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Are audio buffs that ignore Classical and Jazz, narrow minded slobs?

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Posted on December 8, 2014 at 15:41:23
Giant body of "great music" that should not be ignored!

Only 2% of current music sold in USA. WTF!

There are certainly plenty of recordings for listeners of "ANY musical taste" in there.

Too old for the mainstream?

Remember "All music was once new"!

 

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RE: Are audio buffs that ignore Classical and Jazz, narrow minded slobs?, posted on December 8, 2014 at 16:27:52
"All music was once new."

And a fellow MPR listener is revealed...

 

Pandora, posted on December 8, 2014 at 16:36:02
jedrider
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My wife discovered Pandora! Oldies, Goodies, I don't know, but they seem to repeat a lot of the songs. I bet I would like some of the songs on the original album played back on a good system, but only some of them.

Was driving me crazy until I suggested some neutral territory of Baroque Music. It wasn't so bad, as I am not so familiar with all the repertory, so I didn't notice the repeats and, let's face it, it's EASY to list to Table Music over and over again!

I don't know: Maybe there is a silver lining to this easy access to music, maybe not.

 

What do you mean by, ignore? ..., posted on December 8, 2014 at 16:57:31
... If ignore means, don't listen to, I think one should listen to what one likes irrespective of what somebody else thinks they should listen to.

 

Classical and Jazz buffs have a different motto..., posted on December 8, 2014 at 17:21:20
"All music was once old."

 

RE: What do you mean by, ignore? ..., posted on December 8, 2014 at 17:46:00
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Nobody should listen to what other people want them to listen to, but everyone should listen only to good music, and not garbage. Unfortunately most people listen to garbage most of the time.

 

{but everyone should listen only to good music, and not garbage.} ~ Why? , posted on December 8, 2014 at 20:13:44
... Why should people only listen to good music? Who gets to arbitrate what is good? You?

Why do you even care what other people listen to?


I suspect the overwhelming majority of people listen to music they like. Being judgmental about what other people like to listen to seems a tad arrogant to me.




 

It can reasonably be asserted that ..., posted on December 8, 2014 at 20:16:27
Mike K
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people who listen exclusively/mostly to classical or jazz (or both) are
narrow minded snobs.

I listen to classical, jazz, bluegrass, acoustic folk and big band swing.
I do not listen to rock of any genre, or modern country or electric
blues. It's mostly if not completely dreck.

And yes I freely admit to being a musical snob. I have good taste in
music. I know what I like and what I don't. I've heard lots of great music
live, played by world class artists (Les Paul, Christopher Parkening,
Dan Crary, and Joe Pass, just to name a few of the world class guitarists
whose music has graced by ears). I'm not ashamed of being musically
snobbish or having preferences or being somewhat educated about music.

Real music has improved my life greatly. I don't have time for the dreck.

Lack of skill dictates economy of style. - Joey Ramone

 

What I think he means....., posted on December 8, 2014 at 21:14:26
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.... is that a critical part of our musical heritage is being slowly lost, and the cited figure is stark evidence of that.

But that argument has been around for many generations, and probably even back to the time of the ancient Greeks and their pentatonic scale. If these genres are 'dying', their deaths are taking forever! ;-)

I suspect the 'classics' will always be kicking around; but just how 'good' will they be performed is another matter entirely.

What really concerns me about the trend cited above in the op is the ever-growing loss of the most talented YOUNG musicians who will simply ignore the previous classical avenues and proceed down the most popular (and likely most remunerative) musical pathways. And who can blame them? Big bucks, big fun, cute babes and much less 'work'? What's not to like?

Of course, it goes both ways: classically trained younger musicians many times simply 'bolt' from the straight-jacket of classical formalism and wildly embrace the freedom of modern popular music. A friend of mine did exactly this when he was a young man, and blew off a budding career as a classical pianist. And this guy was good! I mean really, really good. As in being a soloist with the Glendale Symphony Orchestra in his teens, kinda good.

Recently, looking back some 40 years ago, my friend wished aloud he had stayed with it, but then admitted the never-ending practice and studies and drills and recitals, all became too much. Although supremely musically talented, he simply did not have the discipline or drive that was necessary to succeed in the incredibly small and hyper-competitive world of classical music. Few do, apparently. And the numbers are getting smaller and smaller with each passing decade.

Sadly, it is unlikely we will see the type of discipline necessary to produce an Artur Rubinstein or Jascha Heifetz in our lifetimes. I hope not, but the likelihood is very great. The current rewards system for entertainers does not favor that outcome.

So I can empathize with the op about the appallingly small amount of sales of classical music, i.e., jazz and instrumental/symphonic/choral recordings. It does not portend for a robust and growing future of these genres of music. Talent, like people, usually will go where the money takes it. And that's popular music. Hell, I'd bet some serious bucks that Beethoven (or Mozart, for that matter) would have been a huge rock star if born today!

Yet, as was stated at the outset, the 'death' of classical music has been foretold for generations, and it is still out there, lurking for those weird enough to try and wrap their heads around it.

Popular music is just that: popular, and for a very good reason. It reaches lowest common denominator levels and pushes corresponding emotional buttons for maximum sales. Nice, sexy, simple tunes for nice, simple, over-sexed youthful minds. Challenge? Complexity? Come on! Get serious, please. Dumbing down is absolutely essential for entertainment-style activities, as reaching the widest possible audience, and not artistic achievement, is what is sought. True musical excellence and genius might even be liabilities in today's day and age. Simply put, they would likely get in the way of maximizing profits.

It's all about the Benjamins, baby!

Always has been. Always will be. For better or worse. (And usually, for the worse...... )

 

Hell No........., posted on December 8, 2014 at 22:22:53
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I question people on a lot of things.... Their tastes in music is not one of them.

 

Well said! ant, posted on December 9, 2014 at 02:04:18
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RE: Are audio buffs that ignore Classical and Jazz, narrow minded slobs?, posted on December 9, 2014 at 05:19:45
The Beatles mono/vinyl is the ultimate experience. It all ends there.

 

RE: {but everyone should listen only to good music, and not garbage.} ~ Why? , posted on December 9, 2014 at 08:05:09
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Why do you attribute to me things I never said? I don't care what other people listen to. I explicitly stated that no one should listen to music because other people say they should. Everyone should decide for themselves what to listen to. At the same time, life is short, and it is a waste of time listening to garbage. Everyone should listen to the best music they can find. Of course, each individual must decide for herself what is best. But liking something doesn't mean that it is good. As Socrates taught us, everyone should like something because it is good, but nothing is good just because someone likes it. If others are ok with having bad taste, that is their business. Again, I don't care. Everyone is free to decide for themselves how to live their lives and what music to listen to. Everyone has an equal right to decide what is good. But people would be better off if they had good taste and were able to make good judgments about what music is really good and worth listening to. Just because everyone has an equal right to judge for themselves what is good does not mean that everyone's judgment is equally true.

 

RE: Are audio buffs that ignore Classical and Jazz, narrow minded slobs?, posted on December 9, 2014 at 10:26:53
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I feel we all should do our part to preserve musical heritage.

 

As for me..., posted on December 9, 2014 at 11:08:25
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I happen to listen to what I enjoy. Why not?

As it turns out, I very much enjoy classical music and find deep enjoyment from it - along with providing a higher reference of musical realism than most multi-miked amplified music genres (of which I also enjoy).

I own some jazz music just to give it a try. Didn't work. :)

 

No, but those who ignore rock and country are ;-), posted on December 9, 2014 at 13:08:19
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That's a silly question.

 

Rock and country are SO pedestrian compared with..., posted on December 9, 2014 at 15:15:17
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Change ringing.

It's the next wave!

Rick

 

The critics maybe, but never the fans!, posted on December 9, 2014 at 16:37:20
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While I might wonder about someone who doesn't at least dip a toe or two into other genres of music than the ones he or she is already a fan of ... but in the end ... it's their free time and their enjoyment.

Life's too short to judge.

Like what you like. While you are enriched by lots of types of music and performances, nobody will make you.

Peace.
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"You are precisely as big as what you love and precisely as small as what you allow to annoy you." ~ R A Wilson

 

Don't call garbage… garbage! It hurts some people's feelings. three_sox is very, very sensitive. , posted on December 10, 2014 at 15:14:24
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Not effeminate, exactly, but v e r y easily upset.
Justin Bieber, Britney Spears, Barry Manilow: these and many more deserve your deep respect and admiration--- as do their fans.
Don't want to appear elite, do we--- even though we're on a forum for guys whose systems shout out, "E L I T E!"
Pardon me, I need to join a group as we sing, "Kumbaya!"

 

More inane drivel from the master ... , posted on December 11, 2014 at 00:57:09
... My comments, as usual, went over your trite, pigeon-holed melon.

You paint with a broad brush and still can't hit the side of barn.

Whoosh!

 

RE: Are audio buffs that ignore Classical and Jazz, narrow minded slobs?, posted on December 11, 2014 at 07:44:34
No more than sports buffs that ignore lacrosse and women's basketball........

 

RE: Are audio buffs that ignore Classical and Jazz, narrow minded slobs?, posted on December 11, 2014 at 07:55:19
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Intellectual curiosity is one of life's greatest gifts. The absense of intellectual curiosity doesn't make someone narrow minded or a slob, but it certainly has the potential to diminish one's enjoyment of life.

 

RE: Are audio buffs that ignore Classical and Jazz, narrow minded slobs?, posted on December 11, 2014 at 20:36:24
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I think you have it backwards. Most audiophiles who listen exclusively to jazz and classical music and refuse to listen to new music could be said to be the snobs. Disclosure - I listen mainly to jazz and classical. I know I am missing a ton of good music out there. It comes down to exposure. If you listen to something enough you will come to like it (assuming it is not terrible or simple in some way, of course). But I also agree - it is a great shame for people to miss the beauty of the Masters, because, well, they are never exposed to it...

 

RE: Are audio buffs that ignore Classical and Jazz, narrow minded slobs?, posted on December 11, 2014 at 20:39:17
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Oops, you said slobs, I said snobs... interesting mix up. I would equate the word "slob" with "ignorance", so I guess in that respect it would be appropriate in some way. And snobs for those who refuse to try the new stuff.

 

RE: It can reasonably be asserted that ..., posted on December 12, 2014 at 01:41:52
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So you think you have good taste in music, but like Bluegrass? :)

The thing is, *everybody* has good taste in music. Don't believe me? Just ask them.

 

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