December 3, 2016 at 10:48:16

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It was useful with the shorter models to give the right shortest direct path to be to the vertical center of the drivers, but at the cost of introducing asymmetrical floor and ceiling reflections. The full benefit of the tall line array or line source driver is the suppression of floor bounce so that you get a uniform arrival time at the listening seat. For that to be you need to have the line source vertical. The right solution is to raise the center of the driver to ear height and set it vertical - which makes WAF drop like the proverbial Lead Zeppelin.

See Don Keele's presentation for an indirect view into this:

The Theils are using the slant to time align the drivers.

Don Keele;s presentation is in the videos at the bottom

My guess out of business due to patent infringement., posted on December 3, 2016 at 14:27:07
Smelly_Socks	The tweeter has too close a design to Infinity stuff. Infinity was hot to sie anyone infringing. Just like the Australian EMIM insert makers.. They got sued for patent stuff and had to stop making them. (even though Infinity refused to make any replacement parts.. sad.)

RE: My guess out of business due to patent infringement., posted on December 5, 2016 at 09:36:09
Satie Audiophile Posts: 5426 Joined: July 6, 2002	I think they are still in business, but they are not working on much for future products in the speaker market, just tweaking.

RE: My guess out of business due to patent infringement., posted on December 24, 2016 at 21:41:43
info@apogeeacoustics.com Manufacturer Posts: 11 Location: Queensland Joined: October 9, 2010	Who was the Australian EMIM maker that got sued? Curious - Graz Mediocrity is a waste of time, energy and materials!

RE: My guess out of business due to patent infringement., posted on December 26, 2016 at 11:04:32
Satie Audiophile Posts: 5426 Joined: July 6, 2002	I think it was a piece of misinformation as you would be the only one and you are still making those so far as I have seen.

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