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Playing Duke Pearson's "Sweet Honey Bee" as an antidote to Charles Lloyd's

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Posted on June 28, 2021 at 12:01:37
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"Forest Flower." Variety is nice, and the Liberty Blue Note "Sweet Honey Bee" is very clear. I have read some slightly negative comments about Liberty Blue Note pressings, but that's not the case here to my ears. Of course, I have never heard the original Blue Note pressing and never will on my budget.

Pardon the clutter around the turntable, but my house is actually like that too.







 

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Antidote to Charles Lloyd? Poison Forrest Flowers? nt, posted on June 28, 2021 at 12:05:31
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Antidote also means to counteract. Poison not intended here., posted on June 28, 2021 at 12:53:06
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Charles Lloyd can often be free jazz and very aggressive. "Sweet Honey Bee" is mostly laid back and easy on the ears. I do listen to some of Charles Lloyd's LPs. You could never accuse him of playing background music.

 

RE: Antidote also means to counteract. Poison not intended here., posted on June 28, 2021 at 19:17:48
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Lloyd has been performing from 1956, the year I was born. One cannot summarize his music in a simple Asylum post because he has created 6 decades of very diverse, highly creative music. For everything he has done which you might find aggressive, he has done other things quite melodic and comforting.

No need to dis one artist to praise another.

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I wasn't dissing anyone. I said "variety is nice." I also kept the , posted on June 28, 2021 at 19:33:28
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"Forest Flower" LP and have been playing it.

I also used the words "often be free jazz." That means not always.

I don't know how you come up with "praising one while dissing the other." I never used the words "praise" or "dis" for either artist.

I was simply going from one mood to another, and never said that one was bad and the other good.

 

RE: I wasn't dissing anyone. I said "variety is nice." I also kept the , posted on June 28, 2021 at 19:36:44
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I apologia if I misrepresented your intentions. It is just how it came off to me. I am a big Lloyd fan, and I know from some of your early post that your taste in Jazz is much more limited than mine.

Again, sorry.

Ciao,
"Anyone who understands jazz knows that you can't understand it. It's too complicated. That's what's so simple about it." - Yogi Berra.

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And I guess that I shouldn't have used the word "antidote" to describe, posted on June 28, 2021 at 19:44:04
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switching from one listening mood to another.

 

RE: And I guess that I shouldn't have used the word "antidote" to describe, posted on June 28, 2021 at 21:17:43
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Free Jazz and Aggressive aren't terms I normally associate with Charles Lloyd. Not sure you have listened to enough jazz to understand what those terms mean.

 

Provide me with your terms. nt, posted on June 28, 2021 at 21:37:15
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RE: Provide me with your terms. nt, posted on June 29, 2021 at 06:22:42
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I am not GEO, and they are not my words, but try listening to some Cecil Taylor solo and duo recordings. They are freer than free, left of left field, the avant in avant-garde, etc., yet most of his tunes (tunes used lightly) are by no means aggressive. OTOH, I would not call Coltrane from the early sixties free jazz (some might), but many of his live solos certainly were aggressive. Jazz is an American National Treasure (HR 57). Listen, learn and embrace it (except Kenny G and Grace Kelly).

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Relax, Everything isn't necessarily for Everyone! You listened, posted on June 29, 2021 at 07:22:59
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To Charles And Duke Pearson.
You don't need to like everything equally.
I don't!
If you need an Antidote once in a while, go for it!

 

RE: Provide me with your terms. nt, posted on June 29, 2021 at 09:17:41
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Ivo Perelman and Charles Gayle for example.

 

You should get this....., posted on June 29, 2021 at 09:44:55
My fave Lloyd recording. Great playing/tunes/group and excellent sound (at least on my LP). Not aggressive music and I think you'd enjoy it.

 

RE: Relax, Everything isn't necessarily for Everyone! You listened, posted on June 29, 2021 at 09:46:22
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I need to go back to Sweet Honey Bee...-.I was talking to a friend about this album a few months ago. My favorite is Wahoo. It was the first Duke Pearson Album I owned.

 

RE: Relax, Everything isn't necessarily for Everyone! You listened, posted on June 29, 2021 at 10:59:33
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I liked the Duke Pearson Big Band, late 60's, around the same time as Thad and Mel.
I love the Half-Time on Straight Up and Down.
And they did Tones for Joan's Bones.

 

Thanks. I was just changing moods, not criticizing anyone. I look for , posted on June 29, 2021 at 16:22:59
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and almost exclusively listen to jazz these days. I know it's a treasure, and I'm glad it exists.

In addition, I admit that I certainly do not like some artists' music, while you folks may enjoy them. Of the LPs I personally have, I do not like Ornette Coleman, most of Eric Dolphy, and all of Alice Coltrane. I will be selling those later this year.

The loud and fast playing of notes that don't seem connected just doesn't sound like music to me. Oh well.

 

RE: Thanks. I was just changing moods, not criticizing anyone. I look for , posted on June 29, 2021 at 16:50:58
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Don't get rid of them. I sold Eric Dolphy's Out To Lunch shortly after I listened to it...-..it took me about 6 years to come to like Eric Dolphy. Ornette's music is more bluesy than anything most experienced people would call Avant-garde.

 

Thanks, I will research that one now. I do have a copy of Geeta, posted on June 29, 2021 at 17:28:50
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that I have never cleaned and played. Looks pretty unusual.




 

RE: Relax, Everything isn't necessarily for Everyone! You listened, posted on June 29, 2021 at 17:38:34
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ABSOLUTELY!!

 

I certainly don't like Kenny G, and I don't like most of Dacid Sanborn, posted on June 29, 2021 at 17:45:42
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Bob James, and Lee Ritenour.

 

RE: Thanks. I was just changing moods, not criticizing anyone. I look for , posted on June 30, 2021 at 04:00:57
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Absolutely!
Coleman, Dolphy and Taylor are Avant-Garde. There is a place for everyone in the Jazz world.

 

RE: Antidote also means to counteract. Poison not intended here., posted on June 30, 2021 at 04:02:11
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Agreed,
6 decades is a tremendous body of work. CL played many styles of Jazz to date.

 

RE: Thanks, I will research that one now. I do have a copy of Geeta, posted on June 30, 2021 at 06:38:33
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Here is another excellent record. Most from this period are excellent

 

Well, I have taken your advice, and I am re-listening to "Out to Lunch,", posted on June 30, 2021 at 13:42:11
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and "Last Date." Both NM records only cost me $3 at an estate sale, so I am certainly not out anything.

These two Dolphy records are better listened to solo for me at least. When a certain someone was also in the room, the records came off the turntable quickly. The second time, I had to turn the sound way down.

"Last Date" seems more melodic than "Out to Lunch," and only Freddie Hubbard's trumpet bothered me some on the tune "Out to Lunch."

Obviously, Dolphy is not everyone's type of music, and I love the LP jacket comment, "This one was wild and wooly, played all kinds of unmentionable things you wouldn't say in front of your mother."

Spellman's liner notes at the end of "Out to Lunch" are both interesting and especially sad, as can be seen in the last picture below.

















 

RE: Well, I have taken your advice, and I am re-listening to "Out to Lunch,", posted on June 30, 2021 at 15:30:19
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I took the record back...-..I then heard it during intermission of a play about 5 years later and went to the sound board to ask what was playing. I knew the guy was going to say Out To Lunch. It took me three years to find it again.

 

Ivo Perelman, posted on June 30, 2021 at 22:27:13
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I have heard him in person at the Vision Festival, and the last time I was in New York I met him on the MTA bus from LaGuardia Airport (but didn't initially recognize him.) We were both a bit confused about the new ticketing system; he was caring an alto case so I asked him where he was coming from. He said he was coming from a recording session in Chicago. I asked him with whom, and he said people I never heard of. I told him I a knew a few musicians in Chicago, and he said he was with Joshua Abrams and Hamid Drake. I told him I knew Joshua and had produced a few cd's featuring Hamid, and then he told me his name. He was humble and seemed moved I knew who he was. He told me he was now had a relatively successful visual art/painting career in Europe and South America which now funded his recent music recordings.

 

I certainly could not afford it these days. Lucky you found one. nt, posted on June 30, 2021 at 23:42:56
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RE: Ivo Perelman, posted on July 1, 2021 at 07:24:28
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Thanks for posting that. A friend met him in Canada and said his playing was overwhelming...-.. not sure how he did it. My buddy told him his stamina was incredible he said "thanks and I am dealing with a cold"...-LOL

 

RE: I certainly could not afford it these days. Lucky you found one. nt, posted on July 1, 2021 at 07:30:17
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It was mid 1990's when I re-bought it!

 

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