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My letter to the Detroit Jazz Festival (sigh.....)

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Posted on September 1, 2017 at 17:42:56
D Harvey
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Hello,

After coming to this festival regularly for 30-some years--mostly as a spectator, but also as both a student and professional performer--I was very surprised and disappointed by the extremely reduced level of access to the music this year. The paid seating section has grown by many times and the free seating that remains is not nearly enough to accommodate the number of listeners who have always shown up. My wife and I came downtown tonight to see Wayne Shorter and possibly a couple other acts, but were totally taken by surprise by the situation. Despite being about an hour early for the show, the free seats had clearly long been fully occupied. A large paid section sat mostly empty, but when I went to register I was told it was too late to get in to Friday's shows at any price. Oh, and seating will be like this all weekend, and if you want to get into VIP seating (which appears to be the only way one can have any confidence at all that they will be able to see and hear what's going on anymore), it will cost you $125 a day. My wife and I went home. I'm not interested in sitting outside a performance venue where I can barely see the screen or make out the music being played.

Okay....quality performances cost money. Nobody gets that more than me, a former full-time pro musician. I didn't complain when bringing in your own food was banned, I bought programs every year as well as records and CD's. I understand the need for this type of support. But this was a major change in policy that doesn't seem to have been well-communicated. To me, this festival is an institution I have supported and loved for decades. Tonight, I felt like that institution turned its back on me. For various reasons, money is always tight for us around this time. I could maybe justify paying that money for myself, a certifiable jazz nut, to come down for a day. But meet up with my young adult kids like I often have, or try to consume nearly every day of the festival as I have so many times? There's no way that is going to happen--and I make a good living! Maybe the character of the festival really needs to change in this way, I don't know. But I don't think it's really right to continue to promote this as the "largest free jazz festival in North America." It's only free on a lottery-type basis now...and it's certainly not what it used to be, when that descriptor was truly justified.

Sincerely,
Duane Harvey
dh

 

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RE: My letter to the Detroit Jazz Festival (sigh.....), posted on September 1, 2017 at 17:49:40
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That is awful....Is there a new promoter? Really unfortunate.....and hard to characterize it as free....

 

No..., posted on September 1, 2017 at 17:52:07
D Harvey
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...it's still Gretchen Valade of Mack Avenue Records. Main corporate sponsor is Quicken Loans. I'm really bummed. This marks a major change in the fundamental character of the festival. Doubly disappointing that this scenario was not made crystal clear. I could have avoided a wasted trip.

dh

 

RE: My letter to the Detroit Jazz Festival (sigh.....), posted on September 1, 2017 at 18:15:39
vinyl survivor
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Sorry to hear this. Our jazz festival is coming up in a couple weeks and all concerts are free. My city is much smaller so we have a lot of the same local/regional talent every year. That said, they always bring in a few people. This year's headliner is Wycliffe Gordon.

 

RE: My letter to the Detroit Jazz Festival (sigh.....), posted on September 2, 2017 at 10:24:10
D Harvey
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...I'm trying hard not to complain too much about this. The whole festival can be live-streamed for a lousy $10. I'm going to try that because at this point there is no chance I will get to see any of these shows live. Online sales of VIP seating has ceased. If I want to buy tickets for tomorrow or Monday (today's are already gone) I have to drive 45 minutes plus to downtown Detroit, pay $10 for parking, and hope that there are still seats available at the kiosk when I get there. Sorry....ain't gonna happen. Hopefully the podcast quality will be good, but it won't be the same no matter what. I wasn't planning to spend my weekend sitting on the couch. This kinda sucks.


dh

 

letter to the Detroit Jazz Festival, posted on September 2, 2017 at 12:08:43
hifitommy
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Duane, i feel you. as a jazz lover in LA, i have seen lots of great acts for not a lot of money but that day is becoming distant.

now, if Cecile mcLoran Salvant plays near you, PAY THE MONEY!

i have been reading your posts for a long time and i respect that you are one of the "cats" and your stance and opinions are solid. i, many times, skip to YOUR posts in a thread to get the straight skinny.

the Monterey jazz festival is all paid, i think and don't know whether it was ever free. it is pricey for me but if you and your squeeze want to have a nice vaction in California, that MIGHT be the right thing for you.
...regards...tr

 

RE: My letter to the Detroit Jazz Festival (sigh.....), posted on September 2, 2017 at 13:08:52
fantja
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Thanks! for sharing- dh.
Corporate sponsorship is to blame.

 

It may not be as bad as I thought. , posted on September 2, 2017 at 17:04:44
D Harvey
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Been watching the podcast most of the day. I would actually recommend it. Not the greatest video but the sound is more than adequate.. very comparable to the live sound. Better yet, from the glimpses of the crowd I've seen on the video feed it appears that only one of the four stages has been affected by the seating changes i saw last night. The affected stage is the one at the far north end of the festival, but that's the only one that was open last night. Very strange, I don't understand what's going on there but i will probably chance going down there tomorrow to see how it goes. I'll report back no matter what i find. I will be thrilled to write a partial retraction of my initial report. In the meantime, check out the podcast! At $10 it's a great value.

dh

 

RE: No..., posted on September 3, 2017 at 05:59:16
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I agree with almost everything you've said. Friday night was a debacle. What happened to the alluminum bleachers they have had in the past? We were forced into a cattle pen with a bunch of teenagers watching guard. No exut, just an exit. The crowd outside of the corral was insane. There were points that I was worried for my wife and friends.

 

Yeesh., posted on September 3, 2017 at 06:55:33
D Harvey
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Yeah, where the hell are the bleachers was one of the first things I said when we got there. Did you go down Saturday? Is the Chase stage the only one that has changed in this way?

Sounds like I made the right decision in leaving on Friday. Here's hoping this was just a bad decision of limited scope.
dh

 

RE: Yeesh., posted on September 3, 2017 at 08:12:39
WntrMute2
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Went yesterday all day. Had VIP seating Saturday and have it today. The TK Blue gig and the Danilo Perez trio were stunningly good. DeJonette was good as was Brian Blade. Heading down in a bit.

 

Are the other stages restricted?, posted on September 3, 2017 at 08:33:20
D Harvey
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Or are the Hart Plaza stages set up the same as in the past? I figured all of this out too late to have VIP seating for any day. Trying to figure out if I should go today/tomorrow or not. Thanks.
dh

 

RE: Are the other stages restricted?, posted on September 3, 2017 at 09:04:38
WntrMute2
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Yes. Like usual. Still hard to get a seat if no VIP pass but doable.

 

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