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MQA and OPPO

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Posted on May 26, 2016 at 10:32:03
Dennis1
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 FYI from OPPO

Dennis,


The ability to support playing back MQA is being looked into, but at this time we do not know if the DSP in the player will be able to handle it. If it can, then we can add the feature through a future firmware. If it can't, then we will need to release an entirely new player to access this new compression protocol.

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RE: MQA and OPPO, posted on May 28, 2016 at 09:04:19
Erdo
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 And it is really not necessary. I use an Oppo 95 and that plays high res wave and flace files, also multichannel perfectly, via a usb stick or via my laptop and wifi using foobar or Twonky.
The newer 105 generation players even play DSD edited master files directly with usb drive or via network with Twonky or another player/server software.
For all my other 2 channel playback, usually for headphone I use a IFIDSDmicro via usb and it is very easy to play DSD stereo files, edited master type or even the cutting master image files, that Pentatone sells for instance. Then you have all the track information as if playing it on a SACD player.
I do not think we need MQA or any other prorietary format other than what is already available, and for more than 5 channels like AURO 3d, it would be nice if FLAC would support that, so we can also play those lossless reduced files in the future.

 

RE: MQA and OPPO, posted on May 28, 2016 at 09:36:11
Dennis1
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 Erdo -- the reason I asked them was related to the future availability of DSD or FLAC files if the majors (see that Warner has announced they will support MQA) stop providing them and only have MQA. Also there might well be other titles not now provided --

 

Schiit don't think so either. And have explained it as they see it., posted on June 2, 2016 at 01:53:56
jusbe
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 Schiit Audio: Why We Won't Be Supporting MQA



Big J

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It was my understanding that MQA doesn't matter..., posted on June 2, 2016 at 07:02:47
Ivan303
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 to a player that plays FLAC as MQA only uses bits 16 through 24 of the standard FLAC 44.1/24 or 48/24 packet so any player capable of playing 44.1 FLAC will play an MQA encoded file.

But will it sound the same?

Link below says no.






First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

I don't know why MQA is regarded.., posted on June 3, 2016 at 11:54:12
fmak
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 by some as hires. I would class it as lowres being made to 'sound' better ?

In Audiostream, there are some 90 comments on the MQA review. Out of these, some 30 are from the reviewer who seems to be pushing it like no tomorrow. As he seems to be the only person supplied with a range of encoded music, the review is, to me, an unsubstantiated account of what was heard.

In time, more will be known and I hope that no one will rush in with orders for the new $20000 MQA enabled flagship dac.

 

RE: I don't know why MQA is regarded.., posted on June 3, 2016 at 14:02:45
ahendler
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 Is that the Merdian dac. You are wrong. It is $22000 LOL
Alan

 

RE: I don't know why MQA is regarded.., posted on June 3, 2016 at 19:04:02
Tony Lauck
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 "I don't know why MQA is regarded..by some as hires. I would class it as lowres being made to 'sound' better ?"

You are exactly right. Why people fall for this is fairly simple. Most people are foolish and are easily taken in by promoters. In this case, the chief promoter is a "fellow of the AES" which is nothing but a so-called "professional" society, a club out to scam the public.

Hires, High-end, etc. is about high money. Not much to do with good sound.




Tony Lauck

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$22000, posted on June 3, 2016 at 22:16:20
fmak
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 I rounded it down to reflect early discount?

 

To be fair, posted on June 4, 2016 at 02:16:22
fmak
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 The proprietors are Imperial College graduates of some standing. However, they have a history of format promotion and bashing.

I, and many others, had chosen not to apply to Imperial because there were very few women students at the time (and too much testosterone). Instead, I went to a London University College with many more female arts and science students, and benefitted from the socialinteractions.

 

Don;t forget VAT..., posted on June 4, 2016 at 10:30:08
Ivan303
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 You guys to pay VAT, yes?


First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: Don;t forget VAT..., posted on June 4, 2016 at 12:34:31
fmak
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 I wouldn't choose to spend that on a Meridian system, VAT or not

 

haha, posted on June 4, 2016 at 21:46:47
PaulN
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 That is so damn funny to this American. Haha, you bragging about your "social interactions." Priceless.

 

It certainly hasn't paid off for him here! , posted on June 4, 2016 at 22:06:39
AbeCollins
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I am getting older, Abe, posted on June 4, 2016 at 22:24:14
PaulN
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 and I try to be a better man now as I near 50, I really do. Although I am younger than many of the long-timers on this site, I'd like to to think that I am aging with a bit of grace. But all I can think most days when I visit here is that all that is left is a bunch of Aspergers wankers that have never lived a rich life. I suppose I have been extraordinarily lucky to have had a very full life of wine, women and song. Lordy.

 

RE: I am getting older, Abe, posted on June 4, 2016 at 23:05:56
fmak
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 less tolerant and therefore not better.

It is none of your business when I have a conversation with TL.

 

so PM him (nt), posted on June 4, 2016 at 23:25:12
PaulN
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RE: so PM him (nt) -Ah, posted on June 5, 2016 at 02:22:16
fmak
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 another troll who trolls a troll.

Where I am, a lawyer will know how to behave with some social grace.

 

Funny & appropriate!, posted on June 5, 2016 at 08:37:11
AbeCollins
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 Thanks for the laugh.



 

RE: Schiit don't think so either. And have explained it as they see it., posted on June 13, 2016 at 19:04:13
Bromo33333
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 I read them and PS Audio.

One of hte major complaints both have is that they don't want to pay the licensing fees, and rely upon the MQA engineers to come up with an adequate signal "Pre-distortion" to cancel out the pre-ring and post-ring in the transients.

The same crew pioneers Apodizing filters, and those were poo-poohed, until people could roll their own, and it went as mainstream as any other technique.

Call me cynical, but I think the protests against MQA speak more their economic realities, than whether the format is adequate or not. And not for nothing, if this closes the gap between someone who strings chips together vs someone who has a custom FPGA - there is less differentiation between, say, Bricasti and dCS and a a company following the manufacturer's application recommendation. THis is bad for them, but very good for a consumer.

It's interesting that both companies turning it down call it "compression" - in a strict pedantic way they are correct. But so was HDCD by that definition, but the information was used to enhance the PCM that was also encoded on the disc. It smells like some passive aggressive spin and misinformation.

Wile I am not "for" or "against" MQA at this point, I'll let my ears be the guide, it does show promise Sounds like it is meant for the mainstream audio companies, and streaming. But if that improves, so does our day to day listening.
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RE: Schiit don't think so either. And have explained it as they see it., posted on June 23, 2016 at 16:50:01
Tony Lauck
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 All the relevant technical contributions associated with MQA, if any, were done a long time ago. They are no longer economically relevant due to progress in computer and communications technology, which has rendered bits so cheap that their is no longer any marketable economic benefit to formats whose only benefit is saving a few bits. Audiophiles need a new format like a fish needs a bicycle, especially since if it's proprietary. Audiophiles should resist this format as if it is the plague. It is part of a long tradition of signal processing scams that are oriented to solving technical problems rather than sonic excellence. Earlier efforts along these lines are Dynagroove, Dolby A, B and C, and MP3 and its spawn. They are all mid-fi at best.




If the technology behind MQA had been implementable cheaply 15 years ago it might have been relevant. Today, bandwidth and processing are so cheap that their is no need to pray tribute to failed inventors and failed inventions that missed the mark over a decade ago, even if the inventor is an AES Fellow.


Tony Lauck

"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar

 

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