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Posted on January 26, 2014 at 13:09:19
ChesshireCat
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 well I've decided that I need to get back in the SACD business. Before I had a Marantz 8260, and I'm not putting another nickel in that P.O.S.! Thought about the Oppo, but for about the same price I can buy a Sony 5400es. The Oppo will also play DVD-A's, and I own a few. Still I've had better luck with the SACD's.

I've kind of set a budget of $1200, and wanted to know what you folks had in mind.
gary
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RE: SACD player?, posted on January 26, 2014 at 13:15:24
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 I'm going to buy an Oppo BDP-105. The main reason is that I have over 2-TB of music on USB hard drives and I can plug a USB hard drive directly into the Oppo without the need for a computer in-between.

Good luck,
John Elison

 

RE: SACD player?, posted on January 26, 2014 at 16:08:51
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 The Oppo 103 is less than half your budget if you're using HDMI output for your audio, and the 105 offers no advantage over the 103 unless you want its better-quality analog.

 

RE: SACD player?, posted on January 26, 2014 at 16:51:27
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 I have been thinking about picking up an Oppo 83/83SE.

 

RE: SACD player?, posted on January 26, 2014 at 18:17:55
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 You have 2 excellent options in the Oppo 105 (or 105D) and the Marantz SA8004 (or 8005).

I have both - it is early days with the Oppo 105, but its stereo output and headphone jack are terrific. I think it would be hard to go wrong with the Oppo.

(Oppo 105 is running through a Prima Luna Prologue, the Marantz through a Wright Sound 2A3 set up. At some point, I'll swap them.)

 

RE: SACD player?, posted on January 26, 2014 at 20:56:23
bean
 For the money, I'm happy with my Marantz SA8004; that it doubles as a DAC really helped. The new SA8005 adds DSD DAC capability and is right at your $1200

lots of folks like the Oppo, but it just doesn't do anything for me (I heard a fantastic unit mod'ed with a tube output, but it ain't an Oppo anymore)

 

RE: SACD player?, posted on January 27, 2014 at 01:05:56
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 5400ES excellent choice for SACD/CD . Get it while still available in the US. via HDMI I found the 5400ES to be considerably superior to the Oppo 103

 

RE: SACD player?, posted on January 27, 2014 at 05:35:22
bullethead



I recently bought the Yamaha CD-S1000

A little bit more than your budget @ $1,300 but I absolutely love the sound.

 

RE: SACD player?, posted on January 27, 2014 at 08:54:04
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 If I were you, I would pay an extra $100 for the 105D model. You might not need the added Darbee video enhancement. But, if not now, then later you might want to use its USB/DoP input capabilities for direct DSD playback from a PC of downloads and such.

OTOH, there may me a fair number of used 105's coming to market as owners upgrade to the 105D.

 

RE: SACD player?, posted on January 27, 2014 at 09:46:04
Mel
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 John,

If you get a new one be sure to give it plenty of break-in before judging it, 200 hours or so at least. You can put in a zip drive and repeat some music forever and not tax any mechanical part. You'll love it.

Mel

 

RE: SACD player?, posted on January 27, 2014 at 10:24:38
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 there you go! That's exactly the setup I'm after. Being able to play music off a hard drive and yet being able to play my SACD's. I have two hard drives (one TB each) Yet one more question:

*assuming I go ahead and buy the Oppo as you said and hook up the two hard drives in it as well; then how does one go about controlling the hard drives to pull up music? Do I need a small note book or maybe an I-Pad dock?

For the rest of you, I thank you for your replies. I've been burnt twice by Marantz equipment, and the second time I blame myself! I have listened to the 5400es, and was stunned at the sound quality. Not quite a 777es, but damned close. (the 777ES is my standard for sound quality)

In the spring, I'll be moving my audio system. This will be a serious task even though I'll keep 65% of my equipment. I'll be using two turntables, unless I buy the brackets and another tone arm for my Final Tool table. Have a new phono stage picked out, and feel comfortable there. Still I'm uncomfortable with starting all over in the digital world. I'm an analog guy. Right now I mostly use my good old Jolida, but of course it doesn't do SACD's. I like the smooth sound without glare of the Jolida, but an SACD is a step up the ladder and I for one do like the DVD-A's that I own (maybe a dozen at the most). Plus the Oppo plays everything!
gary
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RE: the 777ES is my standard for sound quality, posted on January 27, 2014 at 10:29:32
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 Well, I'm glad SOMEBODY else quite likes the 777es - I rely on it to spin all the shiny discs in my collection. At least whenever the ambient temperature in the shop stays over 55 degrees - below that, the 777 starts to get fussy & I use a crummy Panasonic DVD player for CDs.

Would love to know how the Oppo 105 compares to the 777es for simple 2 channel SACD or redbook...

 

assuming I go ahead and buy the Oppo as you said..., posted on January 27, 2014 at 10:59:39
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 There are two types of USB ports on the 105"D":

(1) 2 USB ports on the back that you can hook up your USB flash/hard drive(s). No PC is required because the 105D will read the files and play them directly. You control the Oppo to play the files you want to listen to (on screen or through the Oppo iOS/Andriod app on a smart phone or tablet).

(2) Asynchronous USB digital input. Your PC/laptop is connected to this input on the Oppo with a USB cable. Music files stay on the PC/laptop side and the computer will read the files and send the PCM (and DSD over PCM for the new 105D) data stream to the Oppo. In this case, the Oppo 105D becomes a DAC. You control which file(s) to play on the PC/laptop with a software player on the computer (JRiver, Foobar, Audirvana, etc).

 

And it does..., posted on January 27, 2014 at 13:04:41
milpai
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 ...multi-channel. Right Disbeliever?
How did you forget to add that?
;-)

 

For what it's worth..., posted on January 27, 2014 at 14:24:05
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 I owned a tweaked 777ES with a clock upgrade and many upgrades to the audio output stage. I now own an Oppo BDP105, that is far from broken in, has only a few hours on it. The 777ES (which "broke" such that it could not be repaired, sadly) was superior to the Oppo, but I have hopes that the Oppo will come around a bit after break-in. I recently had the opportunity to audition a well broken in 5400ES, and, based only on listening to SACD, it comes "close" to my 777ES. I could live with it.

 

My Oppo sounds great playing Redbook through my vintage system. Depending on how much, posted on January 27, 2014 at 18:20:48
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 quality home theater is worth to you, I'd forget a stand alone player.

 

Yamaha CD-Sx players, posted on January 27, 2014 at 20:43:23
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 I will second that. I have the CD-S2000 and am very impressed with its performance with both Redbook and SACD discs. It is very well built and attractively styled. I think the only real difference between the 1000 and the 2000 is balanced outs on the 2000. If you shop around, you should be able to pick one of these two players up with a steep discount from MSRP.

 

RE: And it does..., posted on January 27, 2014 at 23:36:51
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 The Oppo which I do not like for( sound & video) compared to Sony SACD/CD & BD players also does mch right ?

 

Question: WHICH 777ES?, posted on January 28, 2014 at 05:52:12
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 The XA-777ES or the earlier one? I had the "XA,"thought it was okay on SACDs and not-okay on CDs and sold it long ago. I just bought an Oppo 105 (had the BDP-8SE model earlier) and plan to send it to Modwright in the next couple of days. Yeah, their mod costs twice as much as the Oppo, but I've heard the Oppo long enough -- maybe 75-100 hours -- to believe that it is worth the gamble.

 

RE: Yamaha CD-Sx players, posted on January 28, 2014 at 08:22:00
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 I have always wondered about these Yamaha players. They look so attractive and sturdy. But they were never auditioned by mainstream audio sites/mags. And I could not find any Vs comparison of these players against say, Marantz or Esoteric, etc. The CD-S3000 seems to have most functionality for a 2-channel stereo, but is way too expensive.

 

RE: Mine is an SCD-777es, posted on January 28, 2014 at 09:46:18
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 Don't know anything about the XA unit.

 

RE: Mine is an SCD-777es, posted on January 28, 2014 at 09:54:50
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 The Sony XA-777ES was their flagship 2nd generation player, had a MSRP of $3,000 and a street price of ~ $2,000, was extremely well-reviewed at the time.

 

Ditto, SCD777ES, posted on January 28, 2014 at 11:05:14
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 But on mine the main chip seemed to have died or gone intermittent, so I sold it cheap, with a perfectly good sled mechanism, laser, and a Superclock IV, plus many circuit upgrades as outlined here in previous years by fmak and others.

The Ayre C5XeMP is at least as good, probably better on RBCDs. A fully broken in XA5400ES is shockingly good on SACDs. My own Oppo BDP105 has only a few hours on it, so I would not make a definitive judgement.

 

RE: Mine is an SCD-777es, posted on January 28, 2014 at 11:09:23
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 The SCD1 and the SCD777ES were literally "built like a tank", had massive copper-ful chassis', and a great transport. Plus one had room inside to perform some extensive mods. Once you replaced the clock and re-arranged the grounding scheme, either one was special, as witness the fact that so many still swear by them. I wager there is no older product still "alive" in high end CDPs.

 

RE: Mine is an SCD-777es, posted on January 28, 2014 at 12:25:50
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 My objection to Sony's 1st and 2nd generation flagship SACD players was that they sounded, to me, so blah playing CDs. Given that there were so few SACDs available at the time -- and I had a ton of CDs -- I could never, for long, justify the price just to play SACD. When I got a Raysonic 128 tubed CD player after hearing it simply destroy my XA-777ES on Redbook, I figured the XA had to go while it still had some value.

The Oppo 105 is the first SACD/CD player I've owned that sounds as good on CDs as the Raysonic. Not better, but as good. Let me know if you'd like to hear it when it gets back from Modwright and has a few hours on it. It would be fun to compare it to your stock 105.

 

RE: Yamaha CD-Sx players, posted on January 28, 2014 at 19:28:35
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 I tried for a couple of years without success to find either a decent review of the Yamaha machine in the audio press or a dealer in my area with a demo unit to audition. Not a single shop within 250 miles had one in stock a year after the product was released. The CD-S2000 became a rarity immediately after it was launched into the market; and the inattention from the audio pundits has always puzzled me. Nevertheless, I needed a backup for my aging SCD777ES, which is 14 years old and is now unfixable if certain critical but unobtainable parts in the transport fail. So, without ever hearing or seeing one, I bought a dealer demo CD-S2000 advertised on Audiogon at a very deep discount a couple of years ago from a seller hundreds of miles away. Over the years I owned several of the great 70s era silver faced Yamaha tuners and amps and I know that Yamaha can build quality audio products when they put in the effort. And I was not disappointed with the new unit. I think the Yamaha CD-S2000 is a superb player and well worth the money at a street price of around $1800. It is a little bit leaner and brighter than my old Sony on SACD playback, but I think most of us who run 2 channel systems would be more than happy with its sonic qualities. And, as mentioned above, it is solidly built and presents an attractive functional retro design.

As things turned out, I recently replaced the still perfectly running Sony with a Marantz SA11-S3, which sounds much better in my setup than either the Sony or Yamaha player. So now I have two quality backup players boxed up in the basement in case the Marantz ever starts smoking. One or more of them will someday end up in the hands of my nephew after I pass into that great listening room in the sky. Perhaps the astronomically priced CD-S3000 will be setup there for my eternal listening pleasure.

 

RE: Yamaha CD-Sx players, posted on January 29, 2014 at 08:44:01
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 Thanks! for sharing Sleeper.

I,too, am interested in the newest Yamaha S-3000. Unbelieveable specs on that model, the best that I have seen in a long time.

 

I've heard your Raysonic,..., posted on January 29, 2014 at 10:33:37
Lew
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 as you know. And I agree that it is superior to my old SCD777ES on RBCDs, even after all the mods I implemented to the 777. Stuff happened recently that has me looking at a surfeit of choices for CDPs.

 

RE: Yamaha CD-Sx players, posted on January 29, 2014 at 12:42:39
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 Nice post sleeper!
Thank you for sharing. Can you please let me know the differences you hear between the Marantz and the Yamaha? Do the units sound "louder" when connected to the amp via XLR Vs RCA? I wish the Marantz could do DSD over USB. But this is one player that I am seriously eyeing. I hope Marantz releases a firmware that will make this player do DSD over USB.

 

RE: Yamaha CD-Sx players, too bad, posted on January 29, 2014 at 14:12:44
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 it's only available in black in the US (AFAIK). The tiny gray lettering on a black background doesn't work for my eyes. The demographic for $7k CD players is more than likely "older" with corresponding vision acuity.

Available in at least Australia, is the also the silver with light wood side; a much more handsome unit, IMO.

Marantz is also on my S.L., having gone to black only. A huge cosmetic blunder, again, IMO.

 

RE: SACD player?, posted on January 29, 2014 at 14:36:54
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 I saw the drive of the 2000 unit on a bench at the Melbourne Audio Show. Seriously engineered - if you were told it was Esoteric you wouldn't blink. Some blurb said it wasn't intended for the mass market - apparently they've done good job of keeping it secret.

 

apparently you have to learn to read Japanese, or use google translate (link), posted on January 29, 2014 at 17:07:23
bullethead
 I spent quite some time at Yamaha's home page translating Japanese into English. Below is a translated link with an interview with the people behind those players.

 

RE: I've heard your Raysonic,..., posted on January 29, 2014 at 17:17:05
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 I had both a Raysonic 168 and the Sony SCD777ES in my system at the same time. Both were connected with the same duplicate set of cables and I did extensive a/b comparisons. I found the Raysonic waaaaay too soft on top and so I experimented with tube rolling. I could never get it to sound as good as the Sony on Redbook cd's and subsequently sold the Raysonic. I still have the Sony player in my office system and I play it a couple of times a week.


"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the
most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."


 

RE: For what it's worth..., posted on January 29, 2014 at 17:20:54
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 It's sad that Sony stopped making parts for the SCD 1 and the scd777es. I have an Esoteric player now with the VRDS NEO transport and it is built like a tank, the same as Sony. I'm hopeful Esoteric will keep parts in stock for their ridiculously expensive machines.


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most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."


 

RE: Yamaha CD-Sx players, posted on January 29, 2014 at 17:46:01
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 The Marantz has better imaging and soundstaging in my rig. And it is a bit less bright, giving vocals for example a "rounder" and more life-like quality. Orchestral music seems to have more "weight" and sounds "bigger". It also projects a slightly "forward" sound stage, in comparison to the Sony and the Yamaha, which are "laid back". And there you have pushed me to the limits of my audio reviewer vocabulary. I simply perceive the Marantz as sounding better on SACD. But, the Yamaha still sounds great. You do not gain a whole lot by paying the premium for the Marantz SA11-S3 over the CD-S2000, but there is a real bump up in audio quality in my opinion in my setup in my less-than-perfect listening room. If you are going to pop another $1000 for the Marantz vs the Yamaha, make sure you take one home for an on-site audition in your own system before you write a big check. After all, it all boils down to just what you like - no player in the world can completely reproduce the sound field of the Atlanta Symphony in the Woodruff Arts Center Hall.

Yes, it will not do DSD via USB, but it will decode just about everything else. The absence of DSD-USB-processing does not bother me too much - I have yet to jump on the download bandwagon and still like to hold the product that I paid for in my hand, read the liner notes, and admire the photos and artwork. The Marantz DAC works really well with my wife's IPad as a source, which contributes to a high spouse acceptance factor. She can run her entire audio library right into the big rig directly from the IPad screen with a few finger swipes.

I have not compared the single ended to the balanced output (which I use in my setup) for either the Marantz or the Yamaha (the Sony 777 has only single ended outputs). I believe that in general from the same device a balanced output signal level will be approximately double that of the single ended output signal level. It should therefor produce a higher SPL from the speakers than a single ended output signal sent to a preamp which is set at a fixed volume. But, I think this also depends on the design of the preamp and how it processes balanced versus single ended inputs.

 

RE: Yamaha CD-Sx players, posted on January 29, 2014 at 17:59:47
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 It certainly looks like a great machine on paper - and it better be for $6000! My guess is that, like the 2000, it will be hard to find one at a shop to audition. If you get a chance to listen to it. post your impressions. As for me, I probably have enough SACD players to make it to the end game and beyond. If I were to bring home yet another player, especially at $6000, it would probably be heaved into the flames of the crematorium with my murdered remains.

 

RE: Yamaha CD-Sx players, posted on January 30, 2014 at 05:30:13
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 Agreed,

it would be of interest to me how Yamaha arrived at the suggested $6K price for the S-3000. The company should have set the price at $4K.
This is a better value for us consumers.

 

RE: I've heard your Raysonic,..., posted on January 30, 2014 at 06:21:19
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 As you noted, the Raysonics are very responsive to tube-rolling. And the 128's somewhat weird tube arrangement -- two tubes for the balanced outs and the other two for the RCA outs --mean that you don't need to replace four tubes when doing your rolling. I found that my very best sonic results came from using the balanced outs with Russian tubes whose cyrillic ID I can no longer translate , something like 6H23(pi symbol)-EB.

 

RE: I've heard your Raysonic,..., posted on January 30, 2014 at 07:55:29
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 Perhaps your assessment is more accurate than mine. I've only heard the Raysonic at Dave's house and the 777 in my house, never the two together in the same system. After writing that post, I actually have been thinking that I might have been unfair to the 777. But the Raysonic is very very good in Dave's system, nonetheless. Of course, the 777 plays SACD, and is superb doing that.

 

In my unit,.., posted on January 30, 2014 at 07:59:46
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 the main chip seemed to have gone intermittent. My very competent repair shop said that it is impossible to de-solder it from the board, even if one could find a replacement chip, and of course at this juncture there are no new boards available from Sony. (Back in the day, one would simply have ordered a new board with the massive chip installed a priori.) The sled and its motor were in fine shape, as were all the other parts that usually fail.

It would work once in a while, at the end of its life, and mostly it would not work at all.

 

RE: Yamaha CD-Sx players, posted on January 30, 2014 at 19:40:02
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 At a MSRP of $6000, Yamaha will have a difficult time selling the CD-S3000 against the $4000 Marantz SA11-S3. The specs and feature sets are almost identical There will have to be at least a 50% bump up in sound quality for the Yamaha's price to work.

 

RE: SACD player?, posted on January 31, 2014 at 01:22:10
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 I've been listeing to S 1800 Universal player for several years. Mid priced. ARG called it thebest they'd heard, my NAD M51 DAC not much better

 

Not hardly, posted on February 1, 2014 at 08:17:49
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 The stock scd-777es was flat and lifeless. Only after extensive modifications did it live up to the initial hype.

 

RE: Not hardly, posted on February 2, 2014 at 14:13:59
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 Thanks! for sharing all.

 

RE: Yamaha CD-Sx players, posted on February 3, 2014 at 14:05:56
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 Sleeper,
Thank You for the detailed explanation. I have been using a Marantz SA8260 for the past 9 years. Been pretty happy with it and so will not hesitate to choose a Marantz again. But I would not like to limit myself to that brand when other options are available. I have supported SACD over the years and believe that DSD can do the same justice to music. I am not into download myself. But once I hace a DAC/player with this capability, I for sure will dive into downloading DSD- especially for titles that are currently not available for purchase as SACD or those that are premium priced.
The Esoterics tempt me a lot, but are waaaaay out of my budget. Same with Yamaha S3000. I wish, they came out with a reasonably priced DAC that has HDMI and supports DSD. That way I could purchase this DAC and the Oppo BDP-105 and call it a day!

 

RE: Yamaha CD-Sx players, posted on October 16, 2014 at 16:21:54
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 I have my iTunes library of Apple Lossless Alac files in an external HD. Can any of these players decode the Alac files directly via USB? Primiarily I am interested in the Yamaha and Marantz. I know Oppo 105D can.

Thanks!



Figaro

 

RE: Yamaha CD-Sx players, posted on October 17, 2014 at 09:37:03
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 I have the three players Lew mentioned, the Ayre C-5xeMP, Oppo 105, and Sony XA5400ES, connected to a Parasound JC-2 preamp via XLR and Proceed HPA-2 amp driving KEF Reference 107/2 speakers. In my setup, I think the Ayre is the best sounding of the three, especially for CDs, but the Sony is close for DSD, not close for CDs. In comparison, the Oppo seems a bit bright and a little thin for CDs and SACDs, but its sound is superb for DTS-HD MA. Only the Ayre gives me the sense that a small jazz or chamber group, or a vocalist is in my room. But only the Oppo plays analog surround. If I had to live with a single player, it would be the Oppo, the Swiss Army disc player that does everything very well.

db

 

RE: Yamaha CD-Sx players, posted on October 17, 2014 at 22:37:35
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 I only use HDMI where the Sony XA5400ES sounds best especially compared to the Oppo 103, furthermore the Oppo is IMO very inferior to the Sony BDP 1000ES for BD sound & video ,universal players are a compromise .

 

RE: Yamaha CD-Sx players, posted on October 18, 2014 at 05:38:12
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 Excellent db.

 

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