What if, you went to an audio show and met music people

RE: What if, you went to an audio show and met music people, posted on May 26, 2015 at 12:37:32
samtellig	Just look at Stereophile and TAS and you can plainly see what went wrong.

RE: What if, you went to an audio show and met music people, posted on May 26, 2015 at 14:17:08
hawkmoon Audiophile Posts: 903 Location: cleveland Joined: July 11, 2003	Please explain?

RE: What if, you went to an audio show and met music people, posted on May 26, 2015 at 14:19:34
Peter Breuninger Reviewer Posts: 601 Joined: August 28, 2002	Terry and I were talking about this, this morning. Where are the artists at these shows? Surely the SoCal show is within 30 miles of some of the most famous performers in the world. Where is Neil Young? He should have a Pono booth at the Cali shows. He lives in Half Moon Bay 20 minutes from the Northern Cali Show. This is our biggest misconnect.

RE: What if, you went to an audio show and met music people, posted on May 26, 2015 at 14:44:05
A.Wayne Audiophile Posts: 2527 Location: Front row center Joined: November 30, 2011	This is our biggest misconnect - Peter Breuninger Hello Peter , Bigger than the price misconnect , youngsters are not going to be buying an hi-fi system over a car , or a euro vacation , only nut jobs from another time can justify the time travel. :) Plenty entry level desk top stuff with subwoofers for under 1K to rock their world , the hi end is running on rigor-mortis and excess ...

I wouldn't go to that audio show again....., posted on May 26, 2015 at 15:12:33
AbeCollins Audiophile Posts: 46280 Location: USA Joined: June 22, 2001 Contributor Since: February 2, 2002	If I wanted to see 'music people' (artists I presume) I would go to a concert or a club, not to a show for geezers like me who are interested in audio equipment. And if I want to see audio equipment, I wouldn't go to a concert or club. Simple, really. ;-)

RE: I wouldn't go to that audio show again....., posted on May 26, 2015 at 16:02:22
rick_m Audiophile Posts: 6230 Location: Oregon Joined: August 11, 2005	Right on! I want to listen to performance and talk Tech. Haven't been to a show for many longs, need to correct that. It's really fun to listen to systems and talk to the manufacturers. And other nut-case hobbyists of course... As for live performances, if they're amplified, they suck. If I have to wear earplugs they suck^2. Long live home audio! Rick

RE: What if, you went to an audio show and met music people, posted on May 26, 2015 at 16:23:16
6bq5 Audiophile Posts: 4384 Location: SF Bay Joined: August 16, 2001	20 years ago - or so- when I went to CES in Las Vegas - I always attended the Mondial performances - there were quite a few musicians within our own ranks that performed - I have since moved out of the industry and I know that at least one of the musicians no longer attends CES - and I believe that another has passed... Happy Listening

I Can't Tell the Difference....., posted on May 26, 2015 at 17:14:47
Todd Krieger Audiophile Posts: 37333 Location: SW United States Joined: November 2, 2000	I guess I don't pay much attention to such technicality.... ;-]

Would certainly make the audio shows more exciting and worth attending (nt), posted on May 26, 2015 at 17:27:45
4everyoung	nt

Someone else's explanation..., posted on May 26, 2015 at 17:43:41
RC Daniel Audiophile Posts: 1922 Location: Brisbane Joined: November 3, 2002	... won't help. You need to experience and realise it for yourself, or not. I stopped reading those magazines well over a decade ago - they simply held no interest for me any more... but I still enjoy music and some aspects of equipment (but perhaps not in the typical way). Cheers. "In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's mind there are few." Shunryo Suzuki

+1. Nt, posted on May 26, 2015 at 17:52:41
geoffkait	Nt

What would be truly bliss is if there were …. , posted on May 26, 2015 at 18:30:57
three_sox	...No people there at all. Just all the gear set-up ready for me to leisurely listen to & explore without interruption from the great unwashed! d:o)

RE: What if, you went to an audio show and met music people, posted on May 26, 2015 at 18:33:03
fantja Audiophile Posts: 15518 Location: Alabama Joined: September 11, 2010	a big misconnect, indeed.

Some actually..., posted on May 26, 2015 at 18:53:15
mkuller Audiophile Posts: 38130 Location: SF Bay Area Joined: April 22, 2003	...are both. When I used to attend CES' in the 1990s, as well as Stereophile shows more recently, the best part of the shows was the new music I heard demoing equipment. I first met John Marks when he handed me one of his new CDs there. That list of music was what I took home to look for.

Don't let them fool you. They're all music people too., posted on May 26, 2015 at 19:29:51
soulfood Audiophile Posts: 3725 Joined: August 9, 2001	If you study them closely, there is this seamless multi-tasking thing going on. First, you must get pass preconceived notions of this great divide. Weird I know, right?.

Nah, mate, you ..., posted on May 26, 2015 at 19:31:14
andyr Manufacturer Posts: 12548 Location: Melbourne Joined: September 2, 2000	need people in the room to make it sound any good at all. :-)) Andy

I remember an early Bottlehead show...., posted on May 26, 2015 at 19:39:29
Rod M Web Geek Posts: 16242 Location: So. California Joined: March 1, 1999 Contributor Since: March 1, 1999	where Ralph of Atmasphere was wearing his flute like a bow on his back. I could tell you that he played it like Ian Anderson on one leg, but I'd be lying about the one leg. -Rod

RE: What if, you went to an audio show and met music people, posted on May 26, 2015 at 20:34:46

hahax@verizon.net
Audiophile

Posts: 4306
Location: New Jersey
Joined: March 22, 2006

when JGH started Stereophile in the 60s he wanted to cover all aspects of audio and music. But even then what sold, he told me, was the equipment reviews. That's what the readers wanted. And so Stereophile(and later other mags) morphed into what we have today.

A good example is the issue that led to Audio Amateur being started. One issue of Stereophile(late as usual) was almost completely devoted to building a super Dynaco amp. All Gordon got was where were the reviews. That convinced Ed Dell that do it your self would need its own magazine and thus Audio Amateur.

RE: What if, you went to an audio show and met music people, posted on May 26, 2015 at 22:34:09

Old Listener
Audiophile

Posts: 2090
Location: SF Bay area
Joined: February 6, 2005

"when JGH started Stereophile in the 60s he wanted to cover all aspects of audio and music. But even then what sold, he told me, was the equipment reviews. That's what the readers wanted. And so Stereophile(and later other mags) morphed into what we have today."

Music reviews in Stereo Review and High Fidelity helped me find lots of fine performances in good to great sound during the late 60s and the 70s. I still listen to almost all those recordings I bought back then. The equipment reviews in those magazines don't matter to me now but the music reviews still do.

my blog: http://carsmusicandnature.blogspot.com/

Nice answer :-). n/t, posted on May 27, 2015 at 02:43:08
jeromelang Audiophile Posts: 2303 Joined: February 2, 2001	.

You do -, posted on May 27, 2015 at 03:36:08
stellavox Audiophile Posts: 413 Joined: June 23, 2004	in the Audio Note room - Charles

RE: What if, you went to an audio show and met music people, posted on May 27, 2015 at 05:10:48
fantja Audiophile Posts: 15518 Location: Alabama Joined: September 11, 2010	Another thought; there are a few key people that I would not mind seeing at an audio show, like Henry Rollins or Rick Rubin. I venture to say that most "music" celebrities do not have enough knowledge nor inclination.

RE: What if, you went to an audio show and met music people, posted on May 27, 2015 at 06:32:30
Frihed89 Audiophile Posts: 15703 Location: Copenhagen Joined: March 21, 2005	Music people? In the last two shows I went to, I only found a single room, each time, that was really to my liking; so i went back and did nothing but listen to, and talk about, music. Both times, the rooms were virtually deserted - low power SET. A lot of great music and both mfrs. knew much more than i did about each orchestra and/or soloist than i did.

I always considered myself a "music person" but..., posted on May 27, 2015 at 10:02:47
briggs Audiophile Posts: 1674 Location: Connecticut Joined: April 16, 2002	...my music teacher advised me that I was better suited for playing a record player.

RE: What if, you went to an audio show and met music people, posted on May 27, 2015 at 12:42:04

Old SteveA
Audiophile

Posts: 648
Joined: March 27, 2011

I can't imagine why people would want to talk about 'Audio' at a .....
'Audio Show' !

You sound like a "My glass is half empty" rather than "half full" kind
of person. Do you make the effort to bring up 'Music' with others or do
you just make the assumption they have no interest in talking about it ?

When it comes to talking with people you're not familiar with it really
is okay to try steer a conversation to include something else ! It's called "being social"

RE: What if, you went to an audio show and met music people, posted on May 27, 2015 at 18:20:48
fantja Audiophile Posts: 15518 Location: Alabama Joined: September 11, 2010	Don Was, would be cool as well.

Well, it might be pretty cool..., posted on May 27, 2015 at 19:08:46
c1ferrari Audiophile Posts: 640 Location: Southern California Joined: March 16, 2001	There are a few folks in the pro music biz -- perhaps, not 'artists', per se -- who are definitely into gear...to wit -- GearSlutz :-) Vbr, Sam

Seemed a fair question., posted on May 27, 2015 at 19:19:15
13th Duke of Wymbourne Audiophile Posts: 2793 Location: Orange Co., Ca Joined: September 19, 2001	Of course, I'm not really sure of the OP's point, but it seemed more likely that Sam was venting rather than contributing - hence ask for an explanation. 13DoW

RE: Seemed a fair question., posted on May 29, 2015 at 21:04:39

RC Daniel
Audiophile

Posts: 1922
Location: Brisbane
Joined: November 3, 2002

Sure it was... but the answer won't be an answer, in a practical sense. Some realisations one has to come to themselves.

Cheers.

"In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, in the expert's mind there are few." Shunryo Suzuki

Interesting, posted on May 29, 2015 at 21:58:37

jedrider
Audiophile

Posts: 15166
Location: No. California
Joined: December 26, 2003

I only once read a music review because I was familiar with the recording (a rare occurence as I don't buy much that is new). I was captivated by the artist and that is all one needs to know. The review was NEGATIVE.

Who in the world needs to read a negative review of an artist? Either they like it or get it or whatever. It seems to me that a lot of attention is paid to producing some albums and types of music (by the musicians, the recording people, the promoters, etc) and there will always be an audience for that, music reviewers nonwithstanding.

Fair enough..., posted on May 30, 2015 at 21:18:42
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	but what do you consider the chance to hear the equipment by the sponsor: their being nice or their being fair? roger wang

RE: Well, it might be pretty cool..., posted on June 7, 2015 at 17:00:47

Bill Bond
Audiophile

Posts: 45
Location: Los Angeles
Joined: June 7, 2015

I am a pro studio musician. I have been employed in that capacity for most of my adult life...and I'm in my early sixties. I play guitar, bass and occasionally drums. In the studio, I am constantly aware of the sound that I am trying to portray....this is a major part of my job.

As an audio hobbyist, I like to listen to systems that are able to portray what I typically hear in the studio. Very few even come close...which isn't too surprising as I rarely play anything completely acoustically. However, I do hear most other musicians that I play with complain that whenever they hear a home system, what is almost always missing is the scale and the natural decay of the instrument that is being reproduced.
At audio shows, whenever I have been asked about my opinion of this speaker or that amp or whatever, and whenever I disclose my profession, I am always looked upon as an outsider and with less experience than the exhibitor. Doesn't bother me at all, but I do have to question why that attitude is consistent??
So, I hope this answers the OP's question as to maybe why more of us do not attend these events.

RE: Well, it might be pretty cool..., posted on June 7, 2015 at 17:17:02

c1ferrari
Audiophile

Posts: 640
Location: Southern California
Joined: March 16, 2001

Hi Bill,

Relevant to your associates which lament 'home systems' miss scale and natural decay of an instrument...are they acknowledging this is present in the recording?

My perspective of listening to audio via a 'home system' is that of one in the audience. Do you and/or your musicos consider this context? I'm curious whether this may explain the deficit of natural decay or scale...onstage vs. in the audience.

Vbr,
Sam

RE: Well, it might be pretty cool..., posted on June 7, 2015 at 23:46:07

Bill Bond
Audiophile

Posts: 45
Location: Los Angeles
Joined: June 7, 2015

Well that is a very good question,Sam. I am usually playing along with the other musicians in a booth. So, while I do hear myself, I sometimes do not hear them...this is the nature of studio work. However, I have played on stage enough to know that the sound that envelops us is many times close to the sound that the audience hears ( hopefully)...remember that we utilize stage monitors facing us for this very purpose. I do think that the recording process is a major part of the problem. So many recordings really are just a mere shadow of the sound that we actually produce. Another big limiter, in my opinion, is the fact that the overall dynamic envelope of 'live' vs. reproduced in the home is so very different. The immense 'punch' if you will of the real dynamic, particularly the bass drum and in an orchestra-- the kettle drum, is so enormous that I have never heard any system that could really do this justice....if for no other reason than the room it is being played back in is usually not able to support the immense scale and punch of the real instrument.
All of these perspectives are coming from a pro side of the game, I know that many audiophiles do not believe this and cannot accept that the 'live' experience is miles away from the reproduced. I even had one guy tell me recently that he liked his system better than the real thing.
I invited him on stage the next time I was performing, he took me up on the invite and was so agast at the sound difference, that he said I ruined his listening pleasure at home for ever! That wasn't really the point, but luckily I think he got over his disappointment, although it took a little time.

General Asylum

What if, you went to an audio show and met music people

148.87.19.194