RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 14, 2014 at 21:09:12
IEaudiodude Audiophile Posts: 2814 Location: So Cal Joined: February 11, 2010	Nope never.

No..., posted on September 14, 2014 at 21:32:53
musetap Audiophile Posts: 31879 Location: San Francisco Joined: July 8, 2003 Contributor Since: January 28, 2004	Have heard it about such threads though. "Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure

RE: No..., posted on September 14, 2014 at 21:49:30
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	no need to comment. roger wang

All The Time, posted on September 14, 2014 at 21:57:23

Luminator
Audiophile

Posts: 7339
Location: Bay Area
Joined: December 11, 2000

My readers have heard me myself say, "I wasted my time, money, and hearing" on this hobby.

One by one, my old (some as far back as the mid-90s) audio friends have (a) disowned our Stereotypical Audiophile dogma and canards; (b) gotten rid of the SA crap; and (c) acquired products which are good-looking, honest-sounding, noise-free, and cool-running. They then drop out, and spend their time on enjoying life, including music.

On one hand, I'm bummed that these old friends are no longer here on AA. OTOH, I am satisfied that, at long last, they cured themselves of this monumental waste of time, and are taking in life's pleasures.

Another common thread is the complaints about the audiophiles' lack of civility, manners, intelligence, maturity, and class. All of the name-calling, trolling, put-downs, shaming, character assassinations, flaming, and illiteracy just get old. This is why we as a community aren't able to attract new recruits, retain good people, grow the hobby, and ultimately share and enjoy the music.

The Audiophiles' DJ,
-Lummy The Loch Monster

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 14, 2014 at 23:34:29

Todd Krieger
Audiophile

Posts: 37333
Location: SW United States
Joined: November 2, 2000

"not productive of your time?"

From both family and fellow workers.... Especially from those born after 1980........

I'm just wired to enjoy and appreciate the nuances of great music.... The audio is the means to an end. Those not ensconced in the finer elements of music can see audio as a waste of time... And I understand that perspective.... But to me, it's like air and water. I can't live without it.

RE: All The Time / beautiful answer [n.t.a.], posted on September 15, 2014 at 01:20:20
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	.

RE: this criticism, posted on September 15, 2014 at 03:17:01
genungo	The smug jerks who would criticize in this way bore me. The best things in life don't require justification. If a thing can be justified, I probably don't want it.

Certainly, posted on September 15, 2014 at 04:07:12
kerr Audiophile Posts: 4376 Location: Central Indiana Joined: November 10, 2003	I've heard similar comments about listening to and playing music, reading, watching sports, gardening, painting... basically any hobby. There are those that consider any activity that doesn't earn money (or that spends it!) as nonproductive. Those people are usually boring and lack self-esteem, IMHO.

Why do you ask? , posted on September 15, 2014 at 04:51:23
three_sox	`

My time in this hobby has produced a lot, posted on September 15, 2014 at 04:58:33

jsm71
Audiophile

Posts: 1123
Location: Cincinnati OH
Joined: June 16, 2011

My time spent in this hobby has produced incredible joy, the ability to play music at a high degree of quality, learning, companionship with other like-minded hobbiests, and has provided an activity and interest I can use to the day I die.

My 92 year old mother in law never generated a single interest in her life, nor has she kept up with anything. She now sadly does nothing all day long, except eats meals and sits on the couch. I will always have this hobby to keep me busy even if old age slows me to a crawl someday.

That's like saying that sex, posted on September 15, 2014 at 05:08:41
mwhitmore Audiophile Posts: 1720 Location: San Francisco Joined: September 17, 2008	is not productive unless it is reproductive. Have they never heard of pleasure for its own sake?

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 15, 2014 at 05:32:13
shutterbob Audiophile Posts: 643 Location: Central Missouri Joined: August 23, 2008	Far from it.

No, but, posted on September 15, 2014 at 06:02:56
Brian Walsh Distributor or Rep Posts: 10768 Location: IL Joined: December 6, 1999	I suppose it could be said of many pastimes. But something which enriches our lives cannot necessarily be measured in terms of productivity. As musetap pointed out, such threads are not productive, so if that was your goal you've accomplished it. A self fulfilling prophesy, perhaps. Brian Walsh

Not from anyone outside AA (nt), posted on September 15, 2014 at 06:04:42
Dave Pogue Audiophile Posts: 11689 Location: DC Area Joined: October 9, 2001	nt

Kind of like fishing....., posted on September 15, 2014 at 06:35:00
Lee M	We used to joke about going to Canada fishing every year. By the time you were done, you had spent 600-700 dollars and you could bring home two fish. Walleye worked out to about 85.00/lb. I guess we went for other reasons.

Like guitars and guitar amps...., posted on September 15, 2014 at 07:05:40

FenderLover

Like any hobby you pursue with enthusiasm --- you are subject to criticism from those that do not share the same interest. It’s okay, as long as the hobby does not become an obsession, which distracts you from responsibilities. Like spending time with the family.

Or drives you to spend more than you should.

In the guitar world, only a finite number of ways you can play the intro to “Stairway to Heaven” --- on various guitars & amps, before the rest of the household becomes agitated.

And declares a mutiny.

I assume the same goes for listening to the same eclectic album over-and-over. Through various playback equipment.

8^)

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 15, 2014 at 07:06:00
rick_m Audiophile Posts: 6230 Location: Oregon Joined: August 11, 2005	No, I've never heard it. Now that I've pondered it, I think it is without merit, at least WRT other more mainstream hobbies, in particular watching football... But who cares? That's the beauty of hobbies, we do them out of love, not out of necessity and so the time spent doing or even talking about them (as we are now) is golden! Rick

Where is it written, posted on September 15, 2014 at 07:43:25
Mike K Audiophile Posts: 13976 Location: 97701 Joined: September 23, 1999	that we must make "productive" use of our time? And who is it that has been annointed, and by whom, to define what is productive? My father used to say, jokingly, that there are 2 types of people: the righteous and the un-righteous, and the righteous do the judging. Lack of skill dictates economy of style. - Joey Ramone

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 15, 2014 at 07:59:29
Picklesnapper Audiophile Posts: 492 Location: East Coast U.S. Joined: January 16, 2010	I don't remember who said it but favorite quote of mine is, "All life is useless.". Taking a walk is a waste of time, as is reading a novel, growing flowers, etc. What a great way to spend one's free hours.

"THe Worst Day Fishing is better than the Best Day Working", posted on September 15, 2014 at 08:06:08
oldmkvi Audiophile Posts: 10583 Joined: April 12, 2002	/

Yes but, posted on September 15, 2014 at 08:12:44

Tre'
Industry Professional

Posts: 17305
Location: So. Cal.
Joined: February 9, 2002

without the hobby there would be no listening to music other than live music.

Think about it.

Without the Banū Mūsā brothers mechanical musical instruments of the 9th century or the phonautograph, patented in 1857 by Parisian inventor Édouard-Léon Scott de Martinville or the mechanical phonograph cylinder, invented by Thomas Edison in 1877 and patented in 1878 the only way we would enjoy music in our homes would be to hire musicians.

Weren't these guys hobbyist?

Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"

Ask a guy who finely crafts a Bonzai tree, posted on September 15, 2014 at 08:21:44

Presto
Audiophile

Posts: 5957
Location: Canada
Joined: November 10, 2004

...if the masterfully trimmed little tree is "worth" the time.
What's it worth in dollars? What's it worth in mastery? Discipline? Relaxation? Clearing ones mind from the BS "California lifestyle" - running your @$$ off every day chasing that packed calendar full of.... stuff?

If something you like doing gets you putting a lot of time into it, then it's worth the time.

I refinish speaker cabinets that could be thrown away and re-built in less time (and probably money) than it would take to build them from scratch. I hate throwing away past work into a landfill or selling it to someone else who would put it in a landfill. I like to modify and re-use cabinets I build. Everyone thinks I am crazy.

When I am doing cabinet work the last thing on my mind is what everyone else thinks..

YMMV

Cheers,
Presto

Better than throwing money at drugs, booze and naked women in bars nt, posted on September 15, 2014 at 09:06:51
Goober58

Could one not also make the claim about reading books? (nt) , posted on September 15, 2014 at 09:17:18
slapshot Audiophile Posts: 2248 Joined: January 9, 2006

No, posted on September 15, 2014 at 09:53:30
M3 lover Audiophile Posts: 6604 Location: SW Mich Joined: May 29, 2005 Contributor Since: July 4, 2007	And if you believe it, what are you doing on AA? Sorry Roger but this seems like a pretty silly question to ask of those in the audio hobby. "The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing, if you can fake that you've got it made." Groucho

In what way? ;-) -nt, posted on September 15, 2014 at 10:17:58
Raiderman Audiophile Posts: 2129 Location: Silicon Valley, California Joined: March 14, 2003

In every way :-} , posted on September 15, 2014 at 10:22:41
Goober58

Hear inside your head?, posted on September 15, 2014 at 12:27:42
soulfood Audiophile Posts: 3725 Joined: August 9, 2001	Apparently, enjoyment is not productive for you.

"not productive of your time?", posted on September 15, 2014 at 13:09:41
volunteer Audiophile Posts: 5666 Location: Louisville, KY Joined: January 7, 2012	My enjoyment is productive and beneficial to my frame of mind. -Wendell

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 15, 2014 at 13:11:03
fantja Audiophile Posts: 15524 Location: Alabama Joined: September 11, 2010	Sure Roger, it is a reference as to how someone spends his time on a hobby/interest.

Making myself happy is very productive. (nm), posted on September 15, 2014 at 13:37:03
reelsmith. Audiophile Posts: 13134 Location: CT Joined: June 7, 2005 Contributor Since: January 19, 2010	. reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.

RE: Better than throwing money at drugs, booze and naked women, posted on September 15, 2014 at 14:25:54

marlin
Audiophile

Posts: 154
Location: Sandy, Oregon
Joined: November 20, 2012

I will agree to two of three of these.

Seriously, I feel for those who don't enjoy this hobby or any other.
I have spent countless joyful hours in the last four+ decades listening to great music. I certainly don't see it as wasting my time.
Without music what is there?

Funny, I've know a couple ultra productive people, posted on September 15, 2014 at 15:10:49
JeffH Audiophile Posts: 4574 Location: Orange County, So Cal Joined: April 5, 2000	who's children don't know them and might not even care for them :) For most, balance is key.

Great answer Lummy hit the nail on the head, posted on September 15, 2014 at 15:47:16
Des Audiophile Posts: 2110 Location: Great Barrier Reef Joined: August 3, 2000 Contributor Since: August 2, 2000	Aha! the Seahorse HAS grown I see! Good one Des

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 15, 2014 at 18:30:34
hahax@verizon.net Audiophile Posts: 4310 Location: New Jersey Joined: March 22, 2006	Well there goes everything in life that's not productive. I guess we can still eat and make money. Are we allowed to sleep? What a line of BS.

Hey! Hey! I found my beloved Bambi, in a bar. 8^) (n/t), posted on September 15, 2014 at 18:53:34
FenderLover	mt

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 15, 2014 at 19:09:17

michaelhigh
Audiophile

Posts: 839
Location: midwest
Joined: August 18, 2010

Not a productive use of time?

I DARE you to fly to my home town, observe me in the recording studio, THEN watch me bring home recordings that represent my body of work, which spans the decades from the 70's to the present.

My Soundcloud page has 35 songs on it. I cover some of my favorites, but the majority of my work is original.

I agree, most audiophiles sit on their asses, but I work hard to get that luxury, especially when measuring my relative success in recording studios.

That's what she said, but not in reference to audio., posted on September 15, 2014 at 22:09:06
free.ranger Audiophile Posts: 16951 Location: Santa Fe, NM Joined: April 8, 2004 Contributor Since: January 7, 2005	Unless you consider the decibel level in which she said it.

May I suggest ... , posted on September 15, 2014 at 23:22:16
three_sox	... A bag and a gag. Carry on.

RE: Hear inside your head? / reading skills, reading skills..., posted on September 15, 2014 at 23:30:16
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	the question is not one asked by me. roger wang

RE: Why do you ask? / wondering if others have asked [n.t.a.], posted on September 15, 2014 at 23:31:24
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	.

RE: Not from anyone outside AA (nt), posted on September 15, 2014 at 23:33:08
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	odd. it would see fellow audiophiles (in A.A.) would be not asking. maybe i misunderstood. roger wang

RE: No, but, posted on September 15, 2014 at 23:35:06
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	you can measure for yourself how productive the answers are so far - i'd say people have much to say meaning mentally productive. best to quote other posters than the one you did quote. roger wang

RE: Yes but / not my criticism; asked about others' criticism [n.t.a.], posted on September 15, 2014 at 23:36:12
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	.

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 15, 2014 at 23:38:20
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	look at some of the answers so far: it's not an unusual criticism - not saying at all that i agree with this criticism. roger wang

RE: My time in this hobby has produced a lot, posted on September 15, 2014 at 23:40:12
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	yes, but no interests in life does not have to mean no interest in life -sadly the two go together, it seems, for your mother-in-law. thanks for interest. roger wang

RE: No, posted on September 15, 2014 at 23:44:14
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	as i've had to point out, it's not my criticism and i don't agree with it, but wonder if others have had to deal with it and at what level it becomes an issue. roger wang

RE: yes [n.t.a.], posted on September 15, 2014 at 23:44:59
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	.

RE: wholly agree [n.t.a.], posted on September 15, 2014 at 23:47:11
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	.

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 15, 2014 at 23:48:53
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	not my criticism in the least; just wondering if others in your life have made this criticism. thanks for interest. i'm happy to check out your work. roger wang

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 16, 2014 at 03:20:08

middleground

Your question is very short and, as can be seen by many of the answers posted, not very sharp.

I have opined on sites such as these for decades that audio is not an imaginative or creative hobby unless you design or build, or both obviously, equipment.

Choosing and paying for equipment and setting up in your room falls pretty short of a creative endeavour in my opinion.

Audiophiles are to creative hobbies what masturbators are to procreation.

RE: "best to quote other posters than the one you did quote", posted on September 16, 2014 at 04:36:34
Brian Walsh Distributor or Rep Posts: 10768 Location: IL Joined: December 6, 1999	musetap's post was relevant, so I mentioned it! It's called freedom of speech. Brian Walsh

You didn't misunderstand., posted on September 16, 2014 at 04:41:12
Dave Pogue Audiophile Posts: 11689 Location: DC Area Joined: October 9, 2001	See Middleground's post as Exhibit A. Most anti-audiophiles see what the majority here are doing and saying here and go elsewhere after their rants are ignored. Looks like we'll always have Middleground, though. Lucky us.

Who Cares?, posted on September 16, 2014 at 04:59:19
hawkmoon Audiophile Posts: 903 Location: cleveland Joined: July 11, 2003	I'm having fun. To each their own.

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 16, 2014 at 06:20:24

Old SteveA
Audiophile

Posts: 648
Joined: March 27, 2011

Actually it really is'nt a criticism of "the audio hobby" but a personal
criticism of how someone feels "you" should be spending "your" time.

It really is'nt about what was said,but what was'nt said. This is if this was relayed to you "personally". This sounds like a "communication problem" that you should fix.

If this was'nt something you were involved with,it is nothing more than someone with an "Axe to grind" or a "troll". Why would anyone concern themself with that when they could happily "waste" their time on their "Audio Hobby"

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 16, 2014 at 06:45:51
AudioSoul Audiophile Posts: 4594 Location: north central AZ Joined: July 9, 2005	It is productive for me. That's when I rest and rejuvenate my mind and spirit.....

RE: No, posted on September 16, 2014 at 07:22:50

shutterbob
Audiophile

Posts: 643
Location: Central Missouri
Joined: August 23, 2008

"...............it's not my criticism and i don't agree with it"

Soooo, why bother to bring it up? If it has no validity to you, why do you care if it does for others? Is Sudz slipping you the thread topics? The two of you tend to go in a similar direction, after all.

Eggs ackly. Taking up slack while Sudzy is away...nt, posted on September 16, 2014 at 07:28:35
geoffkait	Nt

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 16, 2014 at 07:45:08

-æ-
Bored Member

Posts: 788
Joined: May 9, 2013
Contributor
Since: March 1, 1999

>>I have opined on sites such as these for decades that audio is not an imaginative or creative hobby unless you design or build, or both obviously, equipment.

Perhaps you could tell us about your builds / designs?

>>Choosing and paying for equipment and setting up in your room falls pretty short of a creative endeavour in my opinion.

>>Audiophiles are to creative hobbies what masturbators are to procreation.

And yet, here you are, 14 years and 23,000 posts later.

If you aren't quite noticing or accepting what is really going on in the present,
but are responding based on your thoughts or feelings about what ought to be,
then you are apt to collide with what is really going on.

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 16, 2014 at 08:04:41
Ozzy Audiophile Posts: 7594 Joined: September 21, 1999	But you forget, he is so much farther advanced than the rest of us. He is just slumming here, so don't call him an audiophile. That is so beneath him...... Oz Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you. - Winston Churchill

and I gave my answer to those criticisms. What do you think?, posted on September 16, 2014 at 08:13:05
Tre' Industry Professional Posts: 17305 Location: So. Cal. Joined: February 9, 2002	. Have Fun and Enjoy the Music "Still Working the Problem"

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 16, 2014 at 09:47:00
middleground	I never said I built anything have I? I simply have respect and admiration for those amateurs who do. Moreover, I have never really considered myself an audiophile, well at least not since rational thought about record players has given way to mysteries solved by magic. Have yourself an aesthetically pleasing day.

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 16, 2014 at 09:51:02
middleground	Oh please, I am so sorry I hurt your feelers by not sharing your beliefs.

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 16, 2014 at 10:19:49
Markw* Audiophile Posts: 10370 Joined: June 1, 2001	The same could be said about opening your posts.

RE: Eggs ackly. Taking up slack while Sudzy is away...nt, posted on September 16, 2014 at 10:21:36
Old SteveA Audiophile Posts: 648 Joined: March 27, 2011	You guys don't actually don't actually attempt to engage"Soapy" (given his normal level of comments; It's probably more appropriate to address him as this) in discussion do you ? Now for that you could easily find a more productive way to spend your time. It would be great if we could find a way to make him a permanent resident of the "Big Brother" House .

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 16, 2014 at 10:31:19
sudz1234@yahoo.com Audiophile Posts: 2956 Joined: February 20, 2011	I think a lot of you miss the point. I think he is saying that audio is not productive behavior because it is anti social. You are not reacting with human beings. I think that was his point.

Hmmmm...you don't say?, posted on September 16, 2014 at 11:13:20
geoffkait	...

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 16, 2014 at 11:27:51
Ozzy Audiophile Posts: 7594 Joined: September 21, 1999	My "feelers" are just fine. I do, however, agree that we don't share the same beliefs. And that includes more than things audio. Oz Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you. - Winston Churchill

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 16, 2014 at 11:35:02

-æ-
Bored Member

Posts: 788
Joined: May 9, 2013
Contributor
Since: March 1, 1999

>>I think he is saying that audio is not productive behavior because it is anti social

Don't think so. From the way I read it, he's suggesting that he is aware
that someone made the criticism that the hobby is not productive, and
is now asking the forum if others have heard the same from another
source.

If you aren't quite noticing or accepting what is really going on in the present,
but are responding based on your thoughts or feelings about what ought to be,
then you are apt to collide with what is really going on.

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 16, 2014 at 11:48:50

shutterbob
Audiophile

Posts: 643
Location: Central Missouri
Joined: August 23, 2008

Solitary is not the same thing as antisocial.

When I think of antisocial I think of arrogant off-putting behavior that results in collective scorn from others in the same field of interest. Know anyone like that, Sudz? I can think of two in this asylum, both of whom tend to feel a need to "explain" what the other means.

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 16, 2014 at 12:18:31

-æ-
Bored Member

Posts: 788
Joined: May 9, 2013
Contributor
Since: March 1, 1999

>>I have never really considered myself an audiophile, well at least not since rational thought about record players has given way to mysteries solved by magic.

Yet, here you are, 14 years and 23,000+ posts later.

If you aren't quite noticing or accepting what is really going on in the present,
but are responding based on your thoughts or feelings about what ought to be,
then you are apt to collide with what is really going on.

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 16, 2014 at 12:48:44
Old SteveA Audiophile Posts: 648 Joined: March 27, 2011	So you were tipped you off to the Sociological statement posed as a question, how ??? Pretty vague way to infer something, would'nt you think ??? More likely just a case of personal confusion ! The real question though is who might I be talking about ?

*Isn't that essentially the definition of 'hobby'?, posted on September 16, 2014 at 13:38:12**
b.l.zeebub Audiophile Posts: 9361 Location: 52deg 28'N,1deg56'W Joined: April 17, 2006	*

Necessarily, posted on September 16, 2014 at 14:31:09
briggs Audiophile Posts: 1674 Location: Connecticut Joined: April 16, 2002	If it is intended to be productive it is not a hobby. That does not mean that it cannot be productive -- only that that is not the purpose.

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 16, 2014 at 15:13:27
middleground	Was it? Lots of truth in that also if I dare say. Does chatting with birds of a feather on internet boards count as social interaction? I dare to say no.

i can't see how listening to music, posted on September 16, 2014 at 17:42:18
hifitommy Audiophile Posts: 15388 Location: canyon country califiornia, orig from buffalo ny Joined: June 9, 2000	is any less fulfilling than reading. ...regards...tr

RE: A clarification, posted on September 16, 2014 at 20:42:45
navman Audiophile Posts: 1264 Location: U.S.A. Joined: January 26, 2009	Antisocial = sociopath Asocial = anxious individual who stays away from other people. navman

RE: A clarification / well....., posted on September 16, 2014 at 21:05:29
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	first sudz misses the point but it is interesting and provocative. anti-social in the extreme is psychopathic asocial - why 'anxious'? roger wang

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 16, 2014 at 21:09:04
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	true; amazing how many have projected into the matter. yet, sudz is bringing another dimension on how sociable the hobby is; i experienced that matter on the vinyl asylum when i posted an innocent quiz-like question. roger wang

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 16, 2014 at 21:11:11
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	so don't, Unproductive Poster (and sudz speaks well and correctly of anti-social reactions in the hobby .... though not my intention in posting nor the content of the posting). roger wang

RE: Agreed [n.t.a.], posted on September 16, 2014 at 21:11:55
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	.

RE: No, posted on September 16, 2014 at 21:19:13
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	i'm forced to conclude you are not truly capable of abstract thought (beyond the most minimal levels). Really sorry (for you). All of life seems to be a case of what affects you/one personally, otherwise the matter/topic does not exist and does not merit discussion. then you have to fall back on your little obsession: poster sudz. roger wang

RE: my purpose wasn't to give my own opinion..., posted on September 16, 2014 at 21:21:30
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	but i can't stand the idea of productivity in the arts (on the receiving end, i mean). thanks for interest. roger wang

i see: you're talking about the exceptions [n.t.a.], posted on September 16, 2014 at 21:23:07
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	.

RE: musetap's post was relevant..., posted on September 16, 2014 at 21:24:55
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	because you made it so. it has nothing to do with my original posting. try re-reading. roger wang

RE: No, posted on September 16, 2014 at 21:26:54
sudz1234@yahoo.com Audiophile Posts: 2956 Joined: February 20, 2011	Mr. Wang, thanks for reconizing that i think outside the box. It's nice to know someone on here understands me.

Wrong, posted on September 16, 2014 at 21:39:45
Brian Walsh Distributor or Rep Posts: 10768 Location: IL Joined: December 6, 1999	We don't all see things the same way as you do. Please respect that. We're free to express our opinions, as I did and as musetap did. Don't read them if you don't like them, and please don't try to dictate what's relevant. And hey man, relax, it's just audio, not a matter of life and death. Brian Walsh

RE: No, posted on September 16, 2014 at 22:30:15
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	poor shutterbug can't get over you. he also can't see topics that are posted outside of one's own personal needs. roger wang

RE: Wrong: wrong., posted on September 16, 2014 at 22:32:31
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	you use 'wrong' and say all are free to express their (wrong) ideas. Wrong. Don't call someone wrong and sing and dance the free expression of any ideas song. That's hypocritical (and thus wrong). roger wong

RE: Have you ever heard this criticism of the audio hobby...., posted on September 16, 2014 at 23:55:52
Bill the K Audiophile Posts: 8385 Joined: June 3, 2006	A hobby produces enough Oxytoxin to produce happiness. Perhaps Dopamine too. This makes an audiophile receptive towards social interactions. An audiophile may spend a long time on his/her hobby but that will never make them antisocial. Some may call it Avoidance Syndrome but the benefits towards relaxed interaction with nature are paramount. Cheers Bill

RE:thank you for the observation [n.t.a.], posted on September 17, 2014 at 01:18:00
wangmr Audiophile Posts: 2410 Location: Downtown Joined: November 29, 2012	.

RE: A clarification, posted on September 17, 2014 at 02:21:40

genungo

Sociopaths are predators. Often, they recognize that skillful and frequent interactions with other people are essential to their advancement in society. They can seem very friendly and outgoing. Only problem is, it's all about them and never about you.

Hmmm...

Whatever, posted on September 17, 2014 at 04:26:31
Brian Walsh Distributor or Rep Posts: 10768 Location: IL Joined: December 6, 1999	Sorry my karma ran over your dogma. Talk to the hand, Mr. Wrong. Brian Walsh

{{{This makes an audiophile receptive towards social interactions.}}} , posted on September 17, 2014 at 04:49:36
three_sox	... It is certainly one of the reasons my wife insisted on a thick & silky soft Persian rug in front of the speakers.

RE: A clarification / well....., posted on September 17, 2014 at 06:16:15
genungo	Anxious = shy.

RE: No, posted on September 17, 2014 at 07:03:58

shutterbob
Audiophile

Posts: 643
Location: Central Missouri
Joined: August 23, 2008

No one forces you to conclude anything, wangr. To assume so is to cede control of your thought process to others and deny responsibility for your own conclusions.

OTOH, many of us may CHOOSE to conclude that when posters of a feather flock together, there's probably going to be bird shit everywhere.

How's that for abstract thinking?

RE: No, posted on September 17, 2014 at 08:41:04
sudz1234@yahoo.com Audiophile Posts: 2956 Joined: February 20, 2011	Don't be a hater!

RE: No, posted on September 17, 2014 at 08:51:17
shutterbob Audiophile Posts: 643 Location: Central Missouri Joined: August 23, 2008	That's hysterical, Sudz! I seem to recall a rash (an apropos term if there ever was) of insults you flung at Liz and others, childish attempts at getting attention. Are you now a convert to being nice? Leopard, spots, yadda, yadda

RE: {{{This makes an audiophile receptive towards social interactions.}}} , posted on September 17, 2014 at 20:48:25
Bill the K Audiophile Posts: 8385 Joined: June 3, 2006	Right on, Soxie. Good times ahead! Cheers Bill

I think you meant Oxytocin, that Oxytoxin. . . , posted on September 17, 2014 at 21:26:47
risabet Audiophile Posts: 3197 Location: SoCal Joined: January 10, 2005	is definitely a killer! Science is the great antidote to the poison of enthusiasm and superstition. Adam Smith

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