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Summer and Winter stereo power amps for QUAD 63 OR Sub/bass duty

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Posted on March 31, 2016 at 20:00:07
Timbo in Oz
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I now have two 100+wpc SS power amps as well as the two LEAK St20s rethought and rebuilt.

[There is also a Perreaux power amp on offer.]

One is a former professional stage amp with gain controls and balanced inputs (and RCA's just added.) It is a Fostex 300 which will give 100wpc/8 and 150/4ohms. It is very heavy with a big toroidal transformer.
It has just been serviced, haven't had the bill but < $Au 200.

The other one is a HK870 100wpc/8, but with 60 amps of instantaneous current reserve. It has also been serviced and had its protection circuits made more effective.

Note that the 63s - see my recent post - have now had their OEM protection wound back and the input cap bypassed/replaced. They will be a lot easier to drive.

So, which one would you use into the QUADs and which for bass only duty?

For Winter duty I will try out the two "Once Were LEAK St20s" one in UL driving the Quads and one in pentode mode doing <150Hz OR <80Hz bass only duty. See below.

Note that it is a smallish room.








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RE: Summer and Winter stereo power amps for QUAD 63 OR Sub/bass duty, posted on April 5, 2016 at 14:13:34
Mr Peabody
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I would use the HK on bass due to it's high current, but I wonder how good the Fostex would sound on the rest of the frequency band, I only know Perreaux by rep, if HK on bass maybe the Perreaux would sound better on the upper end of things.

 

Thanks for that., posted on April 5, 2016 at 14:53:43
Timbo in Oz
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I have decided to buy the Perreaux in time for next Summer. [I live in SE Australia inland in Canberra (ACT) nestled into the Great Dividing Range, and it's Autumn now. We are in sight of the extensive Winter snow fields, known as the Snowy Mountains.]

I will use each of the two SS power amps I now have to drive the clam-shelled push-pull driver subs. That is, one 100w channel per bass driver. But, out of phase with that amp's other channel. I hope I will have enough level to allow the system to play loud enough for Beethoven and Berlioz. And, will live with any limitations on later louder works.

By Summer the subs will be built and tested to determine the Linkwitz Transform settings needed for each sub. A mono LT box for each sub - plus a 1/3rd octave for room Eq notching out peaks - in front of each bass/subs power amps.

I expect I may need different knee points to get a smooth blend, as I will start with asymmetric slopes 1st High Pass and 3rd LP at 150hz.

If I find I do need to push the LPass down a bit, I'm hoping that the
1/3rd-octave-eq boxes can help with any lump in the interim, until I change the knee points for the bass.

That will take some time because the active xover I'm using in the bass has 2nd order slopes and fixed freqs, which might have to be changed by changing R's. I'd have to change the 1st order LPass input R and C on the bass amps in any case.



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RE: Thanks for that., posted on April 5, 2016 at 19:09:55
Mr Peabody
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No problem, but it sounds like you have put a lot of planning and thought into your set up.

 

I have to do all this stuff to a tight budget, even more so since I retired. long-ish!, posted on April 6, 2016 at 00:13:17
Timbo in Oz
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Because I read and think and revise, I usually avoid re-doing things before they've cost me.

There have been two quite different notional projects for the final speakers before this one, too.

But, I have been thinking - and hoping - about 63s, and discussing it, for a long time. Beginning well before I was lent a pair of 63s just a few years back.

Asymmetric crossovers for - reinforcement of, and bass extension - under QUAD 63s, using omni bass sources (enclosures), isn't a new idea.

[Using OB dipoles is a lot more recent, and NOT cheap. And I've got all these bits which say 'do boxes.']

And, there are a few imponderables yet, if you will bear with me.

Will I end up using the subs for the lot @ 3rd LP from ~ 150/120 hz right on down to ELF, [or from 80 Hz and on down], and put the subs right beside the 63s?

OR do I build/adapt bass reinforcement (BR) boxes going down to 40Hz - to go right beside / under the QUADs? AND add subs just for ELF ~20-40 Hz and maybe put them in the two far corners (L-shaped room), phased to pressurise at the listening seats? Room-gain from corners is strong down low. LOTS of cables to vacuum around.

I have enough spare drivers / speaker boxes, 35Hz spheres, and a spare 60WPC amp to do BR to ~35/40 Hz. In fact - this 40hz or so target, is where I will be starting.

If I did go with two bass systems with two boxes for each, I'd also need to buy/build an LR4LP/LR HP xover to feed the subs!!

When I have built the two subs - my tech and I will measure them, and IF I do find that the 1/3rd octave equalisers can't give me the extension I want below their Fc/F3s: to 20-25 Hz - I will apply LT Eq to match, yet retain the 1/3rd eq - to deal with room peaks, mostly.

So, quite a bit of measuring, and measuring in-room to do. And several phases to the project, so we can learn about the room and stuff.

200 watts per channel (400 watts total) just might be enough for 150 hz down to 20 or 30 Hz, even with LT eq, which does chew up power! Each big stereo power amp will be running OOPhase, so this might help their PSUs to cope a bit better when running hard.

IF I find that I prefer SS bass year round I'll keep the pentode 'Once was a LEAK St20' as a spare!

And I may even end up preferring the big Perreaux to the valve amp for driving the QUADs, year round.

Giving two 'Once were LEAKs', spare!! So far, I still doubt that I will. But it does get very hot here in Summer.

The valve pre will stay, though I/we will try to add a tilt type tone-control as in QUAD's own pre-amps.



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