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TV to Stereo Help

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Posted on October 22, 2016 at 15:24:50
mark.korda@myfairpoint.net
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 Hi, I am trying to get my TV audio through my vintage integrated amp. I have a flat screen 32 inch Samsung and a Samsung Blue Ray player and an integrated amp and 2 speakers.
The Blue Ray is attached to the TV with an HDMI patch cord. I then have the audio out from the Blue Ray to the amp with a left and right RCA cord. It sounds great through my speakers.
I want to get my TV's audio through my speakers, not just the Blue Ray. There are 2 audio output jacks on the Samsung TV. Nothing or no sound comes out of these as I tested them thru every high level input on my amp. This is with the HTMI cord still connected from the Blue Ray.
So I guess the question is; Is there something in the set up or remote that will allow my TV's audio to be played thru the same hook up that my Blue Ray is attached to?
Are my TV's audio out jacks bi-passed when the HTMI cord is attached to the TV from the Blue Ray? ........thanks for any help. In the past this was the easiest hook up I ever did,,,,sincerely Mark Korda

 

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RE: TV to Stereo Help, posted on October 22, 2016 at 15:29:21
Jack G
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 If the tv has audio out connections, you probably have to go into the set up menu and turn them on.
Jack

 

RE: TV to Stereo Help, posted on October 22, 2016 at 19:39:07
mark.korda@myfairpoint.net
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 Hi Jack, thanks for that info! I'm on it.....Mark K.

 

RE: TV to Stereo Help, posted on October 22, 2016 at 22:36:14
John Elison
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 I think Jack is probably right. There might be something in Samsung's "sound menu" that needs to be changed. I have a Samsung HDTV and I have my Blu-Ray player connect via HDMI, but I still am able to get audio to my stereo system from my Samsung HDTV and also from my Blu-Ray player. My HDTV is connected to Aux 4 on my preamp and my Blu-Ray player is connected to Aux 2. I get sound both ways.

Check your Samsung HDTV menu.

Good luck,
John Elison

 

RE: TV to Stereo Help, posted on October 23, 2016 at 05:39:03
MannyE
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 It's like everyone says, most likely in the setup or audio menu subsections.

 

RE: TV to Stereo Help, posted on October 23, 2016 at 05:42:06
BCR
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 Does your cable box have audio outputs? If it does then go from the cable box audio out into a spare set of inputs on the amp. That's the way I do it. Another way is to use the headphone jack on the TV using an adapter.

 

Blue ray player bypass, posted on October 23, 2016 at 07:39:08
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 Just to be sure there is no bypass. Unhook the Bluray player.

Also, are you remembering to switch the input selector on the amp? Sometimes the obvious gets over looked.

Goodluck!

Jonesy


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Yup, my bro n law had the exact issues, Samsung feeding an Int. Amp. We got it fixed, posted on October 23, 2016 at 07:41:13
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 and it was the setup menu.
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RE: TV to Stereo Help, posted on October 23, 2016 at 09:15:54
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 Also make sue audio out is set to PCM and volume is set to fixed.

 

RE: TV to Stereo Help, posted on October 23, 2016 at 15:52:38
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 I'd double check the RCA jacks. I suspect that they are inputs,
not outputs. Some Samsungs have an OPTICAL audio output...which
poses a problem with vintage amps, but you can get an optical
to RCA adapter box. If you have a cable/dish box, use the output
on that.

The TV setup menu should have a choice of internal or external
speakers. Choose external.

 

Optical out is what goes to my HT receiver...., posted on October 23, 2016 at 18:16:40
Rod M
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 And I have a Samsung.

I thought I was pretty smart and I took it back because I couldn't get audio out for anything. It never struck me to use the optical. I thought I tried everything.

I've got an old DAC that I'd sell the poster for $10 if he pays shipping.


-Rod

 

RE: Optical out is what goes to my HT receiver...., posted on October 23, 2016 at 19:34:45
Coner
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 Yes, Rod. Not sure of the other brand TV's, but at least the
Samsungs I've had, had minimal audio out options....not good
for us audio inmates, lol. But, I use the dish box outs anyway.
Plus I upgraded to newer HT receivers with optical ins, etc.

 

RE: Optical out is what goes to my HT receiver...., posted on October 23, 2016 at 22:53:58
mark.korda@myfairpoint.net
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 Hi, first of all I'd like to thank you all for your help. Coner, I tried every thing on my remote to switch to external speaker mode but I can't find the audio program.
I did not ever set up the TV from the beginning as it was given to me from an aunt who had passed. I tried turning off the power for a couple of minutes to see if I could re-program it but it worked as always.
What would be the procedure to re-program the TV as to get to the external speaker set up mode?.....thanks again guys for all your help.....Mark Korda....looking into the optical hook up tonight

 

RE: Optical out is what goes to my HT receiver...., posted on October 24, 2016 at 02:17:19
Markw*
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 All TV's are different. Similar in function but different in operation. Your owners manual should help here.

If you don't have the owners manual, you might get lucky and find one on line. Go to Google and type in your TV's make and model number, located somewhere on the back of the set. Sometimes, one gets lucky and you can download a .pdf file.

 

Are you absolutely sure, posted on October 24, 2016 at 07:34:49
E-Stat
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 that the output jacks are truly line level outs? Ones I have provide only coaxial digital outs which also use RCA jacks.

What model Samsung do you have? It would be helpful to view the back panel closely.

 

RE: Optical out is what goes to my HT receiver...., posted on October 24, 2016 at 10:59:26
Jeff Starr
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 If it has hdmi inputs it can't be all that old. I have a 26" Samsung CRT high def, that only has the DVI input. But it also has both analog out puts tbrough rca jacks and an optical output that you have a choice of outputting PCM or Bitstream.
The 7 year old 56" Samsung in the listeng room has the same analog outputs, but with it's optical output you only get Bitstream, no option for PCM.

For the OP, look for a column of jacks that say A/V out, should be a yellow coded jack, a red and I think one. Those are the audio outs.

As to the remote look for the menu button and then scroll through the options, I am not near the TV, or I would look. Scroll either down or to the right, if no separate Audio sub menu, then look in setup. If nothing epse you should find a way to turn off the internal speakers.

 

RE: Optical out is what goes to my HT receiver...., posted on October 24, 2016 at 21:15:35
mark.korda@myfairpoint.net
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 Hi, I finally found a site for the answer about the 32 inch Samsung I have. Without writing down the model number I found some questions frequently asked and my question was there asked by a ton of people.
The audio out jacks on the back are not hooked up even though they are there. This was how they sold them so cheap at Walmart and BestBuy ect. There were many disgruntled people on the site. My old Panasonic had the jacks on the back that worked great, the Samsung does not. The solution was to shop for a Sony or something else.
I always hooked up my TV to my stereo. It wasn't surround sound but it was good enough for me. With You Tube's giant selection of music videos and the Google ChromeCast I just got I have to have TV/Stereo sound. Every, what I think is a rare record I have owned can be found on YouTube. It has slowed my return to the vinyl world but it is also pretty great.
I really appreciate all the help given here by everybody and Jeff, I will try what you said about the A/V green/yellow out but after what I learned do not forsee a miracle....sincerely..Mark Korda

 

RE: Optical out is what goes to my HT receiver...., posted on October 24, 2016 at 21:32:16
mark.korda@myfairpoint.net
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 Hi, I did some more looking and the optical out with a Fiio D07 dig. to analg. converter is my way out without getting a new TV. I forgot which person told me that one but you know and thank you....Mark Korda

 

RE: Optical out is what goes to my HT receiver...., posted on October 28, 2016 at 16:09:40
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 My sister had an elcheapo TV that had no audio outputs. Also, newer cable boxes do not have variable audio outputs so hooking that up to the vintage Pioneer and Bose would not work. I got Ma hooked up by literally connecting the speaker wires from her Toshiba CRT direct view to a set of RCA plugs.

However this is not a good idea on newer sets because they usually use a class D audio output and have no filters. The speakers in the TV act as the filters because they are inductive.

We wanted the remote to work the volume control. It was simply not possible. Connecting to the speakers would have beat on the tweeters as well as the amp.

If you don't need the volume controlled by the remote then there should be an output somewhere, like the cable box. But from what I have see of TV and movies these days they are simply unwatchable without at least a mute button. (I can't even tell what half of these frikken commercials are for !) And the commercials may not be louder on a peak level meter but they are on an averaging or RMS meter. So not having volume and mute on the remote is not an option for many.

What's more, the speakers on these flat TVs are so shitty you can't even understand the words. Little 2 X 3 things that are like what they put in laptop PCs. I know there are a few laptops out there that have almost bearable sound but they are the exception, not the rule.

So if you have the optical output on the receiver and an optical input on the HT receiver/amp go for it. You just have to juggle two remotes.

You know they used to make learn remotes you could program off the originals, they would actually record the signal. However that technology is apparently too advanced for the designers now. Obviously because they make more money that way.

Everything I have except for my computers is over 20 years old and there is a very good reason for that. It is because I know technology, it has been my job for forty years and I have seen the changes and I KNOW what they're doing. And I resent it. I will not support them to the extent of one thin dime.

Every TV should have a full complement of inputs and outputs. Maybe not optical because I think HDMI has that beat, but to not even have a variable audio output ?

And I know why. For cheapness the manufacturer used an output chip with a built in volume control that is addressed digitally. Those class D jobs. I have tried. I have tried to reverse engineer this shit and found that the way they make it, it is not possible. The signal you want is simply not there. I have been all through the datasheets on the chips used and that is how it is. I have redesigned and modified countless things over the years and they are winning, they are making it impossible.

Lately, the only thing I buy new is food. Well beer too, but just sayin'. I don't want anything, I do not have nor want a smartphone. Or iPad or Pod. When I need a new disk for the Man cave in the garage I will burn it. I will not buy a car made after 1990.

All this shit is junk, and made to ONLY do what it does. Nothing can be repurposed or anything. And I mean they do this on purpose. They are not getting any of my money. If I need something I will go to Craigslist and get it used, and I am not afraid to meet people because I have a .38 that was made on 1911, among other firearms. But that thing is not traceable to anyone, let alone me. I can leave them in a pool of blood and slowly walk away.

Nothing new. You think you're getting more ? Well if you are you are paying for it. Twenty grand for a preamp and then two grand for a phono preamp. Then let's not even go into the power amp and speakers. You can get high quality but it will cost you a fortune.

but then if you think about it, in 1975 for example, you could get a nice, really nice system for about a grand. but cars weren't even ten grand yet, most of them anyway, some people still paid cash for a house. People still paid cash for new cars, and now they put the gasoline on a credit card.

And they think that an all in one system from Best Buy is as good as an old Marantz or whatever ?

Don't sweat that TV too much, when it breaks it is junk. there will be no parts available for it and very few people could even troubleshoot it to board level, let alone component level. And many of the components require a very costly "rework" station to replace and no business wants to buy them. Look up "BGA" when it comes to ICs and then look what it takes to replace one - if you can get it.

I like my old stuff.

 

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