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Eager for more details of Jean-Francois Lessard's Pantheon 2A3 PP amps!

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Posted on May 7, 2004 at 07:20:57
soulcargo
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Is the full write-up likely to be put up on the MQ site soon?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Thanks!

 

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Yep..so am I...just ordered the EXO-173!, posted on May 7, 2004 at 07:50:08
Bas Horneman
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My first Magnequest Iron :-)

Don't want to push Jeff though..I know that to do a proper writeup of a project takes time..lots of it..Luckily Jeff just finished his Phd. ;-)

Congratulations by the way on your Phd.!

Cheers,
Bas

 

Re: Eager for more details of Jean-Francois Lessard's Pantheon 2A3 PP amps!, posted on May 7, 2004 at 11:33:07
Jeff Lessard
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Hi!

Sorry for the wait. I've been busy finishing my PhD these days. It's now over so I'll go back to this project. There was some changes in the original circuit. I'm actually working on improving it a bit.

The actual goal is to write an "how to" as complete as possible that someone never having build an amp might follow abd achieve to do something.

 

Re: Eager for more details of Jean-Francois Lessard's Pantheon 2A3 PP amps!, posted on May 7, 2004 at 11:52:12
fred76
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Hi Jeff,

I hope that the design is easily adaptable for 300B's with only minor changes... Looking forward to your write-up. Thanks.

fred

 

Re: Eager for more details of Jean-Francois Lessard's Pantheon 2A3 PP amps!, posted on May 7, 2004 at 12:03:24
Jeff Lessard
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Well it should be easily convertible. But the requirements for driving a pair of 300B is a bit more than driving a pair of 2A3 so I'm not sure it would be optimised. It should be at least a really good starting point!

 

Re: Eager for more details of Jean-Francois Lessard's Pantheon 2A3 PP amps!, posted on May 7, 2004 at 16:52:15
Sector-7G
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Hye-Hey!!!,
Congrats on the Ph.D! I have a feeling that the M.S. is just a warm up for the 'Big One'. My hand is raised in a USMC-Crisp salute, and I wish you the best in your next pursuit. You have probably seen the linestage I built as a 'decompression project', and I hope yours turns out as well.
regards,
Douglas

 

Low power PP OPT, posted on May 7, 2004 at 18:37:05
John Swenson
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Hi Mike,
I'm working on a design of a little low power PP amp, according to my calculations I need a 40k CT primary and the usual 8ohm output. The power output is a big whopping 1 watt (the calculations show 0.98 watts!) (designed to drive very efficient horn speakers) The output stage is very well ballanced so there should be essentially no net DC through the thing. The B+ will be around 300V with around 10mA max through either side of the primary.

I'm having a VERY hard time finding anything that will work with this. The only ones I can find with the right impedances are 200-300 watt monsters, a little bit overkill for this. Do you have anything that would work for this?

I might also like to use this output stage as a preamp or headphone amp.

There is a Hammond OPT that would sort of work, but I'm aiming this at the best I can do, I want GOOD iron (nickel etc).

Thanks,

John S.

 

Re: Low power PP OPT, posted on May 7, 2004 at 18:51:27
Bob_C


 
What tube are you using?

Bob

 

Re: Eager for more details of Jean-Francois Lessard's Pantheon 2A3 PP amps!, posted on May 8, 2004 at 00:09:25
fred76
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But the requirements for driving a pair of 300B is a bit more than driving a pair of 2A3 so I'm not sure it would be optimised.

>>> I still hope that you may try out a 300B version if time permitting and post the "changes" here after your write-up...

Best,
fred

 

can you provide more info, please?, posted on May 8, 2004 at 06:36:17
mqracing
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Hi John:

I am not surprised that your having difficulty finding a 40Kct output trans...

in the literally thousands of audio transformer designs that we have in the archives... I cannot think of a one that would meet your specs....

what tubes are you using? are you sure you need 40kct primary?


MSL

 

Re: can you provide more info, please?, posted on May 10, 2004 at 14:35:30
John Swenson
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Hi Mike, this is a very unusual design, it uses the 6ar8 beam deflection tube! I got to thinking about this after hearing Allen Wright's talk at VSAC where he talks about a PP stage with CCS on the cathodes. Well the 6ar8 does this automatically in one tube. If you aren't familiar with these tubes they are basically a pentode with a split plate and a pair of deflection electrodes. The pentode part gives a very good CCS action, with 0V across the deflectors the cathode current is split evenly between the two plates. A difference across the defelectors causes the "beam" to defelct so one plate gets more current, the other gets exactly the same amount less. Perfect differential behavior. The transfer function from the deflectors to the plates is also probably the most linear transfer function of any tube, period.

Any way I thought this would make an ideal low power amp. The only problem is that its a high voltage low current device, hence the high impedance. I don't know of anyone that has used a transformer with this tube, its always used with a pair of 100k-200k plate resistors, which work fine for its intended purpose as a differential demodulator, but not so good for a power amp.

I know this is very unusual, but its characteristics are so perfect for this type of amp I have to give it a try.

I could go with a lower primary impedance, but then I have to change the operating point and get less power output, which would probably be fine for a preamp, but not so good for driving speakers or headphones.

Thanks for looking at this,

John S.

 

forty K and counting...., posted on May 11, 2004 at 05:34:06
MQracing


 
Hi John:

sounds like you have an interesting project... though daunting!

a 40Kct 1 watt output trans (w/ low impedance sec taps) is going to be hard to find... I'm afraid that we cannot offer you such a device.

best of success with your amp.

Mike

 

Re: can you provide more info, please?, posted on May 13, 2004 at 22:04:45
Paul Joppa
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John, this is way too cool an idea to drop!

Seems to me there was a fairly high impedance P-P transformer in the "Brooklyn" line at one time (old Freed designs). Not 40k, but maybe 10k-15k (?). Those were, IIRC, butt-stacked for a tiny airgap. If your power is low, maybe they could be stacked in 50% nickel for more inductance; if the balance is really good, maybe even interleaved. I have my doubts about mumetal (80% nickel) but who knows? You'd have to jigger the load, put a 16 ohm speaker on the 4 ohm tap or something like that. Maybe one of those toroid 4-8-16 ohm impedance converters following the OPT?

Now, take your Toshiba DVD and run a B7-5k from the DAC output, grounded to the 2.5v reference pin. The transformer will provide a 2nd order LP filter, and produce balanced (push-pull!) output. Not a bad way to drive this power amp - you could even do a Sakuma-style 6AR8 driver/6AR8 output... :^)

 

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