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Chargers GONE!

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Posted on January 12, 2017 at 19:15:11
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 Well, the Chargers pulled the trigger and are officailly leaving San Diego.

Good. I'll help 'em pack if they need some help.

Could have saved this IF they'd been willing to exchange maybe a 20% share of the team for public financing of the New Statium. NFL would not have gone for that, but they can Always change the rules. Look how successful the public ownership model is in GreenBay?
New Stadium would add enough value AND be a natural magnet for the SuperBowl that the entire team would have gained enough value to make everyones stake worth a lot more.

Spanos family are greedy and short sighted.
Too much is never enough

 

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RE: Chargers GONE!, posted on January 12, 2017 at 19:25:32
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 Care to join me in boycotting the NFL? I have not watched a game all season. I swore off the NFL after that Rams/St. Louis greed orgy. Disgusting what it's become. A virtual cesspool of greed and depravity.

 

RE: Chargers GONE!, posted on January 12, 2017 at 20:18:56
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 And Believe it or NOT, the big NFL organization is a Non-Profit.
Too much is never enough

 

The Raiders made a go in LA for awhile, then backtracked to Oakland., posted on January 12, 2017 at 21:08:40
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 What was their problem, and what makes the Chargers move different? If its the LA market, then maybe a similar pattern awaits.

 

RE: The Raiders made a go in LA for awhile, then backtracked to Oakland., posted on January 12, 2017 at 22:05:19
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 Problem is the stadium.
Originally called the San Diego Stadium, it was later renamed Jack Murphy Stadium and still later became Qualcomm.
It is from the Late 60s and is baseball / football friendly. That' means it's not great for either.
At about 50 years old, it is now well past its prime.
Chargers tried to hold up the city to build 'em a new stadium, like the Padres got. Petco, for the Padres is a near-perfect baseball park. It has great views from anywhere.

I write if all off to Greed. Now the Chargers will share a stadium with another team. So for Every Sunday during the season, the neighbors will be subject to all the massive dislocations that go along with 50,000 people and thousands of cars. Not to mention the Superbowl which will come sooner than later.

San Diego may NOW be better off. We may get a team that wants to move and is More Willing to spend the big bucks for a new stadium.

Stay Tuned.

Too much is never enough

 

RE: Chargers GONE!, posted on January 13, 2017 at 06:20:56
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 Yes when the NFL doesn't receive welfare it turns tail and runs. Just another reason to dislike it. Not that the same isn't true of other sports. I hope they are still the Chargers there with their cool uniforms.


ET

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RE: Chargers GONE!, posted on January 13, 2017 at 09:12:28
SpotcheckBilly12345
 Sondek,

I've dropped the NFL for several reasons, many of which I will not repeat in public. My total disgust began when they started to charge a fee to the entities who used the term "Super Bowl" and now must refer to it as "The Big Game". Crass commercialism at its lowest form!

I was a big fan for decades, spending all day every Sunday and most Monday nights during the season glued to the set. Never again! After a short few years I don't even miss it for one instant, and I've found so many more productive ways to invest my time.

Cheers,
SB

 

RE: Chargers GONE!, posted on January 13, 2017 at 09:39:44
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 It sucks for a city to lose a team. I thought we were going to lose the Saints after Katrina. The NFL doesn't care about loyal fans if they can see a way to make another buck.

 

RE: Chargers GONE!!!, posted on January 13, 2017 at 11:16:16
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 Good riddance to scumbag Spanos! Enjoy being Kranky's bitch up in Inglewood! You made $344 million in revenue last year; $118 million from local San Diego market, & $226 million from shared Shield revenue. Now, thanks to Raider owner Mark Davis forcing your hand (saying he'd take LA opening if you didn't), your tightwad ass is gonna be saddled with paying $40 million a year on a loan to cover $650 million relocation fee. Along with $150 million for new facilities you deemed unnecessary in San Diego! Plus, for the first time ever, you're gonna have to actually pay rent! To Stub Hub stadium, which only has around 30,000 seats. Tickets will need to be in the $1,000 & upwards range to cover those costs! No wonder the Rooneys-n-Maras-n-Snyders(even) are going WTF are you thinking? ... Rams are tanking in L.A. market, after only one season back, in both attendance-n-viewership(NFL viewership dipped in LA market from 8.3% last year to 8.0% after Rams' return). Which reflects this season's downward viewership spiral league wide. So here's hoping the Shield goes for the hat-trick & approves Raiders move to Las Vegas immediately! Will be quite a visual when the Corporate Raiders play in 100-plus degree temperatures in 30,000 seat Sam Boyd Stadium, whilst new state-of-art facility is constructed. AFC West was considered one of the strongest NFL divisions, & now there's a possibility two of those teams will downsize & temporarily play in 30K mini-stadia. Bet that never happened in either WFL or USFL! ... So way to go Shield & Sheriff Goodell, for pissing off three fan bases (or revenue streams, in NFL-ese) in less than two years' time in the process! St. Louis still owes $100 million on their stadium, & Oaktown still owes $90 million for bringing Raiders back in '95. San Diegans will mourn their Chargers' loss, to an extent. But most consider it to an acrimonious end to an abusive 34 year relationship with Spanos family ownership! They saw no need to publicly pay extortion money to keep Chargers, knowing owner doesn't even cooperate with a local business community which put several billion into Charger coffers since 2001. Will LA be as receptive to 12 winning seasons over 34 years time? ... St. Louis, San Diego, & Oaktown all agree on one thing: Football Is Family!!!

 

RE: Chargers GONE!!!, posted on January 13, 2017 at 11:24:20
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 Good analysis.
Now? Maybe Oakland will move to San Diego?
How's THAT for a horror show ending?

I hope the days of public welfare for private sports franchises is OVER.
Too much is never enough

 

RE: Chargers GONE!, posted on January 13, 2017 at 11:28:26
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 I think it is horrible that a 15 year old child can name every 1/4back in the NFL and NOT know anything about elementary Civics.
Too much is never enough

 

Someone please update me...., posted on January 13, 2017 at 11:59:18
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Chargers move to Los Angeles?

Rams move to Los Angeles?

Raiders move to Las Vegas?

Is this all correct? Will Rams and Chargers share the new stadium in Inglewood, CA? But when will that be done? Where will they play in the mean time?

I don't get too wrapped up in the business / greed side of things. I just enjoying watching a few good match ups during the season. ;-)




 

RE: Someone please update me...., posted on January 13, 2017 at 12:17:08
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 Chargers and Rams are a 'done deal'.
Oakland? Still seeing if some city will bend over for them.

Yes, it will be a shared facility and a scheduling nightmare. New stadium, give them 3 years to complete, will be busy EVERY weekend during the season. A couple Mondays or Thursdays tossed in for good measure.
it'll be Hell living near that place.

In the meantime? StubHub Center in CARSON which holds all of 30,000 people.

And don't forget the SuperBowl will be coming to Inglewood, sooner than later!


OH! One other thing. The new stadium is in the Landing Pattern for LAX. Right on Final. This should prove interesting for TV coverage with Non-Stop Jet Noise overhead.
Too much is never enough

 

RE: Someone please update me...., posted on January 13, 2017 at 12:54:20
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StubHub stadium holds only 30,000 fans? Good luck with that.

And the new stadium in the landing pattern on LAX final! Hmm, I'll have to watch some of those games just to see how they handle the jet noise that you mentioned.

Thanks.

 

RE: This Has Been Quite A P. R. Nightmare ...., posted on January 13, 2017 at 12:54:36
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 ... for the NFL, Pictureguy. Here it is, Divisional Playoff week, & national sports media is only concentrating on Charger move to L.A./Carson. And none of the coverage is positive. ... A Raider move to Vegas will kill what ever home field advantage they currently enjoy in the biggity biggity "O". Here they are, one of the few fan bases that consistently sells out, & owner says it aint good enough. Was a bad enough look when you saw visiting fans taking over Murphy's Q, ya know? ... Sounds like they should name Kranky's Inglewood project Shea Stadium (;{)

 

The entire east-west width of LA is in the approach pattern. Hard to escape it. nt , posted on January 13, 2017 at 13:48:12
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RE: Noise, posted on January 13, 2017 at 15:00:05
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 Years ago I lived in Hawthorne, near the Hawthorne Airport which was fairly close to where the new stadium will be. Most of the year the planes at LAX would take off over the ocean (West) but land from the East. I would never say that it was quiet but it was tolerable.

The real noise problem was when the normal wind pattern (from the ocean) changed and the jets were forced to take off into winds coming from the mountains to the East and to land from the West. This was when airport noise was very LOUD. This is more of a winter condition and will be a real issue during football season.

I don't miss living near the LAX approach.

John

 

RE: This Has Been Quite A P. R. Nightmare ...., posted on January 13, 2017 at 15:39:15
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 You should see PETCO when the CUBS are in town!
1/2 or better in the stands are in Cubs Blue. I wear my cap.
Too much is never enough

 

RE: Noise, posted on January 13, 2017 at 15:44:08
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 Thanks for 1st hand account.

When the winds change, I think that is called a 'Santa Ana' wind condition. They are HOT and DRY and blow straight off the mountains which accounts for compressive heating of the winds.

2 other SoCal Airports also are in noise abatement areas. Lindbergh (San Diego International) takes off over Point Loma ($$$ area) and the Military Base at Miramar NAS takes off over what amounts to
La Jolla. ($$$$) which is why it'll NEVER be converted to a commercial field.

I have an airport plan that NOBODY wants to hear about which may actually work?
Too much is never enough

 

RE: The entire east-west width of LA is in the approach pattern. Hard to escape it. nt , posted on January 13, 2017 at 16:01:40
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 True, indeed. Even my house, about 80 air miles away is on the OUTER approach. We have a boundry marker or whatever up on the coast about 9 miles from HERE. Aircraft go OVER my house, heading basically West and are at about 12,000 feet / descending. You can hear them but it isn't awful and only happens a couple times per day, tops.

But, I'm talking FINAL. That is the straight shot aircraft take at ever decreasing altitude until they touch down.
No Where NEAR as noisy as the other end of the runway at takeoff (full power!) but still annoying since it goes on almost 24 / 7

The proposed stadium is a couple miles from the end of the runway and maybe displaced a couple hundred feet from straight on.

I can hardly wait for a SuperBowl to be played there.
Too much is never enough

 

Its only football. , posted on January 13, 2017 at 18:00:22
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 Two teams will still only generate 16 games at the stadium.


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Me too!, posted on January 13, 2017 at 18:03:15
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 I love sports but hate corporate welfare. And of course they let them use eminent domain to get the land they want and underpay for it too.




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RE: Its only football. , posted on January 13, 2017 at 20:04:47
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 If it were ONLY football, I wouldn't be concerned.
But, you have 8th grade boys who know every wide receiver in the NFL but don't know in which century the Civil War was fought. That's a problem.
Factor in the greedy owners living off what amounts, in part, to a form of industrial welfare and there 'ya go.

Let's see. Owner makes Millions. Guy selling stuff at the stadium? maybe 10$ per hour and part time, at that.
Too much is never enough

 

RE: Its only football. , posted on January 14, 2017 at 05:16:04
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 owners make billions actually. I abhor what they get away with too. As to kids not knowing the century of the Civil War you have to admit if there were no football there would be just as many uneducated kids. That problem is systemic in both the failure of the family unit and our pathetic 21st century lifestyle. Media and advertising are controlling the mesage if you will and are the biggest culprit in this.


ET

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RE: Its only football. , posted on January 14, 2017 at 06:47:52
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 Consider this ... your school taxes in part fund entry level, Class A minor league football in middle-school. Your school taxes then also fund Class AA minor league football at the high-school level. Your taxes also probably pay for Class AAA minor league football at the college level. The NFL then DEMANDS that your taxes also pay for their stadiums. The NFL teams then, after having had you fund their entire talent development system AND their facilities charge ticket prices that regular people, who've paved the way for them, cannot afford. It is a sham and a perfect example of how corporate America always want to socialize the costs and privatize the profits. I refuse to take a willing part in this ripoff any longer. End of rant. It IS a cesspool of greed and depravity.

 

Headline today: CA is done spending public money on the NFL, posted on January 14, 2017 at 07:48:05
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 "Gone are the days where there is broad public support for taxpayer-funded stadiums. It's very difficult to find a rate of return in that investment,"

 

RE: Its only football. , posted on January 14, 2017 at 09:20:12
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 The entire NFL is in a downward spiral. If the only thing that keeps it going is taxpayer money then that form of welfare must be stopped. If the NFL can't survive on its own it should be allowed to die a quick death.

Too many teams, excessive expansion, exorbitant salaries, etc. But we, the public, still allow it to happen. If this continues we only have ourselves to blame.

Cheers,
SB

 

RE: Its only football. , posted on January 14, 2017 at 10:20:24
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 Hadn't got to the 'farm system' yet. But you appear to be right. Their exist other football leagues, but the NFL draws so little talent from them that it doesn't count.
Some guys are in a holding pattern in Europe, too, I'll bet.

NFL used to have 'development squads' as part of the team. I knew somebody who played for Denver on one such squad. Actually made a few downs in some real games.


Too much is never enough

 

RE: Headline today: CA is done spending public money on the NFL, posted on January 14, 2017 at 10:28:30
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 Good Article.

I don't see that anybody but me has mentioned Public Ownership of a portion of the team in question as a possible solution.

I still think that if Spanos had been willing to part with 20% (or so) of his team we wouldn't have this thread.
Too much is never enough

 

I've had season tickets for many years, posted on January 16, 2017 at 21:53:10
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 My brother and I chose not to renew them for this season-I wise choice, in retrospect. The downtown stadium proposition was a sham, as reported by local media today. Spanos is being allowed the deduct the cost of the stadium prop from his relocation fee. He never had any attention of keeping the team here, and allowed the fan base to spend an entire season thinking there was a glimmer of hope when all along he knew he was moving to LA-Goodell and the rest of the viper's nest that is the NFL ownership insisted on forestalling the move for a season to allow the Rams to reestablish their presence.

He is scum, a reprehensible individual. I'm done with the NFL.




 

RE: I've had season tickets for many years, posted on January 16, 2017 at 23:17:05
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 I just now read the SD Union article. They are a little pissed, but you can understand that. I get the feeling they are right, though. Spanos 'negotiated' to kill time.

If any team wants to come to SD, it'll be with EQUITY in the team as part of the deal.


Too much is never enough

 

RE: Hey Padreken-n-Pictureguy, ..., posted on January 17, 2017 at 10:52:07
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 ... know any good SoCal movers? Just read an article where the Chargers are having a hard time finding movers to help them transition from San Diego to Carson. They might have to resort to getting moving vans from Spanos's Stockton home town. BTW, here in Sactown, we got that Golden One Centre deal forced upon us. A Federal judge made damn sure it didn't make it onto the ballot a second time. 2008's downtown arena proposal, when the Maloofs still owned the team, went down in flames. Just like your Measure C. So we're on the hook for $20 million-a-year for God knows how long. A parting gift from former mayor Kevin Johnson.

 

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