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New camera photo of system?

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Posted on December 18, 2014 at 03:09:08
bullethead



After taking advice of some inmates here, got an iPad mini with retina camera. I still think the photos look like crap. My father told me something about cameramans eye has a lot to do with the pictures you take. I am legally blind without glasses so go figure.

Only upside is maybe this tablet computers non replaceable batteries could last 4 years. Not a fan of Apple products after this.

 

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RE: New camera photo of system?, posted on December 18, 2014 at 04:41:15
Bill the K
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 My grandson downloaded a speed car chase video on my iPad. The guy is only three and a half but knows how to download free stuff. He dropped the ipad in the excitement of playing the new game and a few cracks are formed in the front. Luckily no problems with the pad except for a non working front camera. There is nothing that can be done to repair, says the dealer, but can replace the iPad paying a substantial sum. Now on facetime I dont appear unless I turn the pad around. I dont know if we would buy an amp if it cannot be repaired and the tubes would last only 4 years.

Cheers
Bill

 

RE: New camera photo of system?, posted on December 18, 2014 at 05:12:51
Peter Breuninger
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 I would look into the exposure settings. I had low light problems when I first bought my Note 3. It was a menu setting fix, now the phone is great in low light.

 

RE: New camera photo of system?, posted on December 18, 2014 at 05:28:32
fantja
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 Not a bad pic. Look into adjusting your settings for low-light.

 

Do you realize how small the sensor is on an iPad?, posted on December 18, 2014 at 05:51:27
John PA
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 I have one and have fun with it but for photography I use full frame 35mm. I don't even like 1.6 cropped cameras and their sensor is huge compared to an iPad. Having said that, you need much more light on the subject, you would have less noise (what we used to call grain when silver based films) and better definition.


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RE: New camera photo of system?, posted on December 18, 2014 at 05:57:04
cloudwalker
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 I once asked my uncle (who worked with an electron microscope every day) what affected image quality in a camera. He said as long as everything worked adequately, the quality of the lens made the most difference. With your photo I think a flash or waiting for daylight would help the most...

 

Let there be light!, posted on December 18, 2014 at 06:12:30
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 Ever see Abe Collin's pics? I'm thinking he uses supplemental light to provide those razor sharp images.

 

RE: New camera photo of system?, posted on December 18, 2014 at 06:21:53
Rad21
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 Get a real camera.Would you own a $100 boom box to listen to music? You have a fine audio system, ditch the iPad, iPhone camera.

http://cameras.reviewed.com/features/please-stop-taking-pictures-with-your-tablet

 

2 things..., posted on December 18, 2014 at 06:53:40
rlw
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 As others have mentioned, there are 2 ways that you could improve the quality of your photos:

1) Get supplemental lighting. It looks to me like the iPad is struggling with having insufficient lighting on your hi-fi system. Take a picture (using the iPad) outside on a bright day and see how it compares with the one you posted.

2) Get a real camera. And it doesn't have to cost very much. I have a very credible Canon digital camera that I bought a few years ago for $99. Get something like this and your photo quality will improve immensely.

Good luck!
-RW-

 

RE: New camera photo of system?, posted on December 18, 2014 at 06:54:09
geoff
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 The camera on my ipad air is awful. Luckily, I didn't buy it for the camera. The camera in my iphone 5s is amazing.

 

Open your curtains and shoot pix in daylight, posted on December 18, 2014 at 06:58:56
LWR
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 better yet when the most light is coming in the window.

 

RE: 2 things..., posted on December 18, 2014 at 07:42:03
bullethead
 Thanks. Will do.

 

Better..., posted on December 18, 2014 at 08:24:53
musetap
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 but not too good.

Practice makes improvement.

And remember it's LIGHTS, camera, action...

"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure



 

iPad 2's Built-In Camera, posted on December 18, 2014 at 09:02:59
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Here is an unedited photo I took of my headphone amp and AKG K701 headphones. They belong to a bedroom system. When I took this photo, I placed the iPad 2 on a stool. If I hold the iPad with my hands, I'm too shaky. The room's lights were off, while the window's shades were open [it's morning, here in the Bay Area].

While people complain that your photo is fuzzy, I think the low light jars and evokes my memories of the early-90s, when we had 35mm cameras. Using flash would make objects too spotlit. So if we had turned off the flash, we'd end up with photos like yours. In those days, we had to use up the roll (usually 24 prints), take it somewhere for development, and wait.

Although your photo is of the present, its ambiance reminds me of the Fall 1990 quarter, when I was in a tiny and dark dorm room. I'd hunker down with my Sony D-10 Discman and MDR-CD6 headphones. That was thrash metal's peak, so yeah, I listened to new albums from Exodus, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Megadeth, Slayer, and Testament. But the CDs I probably played the most were Queensryche's Empire and Prefab Sprout's Jordan: The Comeback. One of these days, I'm going to have to write a review of the latter.

Thank you for taking the time, making the effort, and sharing your photo!

-Lummy The Loch Monster

 

RE: New camera photo of system?, posted on December 18, 2014 at 09:15:20
Palustris
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 If you wanted a camera, why not buy a camera and not a tablet PC?

 

+1 - lighting is everything (nt), posted on December 18, 2014 at 09:30:05
DKL
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A good low light photo..., posted on December 18, 2014 at 09:36:38
kuma
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Kodachrome, I bet.
Circa 1950 Karajan/Gieesking's Grieg Piano Concerto Columbia release.
Above photo is ageless to me.

 

RE: A good low light photo..., posted on December 18, 2014 at 10:13:52
bjh
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 "Above photo is ageless to me." ... presumably as reminder how *not* to handle vinyl records.


 

RE: Lens not fast enough , posted on December 18, 2014 at 13:01:58
Cpk
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 As others have said light was too low the iso needed to be too high equal grainy mess.

 

Maybe you should try the old camera, posted on December 18, 2014 at 13:02:27
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faster lens, higher sensitivity CCD or, perhaps, a tad higher ISO, posted on December 18, 2014 at 13:54:52
mhardy6647
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 Jeez, everyone's a critic, ain't they? ;-)

meshplate2A3

Taken on 2 May 2011 with a Nikon D5000 DSLR - 18-55 mm AF-S zoom Nikkor @ 55 mm, f5.6 4 second exposure at ISO 1600. I actually did take this one :-)

all the best,
mrh

 

RE: New camera photo of system?, posted on December 18, 2014 at 13:59:12
Cameraman
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 Try getting one of the other Cameras (app) works better in low light and has better features none of them work well in mixed or low light
Thanx

 

RE: New camera photo of system?, posted on December 18, 2014 at 14:04:10
Sondek
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 The camera on the iPad kind of sucks no matter what you do. Better light would help, but the camera still sucks. It's only a 5 mp camera with no flash. The camera on their phones is way better. Retina refers to the display on the iPad, not the camera. As I said, the camera is the same crappy iSight camera that been on the iPad since day 1.

 

RE: New camera photo of system?, posted on December 18, 2014 at 14:05:28
Cameraman
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 King Camera
Thanx

 

In case you are a vampire and cannot open your curtains in the daytime, posted on December 18, 2014 at 14:18:22
LWR
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 You can try one of the 2 APPS or read about options in the last linky...
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/night-cam-low-light-photo/id890834350?mt=8


http://www.nightcapcamera.com/

http://izzigadgets.com/blog/3-essential-iphone-apps-for-photography-at-night/

 

RE: In case you are a vampire and cannot open your curtains in the daytime, posted on December 18, 2014 at 14:22:55
bullethead
 Thanks for the info.

 

Yep, posted on December 18, 2014 at 14:43:57
LWR
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 cheap fix (es)...looking forward to your results...
Take care, Vlad.

 

Vlad, I give up, posted on December 18, 2014 at 16:14:39
bullethead



Here you go. Also looks like crap.

 

Er...., posted on December 18, 2014 at 16:24:06
LWR
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 there must be some settings that you missed or ignored...
How about open curtains and daylight?

 

He must find the concept, posted on December 18, 2014 at 16:45:49
E-Stat
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 "light" a challenge.

 

Who F-ing cares?, posted on December 18, 2014 at 16:52:11
Inmate51
 BH can't figure out how to take a good photo, but we've seen his system enough/often enough.

:(

 

sorry dude, posted on December 18, 2014 at 16:53:00
bullethead
 I'm sorry, I am enjoying it however, listening to the Grey Wolves now ;)

 

And you reply in kind, posted on December 18, 2014 at 17:39:32
Inmate51
 Good on you!

 

Some post processing applied, posted on December 18, 2014 at 23:33:11
Jon L
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Can't do too much given the jpeg quality but with some NR applied and shadows lifted.

 

photoshop and the Gimp, posted on December 19, 2014 at 03:12:38
bullethead
 I use the Gimp to edit photos that way, I'll do that next time.

 

RE: iPad 2's Built-In Camera, posted on December 19, 2014 at 06:33:38
fantja
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 Nice pic- Lummy.

 

RE: A good low light photo..., posted on December 19, 2014 at 06:34:11
fantja
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 Great pic! kuma.

 

I'm Not Giving Up, But..., posted on December 19, 2014 at 08:40:39
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In low light, I can only get this, with a raw iPad 2. I can take better photos with the iPad, if I (a) place it on a stable platform, and (b) ensure that there is ample light.

If your only camera is the one built into the iPad, all the other posts about getting a new camera are well-taken, but for now irrelevant.

I can't stand Peter Gabriel's annoying "Don't Give Up." Give me the driving "Red Rain" any time!

 

RE: New camera photo of system?, posted on December 19, 2014 at 12:00:36
AbeCollins
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 I'm sure it's been mentioned several times but lighting is the key to great photos. A crappy camera with great lighting will often take better photos than an expensive high-end camera with poor lighting.

You need more light, man!

But the photo does look a little better than your previous ones.

 

Here's a lighting suggestion for you..., posted on December 19, 2014 at 12:32:16
marc g.
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 Just came across it. Besides holding or setting it down, you can apparently place it on top of your phone or tablet using the headphone jack. ipads can take very decent pics - if the lighting is right.

http://photojojo.com/store/awesomeness/pocket-spotlight/


voolston - audiophile by day, music lover by night!

 

Just turn that light off or move it. nT, posted on December 19, 2014 at 16:49:21
M-dB
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 This looks like the same image from your old camera.

 

First and foremost ..., posted on December 20, 2014 at 07:35:02
blphoto
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 Don't shoot into the light. That is 100% the problem with this photo. The camera exposes for the light and the shadows will be DARK. If the light is behind you, you will get a better photo and exposure. The camera doesn't have the latitude to expose from the brightest to the darkest. It makes a decision. That is why you shoot on the beach, with the sun behind you, unless you want a silhouette.

 

thanks, posted on December 20, 2014 at 08:52:21
bullethead
 thanks a lot to you and everyone else with their responses. what you said reminds me that I have a lot of reading up to do on this.

 

first rule of photography..., posted on December 21, 2014 at 07:27:42
Green Lantern
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 It's all about light; you don't take pictures of things, you take pictures of light reflected off things.

Shoot during the day with the curtains wide open, if at night, move your lamp(s) around (behind you), take the shades off, leave them on, etc., it's all about experimenting. Unlike days of old, digital film is free; the only limitation is the willingness to explore/learn. Good shooting!












 

RE: First and foremost ..., posted on January 22, 2015 at 01:18:31
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 Camera meters ASSUME the average scene brightness is that of an 18% grey card and expose accordingly.

There are so many things wrong with that photo, from composition to exposure to color balance / color temp that I wouldn't know where to begin to FIX it.
Too much is never enough

 

RE: thanks, posted on January 22, 2015 at 20:00:18
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You don't need to READ. With All Due Respect, you need to TAKE LOTS OF PHOTOS.
Don't start in Low Light, but rather OUTDOORS or in a well-lit room. Don't start out 'tricky' but try to learn what your GOALS are.

Just like with your stereo, you have system and output goals. Learn the analogues in photography and aim at that target.

You should be able, ideally, to work your camera in total darkness and under the pressure of 'getting the shot'. Learn where all the buttons and controls are. Learn to configure it for the way YOU shoot, depending on the limits of the camera OS and controls.

Eventually, with some criticism, you'll be able to tell the good from the bad and take FEWER and BETTER photos. I heartily recommend taking a class. If you are REALLY serious, an ART CLASS in 2-D design is good. and Basis for composition. Go to the photography department and see if they offer 'shooting weekends' where you spend a day shooting and a CLASS day with criticism and learning about the common mistakes you and ALL the other newbies make.

When I did weddings I would take an AVERAGE of 1 photo per minute for as long as 10 HOURS.

I would hope for a good yield of printable and Album-Worthy shots.

A little something from Vegas at NIGHT. My favorite time!
Too much is never enough

 

RE: thanks, posted on January 23, 2015 at 08:15:57
Inmate51
 BHead, what Pictureguy said!

Going back to his comment about a gray card - get one. Also get a Kodak color strip, just for fun and to see how different kinds of light affect color rendition. Both are available at B&H Photo in NYC and are inexpensive.

To approximate correct exposure without a card, find some object which approximates one. Ideally, a piece of slate stone, or a slab of concrete in shadow, or other "medium gray" object. The darker pieces of some laser printer bodies are almost ideal.

Also, somebody noted the problem with your floor lamp. MAJOR problem. Keep it out of the frame, or at least set your light meter to "spot" or "center-weighted", or compensate by a couple of stops. The camera's meter is going all like "whoa, dude, that's really bright!", and compensates for it, thus making the rest of your scene under-exposed, unless you compensate for it in the other direction.

:)

 

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