Spotify

RE: Spotify, posted on February 20, 2015 at 06:26:41
tcell Audiophile Posts: 585 Location: Maryland Joined: September 5, 2003	No. 320 kbps streaming for Premium.

RE: Spotify, posted on February 20, 2015 at 06:30:48
duck decoy Audiophile Posts: 233 Location: NC Joined: August 20, 2014	Thanks. I'm trying to figure out what DAC I need for Premium. Will a 24/192 DAC work with both their sample rates of 96 and 160?

sure, posted on February 20, 2015 at 06:34:24
bullethead	that would be great ;) that should work fine.

RE: sure, posted on February 20, 2015 at 07:55:10
duck decoy Audiophile Posts: 233 Location: NC Joined: August 20, 2014	Spotify is a Swedish company and uses sampling rates of 96 and 160. The 24/192 DACs I'm looking at appear not to have 160 as an available option. For example the Pro-ject USB Box handles sampling rates of 44.1, 48, 88.2, 96, 176, 192, 352.8 and 364. My question is will a 24/192 DAC handle 160 or is the highest rate available in the US really going to be 96? Thanks again.

MP3 Compression is not the same as PCM sample rates.., posted on February 20, 2015 at 08:24:56

PAR

You don't need a DAC with hi-rez sample rates to play MP3s. The Spotify rates for standard and Premium subscription relate to compression. They will play through any 16/44.1 DAC.

In fact a e.g 160KS/s etc. DAC* set at that rate won't recognise the output from Spotify which is sent to it from your computer or streamer and is received via a USB input or after SPdif conversion. As far as the DAC itself is concerned it is all "seen" as a 44.1 KS/s source for either standard or Premium rates.

* Should there be such an animal.

RE: MP3 Compression is not the same as PCM sample rates.., posted on February 20, 2015 at 10:25:23
ahendler Audiophile Posts: 5151 Location: San Antonio, Texas Joined: January 24, 2003	Also if you want CD resolution you might give tidal a try. 16/44 flac files at 14ll kbps. This is CD quality and any dac will work with it Alan

RE: MP3 Compression is not the same as PCM sample rates.., posted on February 20, 2015 at 10:34:44
PAR	This is good advice but should be for the OP rather than for me. I am just trying to sort out his misapprehension as to how MP3 streaming works insofar as his choice of DAC is concerned.

about spotify and DAC, posted on February 20, 2015 at 11:00:02

bullethead

24/192 DAC will play spotify no problem. Spotify bitrate has nothing to do with it, As long as the DAC can support 16 bit 44.1khz it will play back spotify, the 24/192 DAC will future proof your investment just in case there is high resolution.

mp3 or Ogg vorbis bitrate are the compression mechanism, 160 is the vorbis bitrate spotify uses, that is translated by the player (laptop, sonos, etc..) to 16bit 44.1khz, which a 24/192 DAC can handle with no problem, and if designed right it will make the 16 bit 44.1Khz translation after the spotify stream is uncompressed on the fly by the player sound better ;)

Spotify Premium is 320 kbps, posted on February 21, 2015 at 09:19:31

Ivan303
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From the Spotify Web Site:

What bitrate does Spotify use for streaming?

Spotify uses 3 quality ratings for streaming, all in the Ogg Vorbis format.

~96 kbps
Normal quality on mobile.
~160 kbps
Desktop and web player standard quality.
High quality on mobile.
~320 kbps (only available to Premium subscribers)
Desktop high quality.
Extreme quality on mobile.

Link below:

First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

What bitrate does Spotify use for streaming?

RE: "160 is the vorbis bitrate spotify uses" It's 320 kbps for Premium subscribers..., posted on February 21, 2015 at 09:23:25

Ivan303
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Posts: 48887
Location: Cadiere d'azur FRANCE - Santa Fe, NM
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What bitrate does Spotify use for streaming?

Spotify uses 3 quality ratings for streaming, all in the Ogg Vorbis format.

~96 kbps
Normal quality on mobile.
~160 kbps
Desktop and web player standard quality.
High quality on mobile.
~320 kbps (only available to Premium subscribers)
Desktop high quality.
Extreme quality on mobile.

Link below:

First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

What bitrate does Spotify use for streaming?

that's great but, posted on February 21, 2015 at 09:37:49
bullethead	I don't like compression, I use Deezer Elite and get streaming FLAC at CD Quality. I tried when it came out, MOG and Spotify, I was happy until something better came out, with Deezer Elite and Tidal there is no need to use lossy compressed music services anymore. IMHO.

I have Spotify Premium, QOBUZ Lossless FLAC and TIDAL Lossless FLAC..., posted on February 21, 2015 at 09:57:20
Ivan303 Audiophile Posts: 48887 Location: Cadiere d'azur FRANCE - Santa Fe, NM Joined: February 26, 2001	All for different purposes. Quite a few $$ per month and I'll likely drop TIDAL as their search function for Classical sucks. QOBUZ is great but will not stream to SONOS as it's not licensed in the US as yet. Even with all three it's still cheaper than Cable, which I don't have, so there's that. First they came for the dumb-asses And I did not speak out Because I was not a dumb-ass

RE: I have Spotify Premium, QOBUZ Lossless FLAC and TIDAL Lossless FLAC..., posted on February 21, 2015 at 11:13:56
operafan Audiophile Posts: 16 Location: Oklahoma Joined: January 2, 2005	I dropped Tidal after the free trial due to lack of gapless playback, which I consider essential for classical and opera. I emailed Tidal about this; their response was that they do have plans for gapless playback in the future, but did not give a timeline for when that would happen. Do you know if Deezer is available in the US?

I haven't checked our Deezer..., posted on February 21, 2015 at 14:18:43
Ivan303 Audiophile Posts: 48887 Location: Cadiere d'azur FRANCE - Santa Fe, NM Joined: February 26, 2001	for fear I'll sign up for it too! =:-0 First they came for the dumb-asses And I did not speak out Because I was not a dumb-ass

What search problems do you have?, posted on February 21, 2015 at 14:30:04

srl1
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Location: Florida Panhandle
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Are you using the web player or one of the apps (PC, iOS, Android)? I use the web player, and when I put in things like Klemperer and Berstein, and then choose the artist, I can get dozens of hits. Sometimes in the apps you need to go to the other albums tab. It's also possible that we look for things differently. I generally use soloist, group, or conductor. When all else fails, album title if there is one.

I have the OS-X app installed..., posted on February 21, 2015 at 15:43:31

Ivan303
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Posts: 48887
Location: Cadiere d'azur FRANCE - Santa Fe, NM
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When I search "Leonard Bernstein" on Tidal I get a mere 30 albums, that's it.

On Qobuz, same search and I get 1541 albums to choose from, albeit a few duplicates and few that are a different Bernstein altogether, but still...

Klemperer only 337 on QOBUZ, and over 120 on Spotify but just the same 30 on TIDAL.

First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

RE: I have the OS-X app installed..., posted on February 21, 2015 at 17:54:37
srl1 Audiophile Posts: 1339 Location: Florida Panhandle Joined: September 2, 2003	I'm sitting here with my Android tablet and the Tidal app and I get many more hits than that on those two searches. Try the web version and see what results you get. There mightcbe a problem with your app. Do you also check the Other Albums tab?

RE: Spotify, posted on February 21, 2015 at 17:59:38
fantja Audiophile Posts: 15524 Location: Alabama Joined: September 11, 2010	I want to say 320K is tops!

Never bothered with the web version as it is not Lossless FLAC..., posted on February 21, 2015 at 18:36:24
Ivan303 Audiophile Posts: 48887 Location: Cadiere d'azur FRANCE - Santa Fe, NM Joined: February 26, 2001	but I suppose for search, who cares, once it's found and listed in Favorites it's available to play at 16/44.1 with the OS-X app? I'll try that. First they came for the dumb-asses And I did not speak out Because I was not a dumb-ass

Tidal FAQ says Chrome version 39 is lossless on Mac, posted on February 21, 2015 at 19:31:28
srl1 Audiophile Posts: 1339 Location: Florida Panhandle Joined: September 2, 2003	I'm using 40 on my PC and it says HiFi when it plays.

Deezer Elite FLAC streaming is available in the US on Sonos, I use that exclusively, posted on February 21, 2015 at 19:40:06
bullethead	it is awesome.

I have no 'Chrome' on my MAC..., posted on February 22, 2015 at 07:30:22
Ivan303 Audiophile Posts: 48887 Location: Cadiere d'azur FRANCE - Santa Fe, NM Joined: February 26, 2001	LESS Google on my computer is my goal, not MORE. I run Firefox, as it's got about the best security/privacy features available from a browser point of view. A free browser from a multibillion dollar advertizing company? No thanks. First they came for the dumb-asses And I did not speak out Because I was not a dumb-ass

RE: I have no 'Chrome' on my MAC..., posted on February 22, 2015 at 10:45:51
srl1 Audiophile Posts: 1339 Location: Florida Panhandle Joined: September 2, 2003	I use Chrome only for Tidal since it supports lossless. With Tidal I've found the web player much better than the app (same is true for clsssicsonlinehd.com). The browser I avoid is ie. The less Microsoft the better:)

RE: Never bothered with the web version as it is not Lossless FLAC..., posted on February 22, 2015 at 16:04:54
ahendler Audiophile Posts: 5151 Location: San Antonio, Texas Joined: January 24, 2003	Web Browser is lossless flac, but you have to open it in Chrome Alan

Sorry, no Chrome on my MAC..., posted on February 22, 2015 at 18:30:25
Ivan303 Audiophile Posts: 48887 Location: Cadiere d'azur FRANCE - Santa Fe, NM Joined: February 26, 2001	Google sucks. First they came for the dumb-asses And I did not speak out Because I was not a dumb-ass

And keep in mind..., posted on March 2, 2015 at 08:37:20
rlw Audiophile Posts: 3347 Location: Near West Palm Bch, FL Joined: August 29, 2006	That Ogg Vorbis at 320k is substantially better than MP3 at the same rate... -RW-

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