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Are we nuts?

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Posted on December 7, 2014 at 10:04:20
ruxtonvet
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 I just finished reading Valin's TAS review of the Soulution monoblock amplifiers ($115,000) and preamp ($65,000). Interesting review of an interesting product. My first amplifier was a Grommes four watt unit for around $20 in the late 50s. We have come a long way but where are we going? We are trying to enjoy music at home. Would any sane person spend $220,000 for amplification of music? You could attend a lot of concerts N.Y., London and Paris for that kind of money and still have change left over for a few nice dinners. Maybe we need to step back from this hobby and think about what we have evolved into.

 

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what you mean 'we' paleface?, posted on December 7, 2014 at 10:18:55
mbnx01
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 'We' haven't evolved into anything.

The hi-fi industry has split into 'gear for normal people' and 'gear for the people who own ferrari's'.

I hope you like this, it's not changing anytime soon.

Ignore the $200,000 amps and $100,000 speakers, it has nothing to do with us.







'A lie is halfway around the world before the truth gets its boots on'. -Mark Twain

 

Why do people buy $400,000 luxury cars? $250,000 fur coats? 500 million dollar yachts?, posted on December 7, 2014 at 10:35:16
tinear
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 Envy is a terrible emotion, but it is the basis of capitalism. Long may it reign!

 

I had a taste in dream, posted on December 7, 2014 at 10:57:24
bullethead
 There is nothing wrong with sitting in a nice chair. Not my chair at the moment so it is not my problem. All I can say is try to not let it get to your constitution. Balance and relaxation should be key in any life.

 

I sincerely doubt, posted on December 7, 2014 at 11:11:30
mwhitmore
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 that people buying these amps are deferring their trips to Europe.

 

Exactly., posted on December 7, 2014 at 11:17:33
Rick W
 Obviously wealthy people buy that stuff, not the overwhelming majority of audiophiles. Just like any other supposedly hi-end item whether gloves or hifi, they charge what the traffic will bear and capitalize on the concept that if it costs a helluva lot of amount of money it must be the best.

No doubt some hyper-expensive hifi products *are* among the best. I just don't care, and wouldn't care about amps/pre's like that even if I had Bloombergian resources.

 

It's all good, posted on December 7, 2014 at 11:47:38
genungo
 Plebians benefit from the trickle-down technology. The R & D that goes into creating those monstrous flagships helps us all, at least in some ways.

It makes me happy when I see the pics and read the reviews. I'm glad to see that the artisans of this world still have some work to do. I don't feel envious of those who can afford that stuff.

If you could afford some of that stuff, you'd probably spend half of your life looking over your shoulder and worrying about gold-digging women, getting kidnapped for ransom, or having your money stolen somehow. What a life that would be!

Now, if only we could bring some of our manufacturing back home...

 

"We" are fine..., posted on December 7, 2014 at 12:06:15
musetap
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This hobby is as fragmented into as many different levels based on taste, income and interest as any other hobby.



Mostly, the audiophiles reading this aren't buying that Ultra High End stuff; the audience for UHE isn't interested in the hobby in the same way "we"
are and likely don't have the time nor inclination to hang out hear, or at any internet audio site.

The manufacture's targeting that demographic don't hang out here and the people reviewing it live in a fantasy world where being able to do so is their only access to hearing it, and then they get to share their fantasy with YOU.

I find that area of this hobby pretentious, tedious and ridiculous: it seems to have more to do with lifestyle than listening to music as an audiophile pursuit.

But to each their own: I'd just as soon read about collecting Faberge Eggs or yachting, as UHE audio has as much to do with me as those endeavours, minus the artistic vision and craft that goes into them.

Plus I can listen to music while doing so.


"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure



 

RE: Are we nuts?, posted on December 7, 2014 at 12:26:51
mkuller
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 ...HP always said Valin "wanted to be him", reviewing the best of the best equipment.

Sadly that equipment has become so expensive, only the 1% can afford it.

Along with Lamboroghini's, big yachts and multi-million dollar vacation homes.

 

does a rolls, posted on December 7, 2014 at 13:42:03
unclestu
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 Offer better performance than miata? Does a Lamborghini offer that much more street performance? Like many things audio also offers product s which simply announce that you've made it

 

RE: Are we nuts?, posted on December 7, 2014 at 13:55:56
Schlep
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 The good news is. . . you can assemble a musical system for way, way less $$$.



Craig

 

Wolf of Wall Street can afford it, posted on December 7, 2014 at 14:04:29
Jay Buridan
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 bit it's too much for me.

"Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. "
― W.C. Fields

 

As for me..., posted on December 7, 2014 at 15:02:29
E-Stat
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 I wouldn't mind air travel in my own $50M Gulfstream G550 - if the budget permitted. :)

 

{Would any sane person spend $220,000 for amplification of music?} ... , posted on December 7, 2014 at 15:16:08
three_sox
 ...Yes, of course they would and do, it is all relative.

If you wish to attempt to justify what you spend on audio that is your business but why are you attempting to belittle what another person spends?

I never understand why some folks seem to be indignant about how much money other people spend.

Life's good, be happy.



 

that was a fascinating film, posted on December 7, 2014 at 15:18:45
bullethead
 that was a fascinating film, the Wolf of Wall street. I had a great time watching it, the story was one of excess, what does Trent Reznor from Nine Inch Nails say something like he flew so high he burnt a wing, or something similar.

I know a couple of independent wealthy friends in their mid 30s like that, but they don't even have to work. absolutely insane!

 

Does a bear, posted on December 7, 2014 at 15:29:54
E-Stat
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 *sit* in the woods?

 

"I just finished reading ... " Repeat that a few times ... you have the answer. ;) just decide nt, posted on December 7, 2014 at 15:30:17
bjh
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:-), posted on December 7, 2014 at 15:33:49
mark111
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RE: Are we nuts?, posted on December 7, 2014 at 16:06:57
fantja
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 Not to worry-
we audiophiles need the ultra-high-end, as the trickle-down effect, of the technologies benefit us in the future!

 

RE: {Would any sane person spend $220,000 for amplification of music?} ... , posted on December 7, 2014 at 16:23:50
calloway
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 very well put.....

 

RE: Are we nuts?, posted on December 7, 2014 at 17:12:17
Mike K
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 These things are not intended for people interested in music: they are
intended for people interested in spending a miniscule fraction of their
disposable funds on something to impress their friends and acquaintances.

These are not the first wildly overpriced pieces of audio jewelry, nor
will they be the last.

Lack of skill dictates economy of style. - Joey Ramone

 

Not any more than the person who bought the penthouse here., posted on December 7, 2014 at 19:28:06
DustyC
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 95 million bucks.
200,000 plus is chump change.

 

RE: {Would any sane person spend $220,000 for amplification of music?} ... , posted on December 7, 2014 at 19:28:28
RGA
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 It's the whole starving children down the block thing. Principally, I agree with you - worry about your own spending not what other people do - but there is that clawing in some people's conscience that balks at what they consider "obscene" spending more for spending sake than for actual sonic improvement.

My system is not extravagant but my domestic helper earns less in a year than what I paid for my amplifier. And it's not like she's stupid or doesn't work hard. 14 hours a day 6 days a week. Has a degree - but it's growing up in a corrupt Philippines, being female, and there you go. Something tells me if you or I grew up there we would not have had it as good growing up and I would not be in the position I am in today.

I suppose that is what people call "liberal guilt" - Which is founded on John Rawls' notion of the veil of Ignorance.

Indeed, that philosophy is what should be at the heart of religious people's ten commandments or "the golden rule" of doing to others as they would do unto you.

So I don't particularly begrudge anyone spending $220k or $220 million or $5k - whatever the amount it will be crazy money to someone. But I hope when they or me spend the money on such things we also take into account that we are fortunate to be able to or born into fortunate circumstances to be able to live the way we do - and that those who can't are not "other" or "lesser" or stupid or lazy.

And I agree with Rawls that at the very least a society's rules should be created to give everyone the same chances at the outset of birth.

And with the veil of ignorance philosophy - a kind of studied empathy from people who lack empathy.

A West Wing youtube clip on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mm1c0UcTPo

And Veil of Ignorance in short

 

Well, it will be the tallest phallic symbol in the Big Apple... , posted on December 7, 2014 at 19:36:07
musetap
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 I'm sure they bought it as an investment.

"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure



 

so your eyes are open, posted on December 7, 2014 at 19:36:45
bullethead
 Grass always seems greener on the other side.

 

RE: Are we nuts?, posted on December 7, 2014 at 20:00:32
suretyguy
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 I'm fascinated by this stuff, although I don't think I'd spend that kind of money for audio gear if I had it...but who knows?

By the way it's interesting to go back through recent issues of TAS and try to tote up the cost of Valin's stated "reference" system(s). I stopped when the total seemed to go north of $500,000. I do wonder who pays for that stuff. Is it a business expense for the magazine? Does he pay for it out of the proceeds of his series of mystery novels? Is he independently wealthy? I'd hate to think these are permanent "loans" from manufacturers in exchange for favorable reviews, although I do think I recall that he had a $100,000+ Walker turntable about which he raved several times on "loan" for more than 7 years...

 

RE: Are we nuts?, posted on December 7, 2014 at 20:06:21
bullethead
 He must know something.

 

web site, posted on December 7, 2014 at 20:18:44
slapshot
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 That's a remarkable website for the building; particularly enjoyed the time-lapse photography of it being built.

 

Unquestionably. Next question... nt, posted on December 7, 2014 at 20:37:41
Barabajagal
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 nt

 

Long term loans, as I understand it, posted on December 7, 2014 at 20:48:46
Metralla
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 I believe that those very expensive pieces in his system are on loan.


Regards,
Geoff

 

I don't think we're the ones who are nuts, posted on December 7, 2014 at 21:04:52
4everyoung
 The biggest difference between a $5000 amp and a $115,000 amp are the flowery prose used to describe them.

Sue :-)

 

RE: so your eyes are open, posted on December 7, 2014 at 22:19:01
RGA
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 Listen - I think most people know the reality but they convince themselves that they somehow "earned" their spot in society. Some do but in virtually every case they were helped by someone or something along the way. Parents paid for all your university and paid for private tutors. Sent you to private school to learn in far more ideal circumstances - moved you to a better city or school district. You grew up in a country where you could even go to school.

You happened to be born in a western country which instantaneously gave you vastly better odds than the kid born in the Philippines who is vastly better off than being born in much of Africa.

I'm not sure the link is much use. The practicality of society is an economic based civilization and one can fall prey to any number of conspiracy theories given their desire that everything that is establishment is "wrong" or "evil."

And not all rich people are evil just as not all poor people are righteous. It's just that rarely do people look at the other guy's situation or walked the mile in their shoes. I can imagine growing up in poverty I suppose but that's about all - I can imagine. Pretty different than living it day to day. Just as spending a day in a wheelchair isn't the same as living it for life.

And while it's cool to be able to afford the toys and be famous - even Robin Williams couldn't find happiness in the end inside a massive mansion on beautiful acreage doing a job that is arguably "fun" compared to most lines of work.

Being a Star Trek fan I always liked the idea of humankind bettering themsleves and the species as the goal of life over the accumulation of expensive property and things as being the goal. Unfortunately, Roddenberry and Dickens were good at revealing the poles of where we are in the future over where we are now but he never showed us the how to of getting there from here. Ultimately, the rich guys are the guys who have the power to make it happen - the rest of us kind of get dragged along for the ride.

 

Watching that photo presentation made me feel like a terrorist..., posted on December 8, 2014 at 00:13:28
genungo
 ... getting ready to crash into the penthouse.

I wouldn't live there - not because I wouldn't want to join any club that would have me for a member, but because it looks downright dangerous.

 

RE: does a rolls / not quite right..., posted on December 8, 2014 at 03:11:01
wangmr
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 the assumption - true or not it is a motivating factor - is that quality comes with status. who believes a rolls uses mediocre parts?? who believes a rolex uses mediocre parts?? [true or not; we're talking reason for buying along with status]

roger wang

 

RE:depends what's **left out**...., posted on December 8, 2014 at 03:13:09
wangmr
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 when you indulge in a hobby (i guess we can call two pieces of equipment for any hobby in the 100s of thousands an indulgence), you can find people ignoring basics in their life.

i'll let you figure out what those basics can be or are.

roger wang

 

LOL, posted on December 8, 2014 at 03:29:12
unclestu
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 Rolls uses a Chevy turbo hydromatic automatic transmission straight from GM. No mods.

 

You’re being a tad presumptuous there Wang …. , posted on December 8, 2014 at 03:39:37
three_sox
 ... Indulging in one’s hobby need not be at the expense of anything else in one’s life.

Life is full of individual choices and priorities which usually differ from one person to the next.

You can find people ignoring the basics in life, whatever the heck that means in your jaundiced little mind, in almost any situation irrespective if a hobby is involved or not.

However I suspect most people who indulge in audio only do so with time and money they can well afford.

YMMV.

 

so what are you supposed to do?, posted on December 8, 2014 at 03:53:06
bullethead
 My ancestors fought in World War 2 and Vietnam, I was the first of the spoiled generation, they wouldn't want it any other way for me after their sacrifice and the sacrifice of their fallen brothers.

Should I feel guilty? Or embrace my great fortune, knowing somehow it was meant to be.

And not even great fortune when you compare it to that expensive equipment, I mean I have at least 1 meal a day and a place to sleep. I worked my ass off for 20 years so far since 16 years old and there's no way I'll stop for another 20 or 30 years. Should I feel fortunate? Get jealous at those that have more? Get jealous at those that have less?

And in the grand scheme of things I am completely miserable myself, while someone in another place on the planet would be fascinated that I have something called running water and a toilet.

 

RE: Are we nuts?, posted on December 8, 2014 at 04:52:37
jsm71
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 Audiophiles represent a very small percentage of the overall population. I'm sure withing the population of billionaires the percentage of audiophiles is about the same. Not many of them have 2 channel listening equipment. Of those that do they would consider the equipment we are talking about because the gear doesn't put a dent in their disposible income and they would enjoy something that sounds as good as it is portrayed. Did they overspend? They won't give it a thought.

 

RE: so what are you supposed to do?, posted on December 8, 2014 at 06:25:04
RGA
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 The key to it all is to not take yourself too seriously and to believe you are more than you are. In the end Carl Sagan puts it all into perspective and the true problem is being arrogant enough to thing you're "special."

Enjoy life - be good, try to help your fellow man - since that should bring you happiness.

Carl Sagan

 

:) nt, posted on December 8, 2014 at 06:27:17
bjh
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RE: so what are you supposed to do?, posted on December 8, 2014 at 06:35:36
RGA
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 And that word privilege is a big problem that I'd argue religion perpetuates. If something bad happens to the other guy - it's God's will. If I become wealthy - I didn't do anything wrong - I was specially chosen to have said wealth. And on and on it goes.

Carl Sagan again

 

how I see the world, posted on December 8, 2014 at 06:53:55
bullethead
 That's nice but I'd rather follow this guy's line of thinking.

 

I occasionally like to read about what I'm not missing, posted on December 8, 2014 at 07:08:22
dadbar
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 Spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to attain that last 10% of perfection....well why not? I probably can't hear the difference and don't care.

If someone is willing to spend that kind of crazy money, though, it benefits everybody if it eventualy funds new, breakthrough technology to penetrate the mass market in 10 years.

 

RE: Are we nuts?, posted on December 8, 2014 at 07:14:05
middleground
 It is insane and the death of audio.

 

RE: {Would any sane person spend $220,000 for amplification of music?} ... , posted on December 8, 2014 at 07:15:42
middleground
 Are you all like that in Australia?

 

RE: I occasionally like to read about what I'm not missing, posted on December 8, 2014 at 07:17:05
middleground
 10%? You are being very liberal here.

 

RE: Are we nuts?, posted on December 8, 2014 at 07:19:38
middleground
 Are you actually worrying about billionaires? Too effin' funny for words!

I worry about what this means to society.

Call me queer.

 

HP, posted on December 8, 2014 at 07:20:18
Inmate51
 Ya HAD to bring up HP. Ya know, I led a long, prosperous and happy life in audio and acoustics and never heard of HP until I started reading this asylum, although I had seen a few issues of TAS and tossed them aside as more audiophile rubbish.

I do, however, remember Julian Hirsch. Do I get audiophile points for that?

:)

 

RE: Why do people buy $400,000 luxury cars? $250,000 fur coats? 500 million dollar yachts?, posted on December 8, 2014 at 07:23:51
middleground
 If that's your version of capitalism than capitalism in nonsense.

 

RE: does a rolls, posted on December 8, 2014 at 07:24:44
middleground
 Strange, I only wear one pair of trousers at a time...

 

RE: does a rolls / not quite right..., posted on December 8, 2014 at 07:25:43
middleground
 How much should a guy a spend on a mouse trap?

 

RE: Are we nuts?, posted on December 8, 2014 at 07:27:14
jsm71
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 I'm not worried about billionaires. If you're worried about billionaires in society, consider that this level of wealth disparity has been around for centuries. Nothing new here and they will always be there to buy the best.

If you're worried about high cost uber gear, that's simple supply and demand. If nobody ever bought this stuff, they would stop making it but that isn't the case.

 

RE: Exactly., posted on December 8, 2014 at 07:31:17
middleground
 Does the Miser of Omaha spend any of his money on such equipment?

 

RE: Not any more than the person who bought the penthouse here., posted on December 8, 2014 at 07:32:57
middleground
 Sorry, that's an investment, audio equipment is like throwing money into a furnace.

 

RE: Why do people buy $400,000 luxury cars? $250,000 fur coats? 500 million dollar yachts?, posted on December 8, 2014 at 07:53:13
Inmate51
 "If that's your version of capitalism than capitalism in nonsense. "

Are you already drunk?

 

RE: Intentions, posted on December 8, 2014 at 07:56:48
genungo
 Most of us can only guess at what the intentions of the richest 1% might be. They tend not to hang out with those of us who are not members of their club.

It is likely that some of them have superficial intentions, but it is just as possible that some of them really are interested in the music and simply want the very best playback system that money can buy.

I don't really care when the richest 1% spend big bucks on an audio system because that's probably one of the better things they could possibly do with their money. OTOH, "flagship" yachts, private jets, golf courses, huge homes, gas-guzzling autos, etc.., constitute much more of a genuine public concern. I can only guess at what their intentions might be, but when they fail to set a good example...

 

RE: Are we nuts?, posted on December 8, 2014 at 07:59:22
Inmate51
 Don't include me in your "we".

And, for me, this isn't a hobby.

 

Well put!, posted on December 8, 2014 at 08:13:33
rick_m
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 I like to think that most of us are looking for performance, not pumping up our egos. And yet the only metric commonly bandied about is price...

Rick

 

My guess is very few of "us" are part of that "we" (nt), posted on December 8, 2014 at 08:32:45
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reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.


 

"Life's good, be happy"...I wonder what proportion of the planet's human population would agree (nt), posted on December 8, 2014 at 08:43:56
Steve O
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RE: Intentions, posted on December 8, 2014 at 09:11:28
Mike K
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 Well, I can't guess the intentions of anyone either, but I will stand by
my comments. If someone really wants to buy a truly high dollar system
that sounds truly good, he will be buying brands such as ARC, VTL, Ayre,
Rowland, Boulder, CAT, and a few others.

Lack of skill dictates economy of style. - Joey Ramone

 

RE: Intentions, posted on December 8, 2014 at 09:24:00
genungo
 You could be right, I'm not disputing that possibility. That said, it's a big world out there.

I can imagine that some of these billionaires buy uber-expensive things in order to support those who contribute to making the more affordable things that the rest of us buy.

I would imply that some of the most superficial a-holes around have very little money to throw away or to invest with. The rich can actuate their dreams, that's all.

 

RE: Are we nuts?, posted on December 8, 2014 at 10:22:09
rkeman
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 Spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on a stereo amplifier and preamplifier would never happen regardless of my personal wealth. It is good engineering that brings fine sound at a reasonable cost, and that is what I seek out and support.

 

+1. Besides, I don't think that wondering why anyone would spend $220K on audio..., posted on December 8, 2014 at 11:31:54
carcass93
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 ... is any more bizarre, than some anonymous and obnoxious fool on the Internet, flapping his gums about life being good, and suggesting others to be happy.

 

RE: Are we nuts?, posted on December 8, 2014 at 11:39:13
daleda
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 I hope they send high end escorts to install it and spend the weekend getting the owner happy with the new purchase. Otherwise, just ridiculous!

 

In your case ... , posted on December 8, 2014 at 11:56:03
three_sox
 ... Is it ~ Life's bad, be miserable?

It seems you are obsessive and bitter.




 

Like what? , posted on December 8, 2014 at 11:57:52
three_sox
 Unlike you I never purport to speak for anyone other than myself.

 

If something "seems" to you - lay off the keyboard, pick up the phone, and...., posted on December 8, 2014 at 11:59:17
carcass93
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 ... schedule your long-overdue appointment.

Just a heads-up though: I don't think they found a cure for being a nasty obnoxious fool yet.

 

Projecting again? ...., posted on December 8, 2014 at 12:02:03
three_sox
 ... You have nothing of substance to add to the threat except your usual personal invective.

 

I don't know ... , posted on December 8, 2014 at 12:11:54
three_sox
 .... I will guess most believe the notion is laudable.

However in the context of this thread and in the context of the few people who read this forum I suspect the overwhelming majority have a good life and are happy.

What do you think?


 

RE: Are we nuts?, posted on December 8, 2014 at 12:14:48
middleground
 Seriously, how long do you think "they" will keep making it?

 

RE: Like what? , posted on December 8, 2014 at 12:16:21
middleground
 Exactly! Just like what you just typed out now!

 

RE: Why do people buy $400,000 luxury cars? $250,000 fur coats? 500 million dollar yachts?, posted on December 8, 2014 at 12:17:42
middleground
 As sober as a judge, but not an American one, I just can't be that ideological.

 

So you want me to answer for others? , posted on December 8, 2014 at 12:26:17
three_sox
 ... Yes/no?

 

"have a good life and are happy" - probably. They just don't need..., posted on December 8, 2014 at 12:33:38
carcass93
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 ... an anonymous Internet asshole to tell them that in patronizing tone.

Got it, triple sux?

 

Nope. Exposing you for what you are, again., posted on December 8, 2014 at 12:44:34
carcass93
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 To be exact, you are exposing yourself again (as in flashing) - I'm just a guy with a camera and megaphone.

 

Oh dear, in the first instance you agree with me.... , posted on December 8, 2014 at 12:47:44
three_sox
 ... However in the second instance you need to understand you don't speak for everybody on the forum no matter how much you think you do.

I find your invective little tantrums quite amusing.


Life's good, enjoy it.



 

Keep up the good work ... , posted on December 8, 2014 at 12:49:31
three_sox
 ... It is a true insight into your invective little world.




 

I think you're probably correct...., posted on December 8, 2014 at 15:25:14
Steve O
Audiophile

Posts: 12359
Location: SE MI
Joined: September 6, 2001
 ....that a majority (but definately not all) of those reading this stuff and posting here have a pretty good life. What I find bothersome is the flippant and somewhat insensitive dismissal of a legitimate concern. What's most bothersome is that we seem to be living in a culture that celebrates extreme excess by a few while the vast majority of the planet's population lives a very tough life without even an opportunity for better.

 

I think it all needs to be viewed with perspective ... , posted on December 8, 2014 at 16:04:26
three_sox
 ... If one wants to look at how most Americans live or how most Australians live it will be viewed as living in opulence compared to how some poor wretched soul in the Middle East or North & West Africa live.

Viewing the mind-boggling sums of money Western Governments spend on the military and/or government bureaucracy/politicians compared to how some poor wretched souls starve in the streets in third world countries is a far bigger problem than an individual spending money on a amplifier. (IMHO)

It could be argued should any of us good people spend any money on our indulgence of audio when there are people dying of starvation in the world?

To only pick on a person because they spend some arbitrarily judged excessive amount of money whilst at the same time not looking at the principle of what is more important, audio or human life, seems a little bit shallow to me.

I know a number of people who spend large sums of money on boats, planes, cars, homes & toys. I think all of them are also quite generous with their time & money towards poor people.

I think you might find the guy who spends hundreds of thousands of dollars on audio might also be quite generous to the less well off.

I would hope most people on this forum reflect from time to time about how fabulously well off they are compared to many in the world.











 

RE: Why do people buy $400,000 luxury cars? $250,000 fur coats? 500 million dollar yachts?, posted on December 8, 2014 at 16:23:41
Inmate51
 Well, then, your attention to detail sucks.

:)

 

RE: Are we nuts? YES! n/t, posted on December 8, 2014 at 16:33:13
JoeKool
Audiophile

Posts: 896
Location: NYC
Joined: May 9, 2003
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in a nutshell....yes! nt, posted on December 8, 2014 at 18:32:37
Green Lantern
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Posts: 16952
Location: San Diego, Ca
Joined: November 12, 2002
Contributor
  Since: June 17, 2003
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3 EarthCams on the site,too , posted on December 8, 2014 at 19:04:21
DustyC
Audiophile

Posts: 963
Joined: November 4, 2000
 Saw that crane hauling up a pair of ARC monoblocks to the penthouse last week. :>)

 

RE: Exactly., posted on December 9, 2014 at 05:05:56
bh46118
Audiophile

Posts: 217
Joined: December 15, 2010
 If you have the money and want the best, go for it. I'm not jealous of the wealthy.

 

RE: not talking about time and money expended...., posted on December 9, 2014 at 05:25:05
wangmr
Audiophile

Posts: 2410
Location: Downtown
Joined: November 29, 2012
 but your programmed mind would naturally see those two parts of life in the equation.

can you see any OTHER part of a person's hobbyist ('extremist-interest') that gets left out?

roger wang

 

Stop the BS Wang ... , posted on December 9, 2014 at 05:45:17
three_sox
 ... Say what you mean if you are capable or just run along.

There's a good Wang.

 

RE: Stop the BS Wang ... you already answered the question...., posted on December 9, 2014 at 06:48:31
wangmr
Audiophile

Posts: 2410
Location: Downtown
Joined: November 29, 2012
 SOCIAL RELATIONS IN YOUR B.S.-CALLING CASE).

That's what gets left out as extemist-hobbyists pursue their hobby (addicts and obsessive types too). Funny how you showed the answer all by yourself - never even realizing it: by calling someone's attitude as b.s.,you show a lack of social relations.

roger wang

 

RE: Are we nuts?, posted on December 9, 2014 at 09:23:14
noway
Audiophile

Posts: 425
Location: Canada
Joined: August 28, 2007
 For that kind of money I could get a NAD integrated and a different young lady escort every week for the next 20 years. Talk about nuts!

 

What jealousy has to do with my post is beyond me. nt, posted on December 9, 2014 at 09:55:05
Rick W
 nt

 

I will enlighten you, Dear Wang … , posted on December 9, 2014 at 13:29:40
three_sox
 ... You don't have a clue ol' son.

When I met the lady who became my wife she owned a high-end audio system of separate components. I owned a compact entry level system.

I agree it is funny seeing you blather about things you know nothing about.

Audio is one of my passions which my wife enjoys with me often. I have about 5 audio systems set-up throughout the house and my whole family enjoys listening to music. Sometimes collectively and sometimes separately. Dancing along to the tunes is often part of our musical enjoyment. When we entertain music is nearly always part of the occasion.

This coming Sunday one of my children has about 20 friends coming over to celebrate his birthday. I will be setting up a system by the swimming pool for them as requested. I will also go to the trouble of moving two 15 inch powered sub-woofers into the fray as my son and many of the guests love chest-thumping deep bass and asked me if I'd include the subs in the set-up.

A number of the chaps on this site share their audio pursuits and love of music with their partners, certainly not all but many. This reality won't stop your inane stereo-typing, your obtuse logic or general confusion of simple concepts.


You are jobless, single, and naïve. Your attitude is BS and I call it as such as a social reality.

Cheers.

 

RE: Long term loans, as I understand it, posted on December 9, 2014 at 16:32:33
suretyguy
Audiophile

Posts: 3022
Location: western Missouri
Joined: October 9, 2001
 If that's true, do you suppose there's a quid pro quo? How much objectivity could one maintain under those circumstances?

 

RE: Exactly., posted on December 9, 2014 at 17:43:29
bh46118
Audiophile

Posts: 217
Joined: December 15, 2010
 I just wanted my post at the bottom, it wasn't directed at anyone in particular.

 

RE: Are we nuts?, posted on December 9, 2014 at 21:05:23
stehno
Manufacturer

Posts: 739
Location: Oregon
Joined: November 8, 2001
 Every industry has it's share of nuts and fruits. But it does seem that this little cottage industry has more than its fair share.

When you consider that unlike an exotic sports car, spending more money in high-end audio is certainly no guarantee that your system's level of muiscality will increase.

Especially, when so many seem to have declared their ears as untrustworthy and unnecessary appendages and have opted instead to read measurements and turn them into the Holy Grail. Mind you, that's in an industry where auditory skills should mean everything.

I still can't get over that one. But I'm trying.

 

RE: Keep up the good work ... , posted on December 9, 2014 at 23:28:16
wangmr
Audiophile

Posts: 2410
Location: Downtown
Joined: November 29, 2012
 keep up your shitty bullshit-calling which takes the place of social intercourse.

roger wang

 

Good heavens ... , posted on December 9, 2014 at 23:35:17
three_sox
 ... Go away and stop being such a pest.

 

RE: Unquestionably questionable [n.t.a.], posted on December 10, 2014 at 04:25:52
wangmr
Audiophile

Posts: 2410
Location: Downtown
Joined: November 29, 2012
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You know how it is......., posted on December 10, 2014 at 04:52:41
wangmr
Audiophile

Posts: 2410
Location: Downtown
Joined: November 29, 2012
 you get the last word care of Management.

i couldn't get a reply to your wrong assessment of audio/hobbies and asocial behavior in last thread.

you can call others names and low-class labels, and it all remains to be seen as management allows.

you know how it is.

roger wang.

'The Rog'
(he don't dodge)

 

A newsflash?, posted on December 10, 2014 at 05:25:18
Brian Walsh
Distributor or Rep

Posts: 10768
Location: IL
Joined: December 6, 1999
 Every editor will deny it, but it happens all the time. I heard a story from a supplier about several people from one of the the major audiophile magazines showing up in his room at a show, and one of the top people dropped some not so subtle hints to him that if he took out a series of ads he'd see to it that the products were favorably reviewed. It wasn't going to happen, in large part on principle, and surprise, surprise, the products a reviewer had at the time he was prepared to rave about were covered only in passing in a single paragraph in his column. Actually I have some respect for the reviewer, who presumably did what he was told by management. By the same token he was guilty by association.
Brian Walsh

 

RE: LOL / missed the point..., posted on December 10, 2014 at 05:56:42
wangmr
Audiophile

Posts: 2410
Location: Downtown
Joined: November 29, 2012
 i was talking motivation for buying and assumptions in buying NOT the reality upon getting.

roger wang

 

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