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Is there a Font close to what Karlson used for his early decal?

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Posted on January 15, 2017 at 10:10:54
freddyi
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I'd like to print some "decals" for my cabinets where the decals are long gone (and custom K cabinets)

Microsoft Word's standard font in script just isn't close enough

i don't have the skills to work from picture below taken plus assume prices could be pretty high for waterslide decals.


are there common transparent sheets for such work? (i don't currently own a printer)

closest I could find so far is Singlesville - it would be nice to find something a bit closer still


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I asked a design/hifi maven of my ken, posted on January 16, 2017 at 14:01:35
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-- Bruce Kennett, who some of you may know from his days associated with "Listener" magazine.

Bruce, who is a heck of a guy (but not an AA "inmate" at present), kindly offered this information and allowed/encouraged me to share it:

You want the type called Trafton Script. It was designed in 1933 by Howard Trafton and issued by the Bauer Type Foundry. Back in the metal days Bauer sold it as Quick in Germany, and in France as Étoile, but any digital versions are likely to be located via Trafton Script name.

Well, there we have it!

The photo shows Art Dudley & Bruce Kennett from the Listener days (see link below).


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RE: I asked a design/hifi maven of my ken, posted on January 16, 2017 at 17:43:33
freddyi
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WOW ! that's wonderful - - many thanks ! ! ! - (got the other decal's font to be identified too)

this is a beautiful script - what else for the worlds greatest speaker !


Here's the rare later (I think) Karlson decal - it would be great if its fonts could also be identified for posterity




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Here's A Free Download Of That Script, posted on January 17, 2017 at 14:24:06
thetubeguy1954
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Freddyi I did a perusal of the "net" and located this site which will provide you with a FREE download of the Trafton Script! I hope this helps you out in some small way...

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RE: Here's A Free Download Of That Script, posted on January 18, 2017 at 20:37:56
freddyi
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thanks for that link - I'll check it out. A few minutes after Mark posted the script's name, I loaded a copy of it in "Word: and set the 3-color custom parameters to: 225-175-55 for a gold look. I think other than color, it looks indistinguishable from the old decal's font


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RE: Here's A Free Download Of That Script, posted on February 3, 2017 at 04:16:48
thump
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i doubt you'll EVER find an exact match as the original logo was hand made and NOT from a "font".

still, you MIGHT be able to find something a little closer if you're willing to put a few DAYS into researching at font sites. i wouldn't just look for "script" fonts, but more specifically "brush script" fonts and then maybe "hand written" or "hand drawn" after that. brush script would be your main keyword to search.

if you REALLY want to "do it right" when you can't find a font, the best thing to do would be to download a freeware drawing/paint program that would let you trace off of an original logo. it'd be a lot of work, but if you REALLY want perfection, that's how a graphic artist would do it.

there weren't a lot of fonts back in the day like there are now with computers. people drew logos by hand in the stone age

 

RE: indistinguishable, posted on February 3, 2017 at 04:24:42
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lucky for you, you're not a graphic artist.

the match is CLOSE, but far from indistinguishable

without even looking back to nitpick, the font you chose is lacking weight. you should try bolding that which might get you another step closer if not way too heavy.

it's just that things average people can't pick up on are glaring to my eyes.

for what it's worth, the version i re-posted looks MUCH BETTER to my eyes, but you'd have to search through a bunch (as in THOUSANDS) of conventional fonts to find something close to that particular "K".

if you're not so much trying to be 100% authentic as capture the original vibe, you should be able to find a script font that looks even BETTER than the old logo. looking at it, i'm POSITIVE it was hand drawn as the letter sizes aren't too consistent like a carefully designed font would be. someone freehanded it, then perfected it, but didn't map it out on a grid & design it for full alphabet consistency.

there are, i'm sure, a lot of brush script fonts out there where the letters properly connect as they should (NEVER happened before desktop publishing!) and that have a more even weight. (letter thickness variation)

look at the R & especially the S. they go much higher than the rest of the letters. the R,S & N have almost no weight variation whereas the A & O have more thickness variation and MOST telling, look at the left "spine" on the letter R, it's almost vertical while it's very angled on the N. even more subtle, the spacing between letters isn't consistent. the ARL has wider spacing than the SON.

there's other clues, but those stick out the most and would be easier for you to see once you know what to look for.

 

RE: finding fonts, posted on February 3, 2017 at 04:59:25
thump
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i STARTED browsing fonts to see if i could find something close, but it seems that searches are even more blind than they used to be at a lot of sites but i found a REALLY nice twist on font searches here:

https://www.fonts.com/browse?filter=family:classification:script&skip=0

there's 402 pages of "brush script" fonts to browse there and trust me, font browsing is very mind numbing, BUT that site offers a really nice twist on font searches. once you narrow your search down to script fonts, you can enter "Karleson" into the secondary search engine under the main one and to the right, next to the "classification" text at the top of the sidebar, and then every time you browse a new page of script fonts, all of the results will read Karleson making it MUCH easier to either match a logo or improve on it instead of browsing with text examples based on font names which might not contain a single letter you need.

i've NEVER seen that option for font browsing and if you're willing to put the time in browsing 402 pages (a couple hours at least) you might come up with something better. no guarantees, but searching fonts with your EXACT text in the results is as good as it gets.

after finding i could input whatever text i want into the browsing, i went back to page 0 with Karleson as the "search term" so you can browse all of that site's script fonts displaying Karleson without fiddling with the interface. when you get to the bottom of the page, just hit the "right button" next to the [402] pages counter to go to the next page until you find the "perfect" font, or at least the best one at that site. every site has different fonts, but this is the BEST way i've ever seen to font match.

hope that helps you improve your logo

 

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