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CT's Perspective

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Posted on August 25, 2015 at 21:11:28
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In the 90s, Sam Tellig made a career out of including his local audiophile characters in his column(s). I have been writing about music and audio since high school (the mid-to-late 80s), but I generally do not write about other audiophiles. I have always written about the people and events closer to home. Whether you have known me since high school, or only recently discovered me, you guys are constantly inquiring about the various girls. Especially with that wonderful thread below about Our First Stereos, you guys have been emailing me to write more about CT.

Via common friends, I met CT early in the Fall '86 semester, when I was a sophomore. Even though she was 2 months older (and 2 decades more mature!) than I, she was a freshman, a grade below me. She was your stereotypical nice, benign, multi-lingual, harmless, 4.0+ GPA girl.

You have to understand that my generation grew up with, and was hooked on, music. Even if our competing musical tastes meant we fought with each other, music was still a common bond.

Because CT had a disarming personality, I was able talk to her. Moreover, when she talked, I listened. I needed as much of her goodness, vision, intelligence, study habits, cleanliness, and class as I could get, absorb, and steal.

She said she liked me because I wasn't the stereotypical jock, yet, I competed in sports. And she thought my obsession with audio was "cute."

I assumed that CT would only like wussy music, but that was not case. She shared the same musical likes as any other of our schoolmates.

CT found it interesting that a few guys and I liked audio (mass market; none of us had been introduced to high-end audio). She just smiled, and joined the chorus, in labeling me and the guys as "A/V Geeks." She would giggle at us guys bickering about specs, cables, speakers, buttons, THD, Dolby C, et. al.

CT had strict parents. She had a difficult time, going out, talking on the phone (even her female friends said they could not talk long to CT on the phone), listening to music out loud. Remember, in the 80s, we did not have the internet, Facetime, Skype, texting, Facebook, blogs, e-mail, or even pagers. So for her, her Walkman (which used headphones) was a salvation, an oasis. Via Walkman, she could listen to music, and not upset her parents.

As was prevalent back then, we lent and borrowed cassettes. That exchange was how we expanded our musical palettes.

Perhaps those of you who were in San Francisco during the 80s can help me here. One weekend, several of us sophomores and freshmen ventured out to what I think was Phillip Burton, in order to take the SAT. After that, we made our way (sans maps!) to Whole Earth Access, located off of Bayshore Boulevard. I recall the guys talking about brands such as a/d/s, Advent, Carver, Grundig, NAD, and Proton. In particular, my classmate Danny had this crush on what I think was the Proton 320 clock radio. And when CT said she liked the Proton clock radio better in white, everyone else's head pivoted to her.

In early April 1987, I got my very first CD player, the Sony CDP-520ESII. In fact, I was one of the first from my high school, to get one. Everyone else would follow suit the following school year.

My friends would come over, to check out this new-fangled gadget. I only had about 10 CDs, so we still listened a good deal to cassette and vinyl. I thought it was interesting, that the guys, prone to pissing contests, tried to argue about which format was "best." In contrast, the girls' assessments were more pragmatic and honest.

In her rational, matter-of-fact way, CT pointed out CD's pluses and minuses. She framed CD as "not necessarily superior," but spoke truthfully about our vinyl sounding like "a rake dragging across the sidewalk." Hot damn, the rest of us realized that CT was right: CD was so-so, while our cassettes and vinyl sucked.

During the Spring '87 semester, CT and I had the same free periods for lunch. That went a long way, in making us girlfriend/boyfriend. Even though she did not appear rushed, she still finished her lunch faster than I ate mine. It was really these lunch periods, where she and I found common musical ground. I understand that many of you audiophiles, not coming from my generation, do not know these songs. But that is why we share. So look them up. CT and I especially liked the following from that semester:

Benjamin Orr, "Stay The Night"
Company B, "Fascinated"
Danny Wilson, "Mary's Prayer"
Eddie Money, "I Wanna Go Back"
Level 42, "Lessons In Love"
Peter Gabriel, "Red Rain"
Poison, "Cry Tough"
Stryper, "Free"
Suzanne Vega, "Luka"
Talking Heads, "Wild Wild Life"

After the school year ended, a bunch of us went to 1000 Van Ness, and saw the movie, The Untouchables. When we got out, the fog had burned off, and the sun blasted us. While milling around on Van Ness, we heard and loved that lost gem, "Diamonds," by Herb Alpert and Janet Jackson. With that, we dispersed. A couple days later, I left for Honolulu, where I spent every summer. Since this was a time of long distance phone calling and snail mail, CT and I would exchange a few letters over the summer. IIRC, mail took five days, to go between S.F. and Honolulu.

That summer, CT did not have her own CD player. She nevertheless borrowed some of my CDs, including Stryper's To Hell With The Devil. Yes, this is the very CD CT borrowed from me that summer. She had to find other people with a CD player that summer, and then had them record To Hell With The Devil onto cassette.

Whenever I tell this story, the Stereotypical Audiophiles laugh. But it was this music, which held sway over us (my generation). Without that awesome 80s music, none of us would have gotten into high-end audio. And in case you are wondering, CT still has her Mark Levinson system, which she acquired and put together in the late-90s and early-00s. Harumph! And she still giggles at my obsession about audio.

I hope this answers your emails, regarding CT. As always, you can continue emailing me about anything and everything. Some of you already know what happened, when we returned for the Fall '87 semester.

-Lummy The Loch Monster

 

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I truly enjoy reading your posts!, posted on August 25, 2015 at 23:12:04
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They are well-written, thoughtful, and just plain fun. It appears that I'm about 15+ years older than you, based upon your musical influences. And, please don't take this the wrong way, but it's a wee bit sad that your generation really missed the boat when it comes to rock music. I saw many of the seminal bands - The Who, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Uriah Heap, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Santana, Jethro Tull, Yes, ELP, and on and on - on their 1st or 2nd US tours. Again, IMHO, the 80s bands pale in comparison - it's not even close. And their pouty, lipstick-encrusted lips and blow-dried hair just looks ridiculous to me. To each his own, I suppose.

I was fortunate enough to come of age musically in the late 60s and early 70s. And I also had pretty good sound systems to support my record collection. Additionally, in the late 70s I got a couple gigs with several of the hi-end audio salons in the DC area. This allowed me to spend untold hours listening to great music on great systems. I never did make a lot of money at it, but to this day those are still my favorite jobs - I actually wanted to go to work every day, imagine that!

Keep up the good work, mate!

-RW-
-RW-

 

What exactly is wussy music?, posted on August 26, 2015 at 00:19:22
oldmkvi
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Or is it simply music you don't like?

 

RE: What exactly is wussy music?, posted on August 26, 2015 at 04:06:00
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If you follow his posts, you will know he has delusions of grandeur. As he has stated previously, you are one of the unwashed masses who knows little about music or audio.

Oz


Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill

 

RE: I truly enjoy reading your posts!, posted on August 26, 2015 at 07:41:49
acres verde
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I agree with and represent everything in your post except the part about enjoying his (self absorbed) posts. However, I'm pretty sure we all realize that every generation thinks that the music of it's time is "the best" and that everyone else's pales in comparison.

 

Hard to say for sure., posted on August 26, 2015 at 08:08:20
*Wussy Music* - it's almost more of a feeling than a sound, so it's hard to pin down. And please don't tell me that real men aren't supposed to have feelings.

 

Sure. Your post makes no sense. Just a feeling. nt, posted on August 26, 2015 at 09:04:39
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It's the excruciating detail of High School that gets me,, posted on August 26, 2015 at 09:06:23
oldmkvi
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I wonder how old he is.

 

RE: Sure. Your post makes no sense. Just a feeling. , posted on August 26, 2015 at 10:14:44
Mission accomplished.

 

RE: Sure. Your post makes no sense. Just a feeling. , posted on August 26, 2015 at 10:20:35
oldmkvi
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Sorry, I shouldn't have posted that.
Internet Remorse has set in...

 

RE: Sure. , posted on August 26, 2015 at 10:28:18
This is a Luminator thread, we're WAY past remorse here.

 

LOL! nt, posted on August 26, 2015 at 10:37:21
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RE: It's the excruciating detail of High School that gets me,, posted on August 26, 2015 at 10:48:45
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Judging from the time line, 42-46 yrs. old.

Oz



Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
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My high school years were already dim memories by then!, posted on August 26, 2015 at 12:04:26
oldmkvi
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Before, really...

 

Wow, hard to believe some inmates e-mailed him asking for that story. nt, posted on August 26, 2015 at 15:41:03
nt

 

RE: CT's Perspective, posted on August 26, 2015 at 15:57:07
are you writing a book?

 

All Audiophiles Are Writing Books, posted on August 26, 2015 at 18:09:02
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Young or old, neophyte or veteran, audiophiles have many chapters to write, much life to live, and volumes of music to share and enjoy. Can't wait to read everyone's stories, come along for the ride!

 

I can't believe you actually read it! (nt), posted on August 26, 2015 at 18:36:53
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Missed The Boat, posted on August 26, 2015 at 20:37:33
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During the Spring '93 quarter, my very last class at UCSC was American Popular Music. I took it, only because I needed the elective to graduate. And it turned out, by far, to be the most memorable, useful, educational, and enlightening class. Four years of college, and it was American Popular Music, which had the greatest impact on me.

The professor was probably 50 years old, and had this way with quips. In addition to this class, he taught classical piano. He scanned the audience, looked a few students in the eye, and said, "Some of you are my piano pupils. That automatically disqualifies you for this class. You can take your NP [No Pass], leave, and when I see you in piano, you better have done an extra hour of scales."

He told us that he was an audiophile [during lecture, he did prefer to play vinyl over other formats] and was always making fun of "Classical Snobs." Then he'd stop, and go, "Oh wait. I am one!"

The professor continued, "Classical music, as we all know, has been around forever." He paused. "Hmmm," he mused, "Jesus never heard Beethoven's Ninth. He didn't even know what a violin was." The class erupted in applause.

When it came time to cover rock of the late-60s and early-70s, the students (UCSC* was full of wannabe hippies) collectively relaxed, let out an "Ahhhhh," and enjoyed the music. The professor described how Led Zep took from blues, folk, R&B, Moroccan, Asian, and other influences. Then he quipped, "Okay, while you are gettin' stoned, know that many of you were conceived, when your parents listened to this." He peered at the audience. Then he said, "When this came out, some of you younger kids weren't even a dirty thought in your parents' mind."

He stared at the back of the auditorium, and joked, "I know you guys. I hear your Doors, Grateful Dead, and Led Zep blaring from the dorms. If you guys aren't careful, while listening to this music, a new generation of Dead Heads will be conceived."

After the audience gathered itself, the professor sagely said that we students were lucky. We may have missed the boat on 70s "classic rock," but we were in position to enjoy not just the then-current music, but that from eras past.

I know, I know, a large part of us thinks of 70s rock as "our own [as a child in the late-70s, I was raised on San Francisco's KMEL, which, at the time, was actually a rock station]." But I do not think it is a bad thing that newer generations know quite a bit about 70s rock. My own kids are in elementary school. They and their classmates know, sing, and enjoy songs from the likes of Aerosmith, Barry White, Boston, Cheap Trick [it is kind of weird, as a parent, to hear little kids sing "Surrender"], CSNY, David Bowie, the Doobie Brothers, the Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Kiss, Parliament, Steely Dan, The Who, Traffic, and War.

I don't know about other audiophiles, but I grew up, sharing music. Obviously, each person had his or her personal preference. But by sharing music, we got to expand the musical palette, meet more people, make more friends, fall in and out of love, dance, kick ass in sports, and just weave another thread in the fabric of life. The audio is always secondary to the music itself.

I'm not going to stomp on anyone's enjoyment of her music. I thoroughly enjoy reading other audiophiles talk about where they were, when they first heard a certain piece of music; what they were doing; what the times were like; how the music moved or did not move them. I would hope that the audiophiles can set aside their jealousy and petty hatred, and share more of their experiences and music.

* In case you have forgotten or did not know, UCSC's McHenry Library houses a Grateful Dead archive.

 

Ive been ripped off!, posted on August 26, 2015 at 20:53:28
"It appears I'm about 15+ years older than you, based on you musical influences."

I'm in the generation BETWEEN yours and the OP. Your insight on the music scene(rock)
Is pretty much how I've felt. My generation didn't really produce a Clapton,Hendrix etc. By the mid 70's other stuff was developing. While musicianship was still there, visual "show antics"seemed to become important -Alice Cooper?Kiss(okay, they were part of my JHS years,drop kicked them by HS)
By late 70s rock REALLY branches off-punk,new wave etc. By the time I finished high school, I thought most bands that DIDNT come out of the 60s /70's were either ridiculous,or a lame ripoff.
Perhaps catching Aerosmith during their Rocks tour or Van Halen on their first arena tour or maybe AC/DC being the unknown opening band for Aerosmith is about as close to compare to what you've experienced. While I like the post 70's movements, it gets very dicey by the 80's.
I'm jealous hearing my older brothers experiences similar to yours.
Oh well, at least I can still buy just about any period record in great shape for cheap!

 

I think you'll find, posted on August 27, 2015 at 06:25:14
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But it was this music, which held sway over us (my generation). Without that awesome 80s music, none of us would have gotten into high-end audio.

It is always the music that binds us together rather than the era itself. For me, it was the prog rock bands ELP, Yes, Renaissance, etc. from the 70s who helped me focus on the music with their extended length pieces as opposed to three minute *hits*.

Their use of classical themes helped add that genre to my tastes which was what the mentors who introduced me to high end listened to almost exclusively.

 

RE: CT's Perspective, posted on August 27, 2015 at 11:01:01
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Here is to the wonderful year of 1987!

 

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