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Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe

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Posted on September 24, 2014 at 07:20:52
bonzo
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 I love horns, I love the Cessaro Liszt (retail 100k GBP), the Tune Audio Anima (32k GBP), and the Avantgarde Trios are nice though too big. I don't like the Duos, and many other horns that I have heard as I have a problem with their bass. I have seen some DIY horns in the UK which leave a lot to be desired. The Acapellas are good for midrange, problem with the bass, and expensive. All the quality horns are too expensive, and I don't like their lower priced siblings

In the absence of cheaper well-integrated horns I stick to panels and happy. Yet will like to find a good horn.

So, What horns should I look out for that can come used for around upto 10k? I haven't heard Haigner horns or BD Horns.

I would like mellifluous vocals, good separation and dynamics on symphonies, would help if they project out the midrange like Cessaro or Acapella. I can compromise on the bass a bit.
Kedar

 

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RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on September 24, 2014 at 09:37:46
b.l.zeebub
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 Danley Sound Labs (tomservo) Synergy horns are the only fully horn-loaded ones I've seen which are not obviously flawed.

Not a great choice in finishes but available for less than $10k new.
However I do not know if they got european distribution but I think Yorkville built something similar under licence.

 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on September 24, 2014 at 11:51:48
lokie
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 Commission a good carpenter to build from plans. A really nice horn system could be built for a portion of your budget, including drivers and crossovers.

It's difficult for commercial enterprises to manufacture and sell horn systems and make a profit without a lot of compromises.

Check out Inlow Sounds website below. There are others as well.

 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on September 24, 2014 at 12:08:19
Cut-Throat
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 Check out Oris Horns in the Netherlands.



 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on September 24, 2014 at 12:49:28
bonzo
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 Thanks guys. Yes will check the BD Oris out.

I will try to find Danley in the UK. I am not sure about getting a carpenter because the DIY horns I have seen so far have been pretty poor. Maybe it's the use of drivers, and it needs good compression drivers which makes things expensive.
Kedar

 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on September 24, 2014 at 14:56:38
Inmate51
 I'm tempted to ask why they have to be horns. Speakers are simply transducers which convert electrical energy into acoustical energy via the movement of a diaphragm. Who cares how they're designed, if the results are good? But anyway...

Look at www.meyersound.com. From a humble beginning back in about 1978, to a large and well-known pro loudspeaker company today, they make a wide variety of horn-loaded and not horn-loaded loudspeakers for the pro markets, with very high sound quality.

:)

 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on September 24, 2014 at 15:01:17
bonzo
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 Well, after auditioning all speakers that I can, I have only liked very costly horns, and then panels. Not a single box, except the new Verity Audio series (Leonore etc) does some good things. I like that horns can also be pushed to the wall, unlike panels. And can be driven by low wattage amps. I have tried sensitive non-horn speakers like Zu Audio, Zingalis and Audionote, and to me they are just meh, not something I would spend on.
Kedar

 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on September 24, 2014 at 15:47:10
Cut-Throat
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 Agree, Horns are special. Especially mated with Compression Drivers. I have not heard any other speaker match the Speed, Dynamics and Clarity of a Horn with a Compression Driver.



 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on September 24, 2014 at 19:44:08
hottattoo
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 bonzo,

I second lokie's suggestion--get a good carpenter and have him make a proper front loaded mid bass horn as that is heart of the system and the most difficult to get right. The midrange horn (bigger is better ) can be purchased from DIY Audio group along with a TAD or Vitavox compression driver and you are almost home free. There is also a horn mfg.( fiberglass ) somewhere in Poland, but I can't remember the name. Add a good Fostex tweeter and subwoofer and enjoy the music plus save a boat load of money.

 

Klipsch Jubilee, posted on September 25, 2014 at 07:48:03
WithTarragon
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 If you want a fully horn loaded system (including a horn loaded bass, see if you can find a distributer for the Klipsch Jubilee. You might need to contact a pro-sound vendor. There are shops in England and Germany that carry them, otherwise it can be difficult to audition them.

 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on September 25, 2014 at 08:35:13
lokie
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 “the DIY horns I have seen so far have been pretty poor”

Well… Not sure what you’ve “seen” and there is a lot of schlock out there but if you can focus in on the right stuff, I think one could outperform any commercial offering… certainly under $25k or so. It takes more work but that’s what makes the hobby fun and ultimately more satisfying. Way more fun than buying some over the top expensive, compromised, off the shelf system that you’re going to get tired of in 6 months. You will be able to dial in the room and tone with tweaking the crossover and compression drivers. You will then qualify to wear the super cool connoisseur badge leaving the goofy looking consumer hat behind:)




 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on September 25, 2014 at 17:17:11
Mr_Steady
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 Hi Bonzo,

I love horns too. Let me lay down a dream horn system that would make Bonzo go Gonzo. You have got some great suggestions so far, this is just another.

You got the cash, and I'm going with you having the just as important square footage in you swinging London pad.

First though, the website for Autotech horns is: http://www.horns-diy.pl/
I have a pair of their 12" OSWG horns. I can attest to their excellent quality. EricH at DIY Soundgroup has done a great deal to help American DIY'ers, but the economics of shipping big horns across the Atlantic twice doesn't usually work out well.

Here it goes:

Two options for bass bins. One, a pair of Bill Fitzmaurice HT Tubas with 12" drivers, or two, a pair of Autotech 80hz J horns, maybe with a BF HT as a sub. The J horns would be guaranteed to flip any audiophile's lid. Crossover points, maybe 250hz for the HT, and 300hz for the J horn? BF and many others would know better.

Mid horn, the Autotech 150hz Spherical horn loaded with a BMS 4592ND. Run it up to 3000hz.

For the tweeter the AT OSWG makes a fine one. Most any driver would work. To me, the tweeter is necessary, but not critical. Let's just say BMS.

You will need an electronic crossover. Three way, maybe four way with a sum switch. Maybe your preamp has two signal outs. I would suggest Marchand, but for a dream system you could also consider Accuphase.

You will need some measurement software like HOLMImpulse, mic, and computer, so at least you can set the levels for the three horns.

But really that's it! The blood is leaving my head just thinking about it.

The scenario I've given you is one that is pretty linear requiring little or no EQ. The Danley horns may really be better. I haven't heard them, but I plan to. My Red Spade PSE-144s just arrived, so I will have an idea. ( I swear I'll try to post pictures.)Frankly though the thought of going down to 100db efficiency makes me shudder. A 300b amp should just cut it. Also they require EQ. I would like to try a Danley two way on top of the J horns. That would be a dream system too. The Inlow sound 80hz straight horn would rock too, but it does extend one and a third meters into your room.

Horns and SET amps go together. One allows for the other to be used. They're foils. Triamping these horns is just about the only way to use sub two watt amplifiers, which is where the fun, and some of the magic is. Stats are cool, but you can't use SET amps. Not even big scary ones.

It's the front loaded horn bass bins that take it all the way. Don't compromise. Go all the way.

Jamie


Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!

 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on September 26, 2014 at 00:10:24
bonzo
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 Thanks for the detailed message. Unfortunately I can't make out much of the tech stuff, the thing is if someone has made a horn this way I would be interested in listening to it.
Kedar

 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on September 26, 2014 at 05:32:13
Mr_Steady
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 You're welcome. I didn't know any of the tech stuff when I bought my Klipsch LaScalas. It's kind of the nature of the beast. When I posted I didn't know you're skill or DIY motivation level.

It's hard to recommend a plug and play system. You've already rejected the big two. Maybe you can find some used Klipsch heritage's in Britain. Just to get your feet wet. You would only have to replace the mid horn and driver. Easy to do, just set the new horn on top of the cabinet and plug it in. Anybody can do that. If you go that route, then you can always check in and ask for recommendations.

Also there are only two SET amps I know of that can man-handle a passive crossover.

I encourage you to give horns a try. They are the real thing.

Jamie


Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!

 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on September 26, 2014 at 08:39:28
Mick Wolfe
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 Not in Europe, but I believe he's sold product to European customers. Check out dc 10 speakers made in Santa Fe, NM. I have two friends who are owners and can't stop raving about them. I'm hoping dc 10 shows up at RMAF as I've never heard them personally.

 

Odeon Nr.32 or 28...used, posted on September 27, 2014 at 02:16:10
morricab
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 New price is well over 10K but they can be found used for under 10K from time to time. Amazing good speakers and superbly integrated

 

RE: Odeon Nr.32 or 28...used, posted on September 27, 2014 at 02:19:47
bonzo
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 Ah yes, the German ones. I have to check them out
Kedar

 

What WithTarragon said~nT, posted on September 27, 2014 at 17:03:25
Cleantimestream
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 ~!
The Mind has No Firewall~ U.S. Army War College.

 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on September 27, 2014 at 18:03:29
Coytee
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 If you can get to Slough, you might contact Ralph at Artesian Audio.

http://artisanaudio.co.uk/

Unless he's moved, he's in Slough and has some Jubilee's as mentioned above. He's helped several others get them into their hands.

 

Swing on ebay, posted on September 28, 2014 at 00:27:26
smart845
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 BD horns Swing on eBay now Only £8K a bargain

You won't regret getting them.

 

RE: Odeon Nr.32 or 28...used, posted on September 28, 2014 at 06:50:17
Mr_Steady
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 Kedar,

I think a lot of it comes down to how much you know about multi-amping and taking measurements, and whether you are willing to learn it. If you don't know it, then you could teach yourself in a weekend with the right resources.

The Jubes require bi-amping, and the Odeon four way bi-amping at least. Oris too if you used a horn bass bin.

I suggest that before you spend any money on a Big Rig horn system you do one bit of background research. Go to Elliot Sound Products and read the two articles on multi-amping. Then go to Marchand Electronics and read everything on the site. Let us know what you think. Don't pay somebody else to make this decision for you.

Jamie


Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!

 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on September 29, 2014 at 09:28:57
KanedaK
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 A bit over your budget...

 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on September 29, 2014 at 11:22:52
hvbias
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 Agreed.

 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on September 29, 2014 at 13:18:09
bonzo
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 Thanks, listening to Simon's Ucellos on Wednesday
Kedar

 

Horns, panels. Listen to this., posted on September 29, 2014 at 23:48:44
jusbe
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Big J

"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."


 

RE: Odeon Nr.32 or 28...used, posted on September 30, 2014 at 02:22:07
morricab
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 Why does the Odeon need biamping? I am sure it can be biamped but I don't think it NEEDS to be biamped.

 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on September 30, 2014 at 07:13:33
KanedaK
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 Fantastic! Let us know how it turned out!

 

RE: Odeon Nr.32 or 28...used, posted on September 30, 2014 at 17:08:00
Mr_Steady
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Short answer; you are right. The don't have to.

I suppose there is such a thing as a four-way passive high level crossover. Would it sound any good? Would it suck every bit of damping factor out of your amp? Would it turn fantastic tight horn bass into mush?

The photo is of the speaker system of theirs I liked best. It shows a three way cabinet with two big horn subwoofers behind them. That makes them a four-way. The round mid/bass horns seem smallish, and I was thinking they probably don't go down to 100hz. Romy posted on his site 150hz, and he could be right. Some people can and will live with bass extension that only goes down to 100, but 150 and everybody would want a sub. If it's 150, then I think it was designed as a four-way.

Oh hell, to the point. You would wind up bi-amping those subs one way or another. Even if you downsized to active sealed subs, you will still be bi-amping, because the crossover is before the amp inside the sub. Either passive or active.

It's just nobody worries about dialing in an active sub by ear. Okay, some do. I would tell the OP or anybody else, that if you can dial in a sub by ear, then you can dial in a bi-amped three-way by ear.

I think a two-way active crossover is as simple to use as an active sub.

I'm glad the OP gets an opportunity to hear the Ucellos. He just may like them.

Jamie









Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!

 

RE: Odeon Nr.32 or 28...used, posted on October 1, 2014 at 01:51:57
morricab
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 Well, I haven't heard that prototype (it is not a model available on their website). What I have heard is the Nr. 32 and Nr. 38 both of which are passive 3-way designs. I have owned the little Orfeo, which is one of the nicest bookshelf speakers I have heard and I have heard the La Boheme, which is a large fully horn loaded 2-way design (98db/watt) with passive outboard xover. In none of these setups were biamping or active xovers.

 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on October 1, 2014 at 20:40:52
Wojciech
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 I think for $10k you should be able to commission an accomplished builder to assemble you a pair with basic, cheap drivers. It won't be easy to find one and most certainly not in any DIY forums I'm aware of.. . Edgarhorn Titan with uprated components should be on the same level with Cessaro Liszt , AG TRIO etc. for fraction of the price, You would have to put up with "the look' though.
Or you can send the check to Romy the Cat and if he finds you not a total imbecile and waste of time his Jewish part of nature may persuade him to design something effective to suits your needs and budget:)

 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on October 1, 2014 at 22:44:14
bonzo
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 Thanks, will look for Edgarhorn in UK/Europa
Kedar

 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on October 2, 2014 at 11:16:49
EduardG
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Tineo horn. I don't think they are selling in Europe. But at the Newport Beach THE last May they sounded fabulous.

 

Do You Mean Around In 10k British Pounds or Euros?, posted on October 2, 2014 at 15:29:28
thetubeguy1954
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Seeing as how everyone seems to be recommending a speaker, I'd like to suggest these beautiful CH Audio Sculptor made here in sunny Florida. Like most others it's a bit above your limit. But I felt you should see them none the less...

I'm listening to: Continuum by Continuum




Thetubeguy1954 (Tom)

Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers


 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on October 3, 2014 at 08:55:37
rahman
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 If you listen to only digital sources, then I'd have a good listen to the avantgarde zeros. Sounded pretty good at munich this year, with an incredibly large soundstage, and bass seemed to integrate quite nicely.

Complete pre/amp/speaker package for circa £10K.

 

RE: Do You Mean Around In 10k British Pounds or Euros?, posted on October 10, 2014 at 10:35:29
Mr_Steady
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 Hi Tom,

The guy at CH Audio rebuilds old ALTEC compression drivers into field coil drivers.

Have you ever heard his speakers? Did anything about the tweeters jump out at you? I would like to hear them.

Thanks.

I wonder how Kedar's listening session went.

Jamie


Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!

 

RE: Do You Mean Around In 10k British Pounds or Euros?, posted on October 10, 2014 at 13:25:56
thetubeguy1954
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 Jamie I've never made it down there. I take very heavy-duty pain-killers, muscle-relaxers and nerve pain meds daily. Because of that I don't like driving very far unaccompanied ---{in fact I usually tag along with others and pay for their gas in such cases}--- and I haven't found anyone willing to take that 237 mile, 3.5 to 4 hour drive, just to go listen to the CH Audio Sculptor speakers... But I really wished I could hear them someday!







I'm listening to: A Paul Simon Songbook by Bill Cunliffe & Friends
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom)

Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers


 

RE: Do You Mean Around In 10k British Pounds or Euros?, posted on October 13, 2014 at 17:34:46
Mr_Steady
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 Hi Tom,

I'm very sorry you have the need for heavy pain killers.

Look at it this way, There are a lot worse ways to spend your life than listening to beutiful music on a top notch stereo while doing heavy drugs. Just think of the poor people in Syria.

Tom, if I ever go for a listen to CH audio I'll pick you up on the way. That's a promise. You can pay for the gas, and buy lunch! And I can listen to those cool looking backloaded single driver horns of yours. So many audio possibilities, and not enough money or time.

Jamie




Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!

 

RE: Do You Mean Around In 10k British Pounds or Euros?, posted on October 16, 2014 at 13:16:24
thetubeguy1954
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 Jamie,

As an ex-missionary my heart truly breaks primarily for my Syrian Christian brothers & sisters in Christ, who not only have to suffer through all the same horrible consequences of the various middle-eastern wars & battles, their fellow Syrian citizens suffer through! But even worse and on top of all that, these poor people have to suffer watching the beatings & beheadings of their husbands & children ---{if they refuse to deny Christ and become Muslim}--- and then they're repeatedly raped before also being beaten & beheaded themselves.

The Voice of the Martyrs, a Christian organization, has a free DVD they're giving away called: "Liena's Prayer" It's about the story of a Christian woman named Liena who tells about the persecution she witnessed taking place to the Christian's in her village at the hands of wacked out terrorists who commit these terrible atrocities in the name of Islam & Allah! I don't wish to go into too much detail here ---{for any who are interested, the link below contains the complete video, which tells Liena's entire story}--- because this is an audio site and it wouldn't be appropriate to do that here.

As far as my paying for the gas, and lunch "if" you pick me up to go visit CH Audio someday. Consider that a done deal! When we come back we can most certainly listen to the Sachiko's with their treated cones Dayton PS220-8 single drivers & Fostex T900a super-tweeters crossed in between 8Khz to 10Khz! And just so we can sit and listen at leisure for as long as we so choose to. You'd be welcome to spend the night in my spare bedroom. That way you wouldn't have to drive too long after you leave or check into a hotel/motel when you do.

I really enjoy meeting friends from forums via listening sessions at my home. It's a great learning experience for me because I have people over who:

1) don't really know me.
2) probably won't ever see me again.
3) have no reason to "pull punches" about what they honestly believe the system's pluses & minuses are.

Most people ask me; "How do you know if they're telling you the truth?" Well I believe reason's 1 & 2 up above covers that area. But if you're one of those you thinks ---{as guests in my home they're just being polite}--- I believe that # 3 takes care of that possibility. Still for those who are still cynical. I've discovered over the years people have no qualms about telling you the truth about your system's sonic pluses. But very few are willing to honestly tell you the truth your system's sonic faults! This is probably because:

1) they don't want to hurt your feelings in your own home.
2) they don't know if you'll get insulted or even angry and throw them out!

I've often wondered who these people think they're fooling? After all who knows the sound of my system any more intimately than I do? So do they honestly believe I don't know what my system's weak areas are? But as I said it's a great learning experience for me, because I learn a lot about the people who visit by how honestly they'll tell me what they hear my system doing right or wrong. Those who answer these questions honestly are people whose opinions I know I can honestly trust in other areas of as well...



I'm listening to: Breakfast in America by Supertramp




Thetubeguy1954 (Tom)

Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers


 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on October 17, 2014 at 06:03:03
KanedaK
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 Curious about Simon Mears Ucellos... did you finally hear them?

 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on October 17, 2014 at 06:06:10
Joseph Crowe
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 To answer your question I suggest buying this book and having a read. There is an excellent chapter on horns and the advantages they bring.

Loudspeakers: For music recording and reproduction

http://www.amazon.ca/Loudspeakers-For-music-recording-reproduction/dp/0240520149

Forums are great for specific questions however for really in depth insight into certain topics there is no substitute for books and first hand experience.

 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on October 17, 2014 at 06:26:34
bonzo
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 Hi yes, they are nice, but not for me. Like I said in my first post, horns are excellent when they are big, but I think a smaller horn has so many compromises there are many non-horn speakers that I prefer. I will check out the Odeon nr. 32 and Martion orons and danleys.
Kedar

 

RE: Around 10k well integrated horns in Europe, posted on October 17, 2014 at 07:32:43
mes
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 $35K list. Even the ones on AGON for $26K are a bit of a stretch for a $10K budget.

 

RE: Do You Mean Around In 10k British Pounds or Euros?, posted on October 17, 2014 at 20:33:51
Mr_Steady
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 Hi Tom,

We both know the types of things that are going to happen before the end of the current age. We know because we have been told beforehand. But if this age ends, then a new one can begin, and we can look forward to that age with great hope.

Linked below is VICE NEWS. They make the best documentaries. Check out "Inside ISIS," and then watch some of the linked videos like "Ghosts of Aleppo." You won't see it anywhere else.

I enjoy meeting other audiophiles too, as they are pretty slim in my neck of the woods. It's always the best part of going to shows. At RMAF I found a few rooms I liked, but met a lot of people I liked, had many great conversations, and learned a great deal. I wish AXPONA would come back to Jax. Had fun there too.

There is nothing wrong with letting a fresh pair of ears hear your system. It can be informative, especially if the person has any kind of good taste, or just loves music.

Thanks for the invite. I'll keep it tucked away. The last time I almost went to Orlando was for an Edison cylinder player show. Now that's a horn system! Pretty loud for 0.00mv. Talk about a toy for horn boys.

Jamie






Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!

 

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