Good luck To Bose

Next it will be, posted on July 26, 2014 at 08:12:32
jedrider Audiophile Posts: 15167 Location: No. California Joined: December 26, 2003	Bose sues Beats over patent for Coolness Factor. Yep, I think Beats beat Bose over that one.

Patents ...., posted on July 26, 2014 at 08:29:27

Bromo33333
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Bose did a lot of fundamental research into noise cancellation in the 1980's when I was an undergraduate. I did a couple of projects in a lab that was largely funded by Bose, too.

When it comes to active noise cancelling, Bose really did do the work, and secured the patents. They also make some of the best noise cancellers on the market, too. They might not be to audiophile levels of sound quality, they sure do work well for what they are designed to do.

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Last company Beats spent time fighting was Monster(R)..., posted on July 26, 2014 at 08:48:43
Ivan303 Audiophile Posts: 48887 Location: Cadiere d'azur FRANCE - Santa Fe, NM Joined: February 26, 2001	Another company I'm sure love. ;-) First they came for the dumb-asses And I did not speak out Because I was not a dumb-ass

RE: Last company Beats spent time fighting was Monster(R)..., posted on July 26, 2014 at 09:31:12
Monster Inmate® Audiophile Posts: 40 Location: USA Joined: October 20, 2004	Monster Cable, bleh. Evil corporate scum!

RE: Last company Beats spent time fighting was Monster(R)..., posted on July 26, 2014 at 09:47:15

middleground

There seems to be a word missing in your post.

BTW I knew that Monster's name would be brought up.

Do you seriously think Mr. Lee reaches Dr. Amar Bose's ankle technologically speaking?

If audio is in its essence subjective, why is it the millions of satisfied Bose customers' subjective appraisal of their speakers does not count?

At any rate, the parties will argue it out before the authorities and que sera sera... but the Bose haters on sites such as these will go on hating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amar_Bose

RE: Patents ...., posted on July 26, 2014 at 09:49:23
middleground	Yup, quite right, but the Bose haters will continue blindly.

RE: Good luck To Bose, posted on July 26, 2014 at 11:33:06

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"Let's hope Bose wins as it is a pioneering company with many achievements."

Ahhh so, what does that have to do with the case? All that's at issue is the scope, priority and obviousness of whatever their claims are and how "blatant" is the putative infringement.

My hope is that a clear, just decision can be made. Occasionally that happens. Lacking any knowledge I have no opinion regarding the merits of the filing but since both parties have virtually infinite money I'm sure that none shall be spared when enriching their lawyers.

Unless you happen to be familiar with the details of the case and the prior art and have read all the patents and their wrappers then you have no basis to form a reasoned opinion and instead have just substituted your own prejudices. Nothing wrong with that, it's traditional!

I vaguely think that Bose may have been the first outfit to offer noise canceling headphones aimed at consumers listening to music in commercial airplanes. I don't know. But whether they were or not really doesn't matter very much since the devil is in the details. If the case is sufficiently strong and yet fuzzy they may manage to squeeze significant licensing fees from Apple as that might wind up being cheaper than defending the case. I doubt that this is a big moral issue, it's probably all about bucks.

So, does that make me Bose hater? I really wasn't aware that we were so riddled with them but it could be. Over the years I've heard a number of Bose systems of various ilks and haven't cared for any of them. Well with the exception of a little bookshelf unit they once had. On the other hand a friend gave me one of their tiny Bluetooth, battery-powered speakers and I think it is quite pleasing for background music. It's weird, it doesn't reproduce the recording so much as it uses the input as a suggestion of what sounds to make with it's DSP and various resonators. The amazing thing is a lot of the time is sounds more "alive" and like there are real musicians in the room than does a more "accurate" system in the normal sense. A strange little product, but fun...

Rick

RE: Last company Beats spent time fighting was Monster(R)..., posted on July 26, 2014 at 12:29:29
mkuller Audiophile Posts: 38130 Location: SF Bay Area Joined: April 22, 2003	...both have many achievements. Monster popularized the "audiophile cable" market. Bose is very popular in the senior community with their tremendous marketing and advertising budget. In common neither have very good products for the money.

On the plus side..., posted on July 26, 2014 at 12:37:09

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As the Apple/Beats deal is yet to close, it remains possible that Apple may decide to reduce its offer by some amount based on its estimate of the cost to defend, win, lose or settle, which could end up being a substantial number.

And Dr. Dre might not end up being the first Billionaire Hip Hop Artist after all. :-(

First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

RE: "very popular in the senior community"...., posted on July 26, 2014 at 12:42:24
Ivan303 Audiophile Posts: 48887 Location: Cadiere d'azur FRANCE - Santa Fe, NM Joined: February 26, 2001	STOP THAT RIGHT NOW! First they came for the dumb-asses And I did not speak out Because I was not a dumb-ass

Phase Cancellation, posted on July 26, 2014 at 13:01:38
Awe-d-o-file Dealer Posts: 21037 Location: 50 miles west of DC Joined: January 10, 2004	Hearing aids use this too and Bose didn't invent phase cancellation. I hope they both lose lots of money. Neither are good valued products like most things with a huge marketing budget. ET ET "If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936

RE: Good luck To Bose, posted on July 26, 2014 at 15:46:00
middleground	I never said my opinion on this was reasoned, I am just tired of "audiophiles" using Bose as the embodiement of eeeeeevil in audio so wish them well.

RE: Good luck To Bose, posted on July 26, 2014 at 18:07:07

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A lot depends on what is actually patented. For example the original Dahlquist speaker had a patent. I assumed it had something to do with the phased array, either the small baffles for early diffraction or the set backs for phase alignment. Makes sense doesn't it?

Well it wasn't. A friend showed me the patent. It was for the metal angles that held the individual baffles onto the main bass module. And to top it off some of these angles rang at about 115 Hz as shown in the measurements in the Hi Fi News review.

So 1st you need to know what the patents in question are.

RE: Good luck To Bose, posted on July 26, 2014 at 20:51:16

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I'm relentlessly trying to get my family members who seek a table radio/cd unit type thing to look at other alternatives like Cambridge Soundworks and another one that now escapes me - rather than be suckered into a payment plan for a Bose Wave unit that is morbidly overpriced due to their ridiculous advertising budget designed to reel in people readily duped by that kind of stuff.

(How's that for a run-on sentence?)

I love Beats and Bose, posted on July 27, 2014 at 02:07:26
M-dB Audiophile Posts: 295 Location: Nor Cal Joined: June 26, 2014	or as my uncle Bill would always remark in situations like this, "Never wise up a chump." I mean really, what comes to mind when you see some schmuck hipster wearing those fashionable colored headphones. MOOo… Did those nebs at MIT wait for the Apple purchase before filing?

RE: Good luck To Bose, posted on July 27, 2014 at 07:50:25

middleground

You know one of the strangest things is that whenever I just as much as harrumph when someone extolls the virtue of the First Commandment of subjective high-end audio: "More money equals better sound ad infinitum", there is a general outcry that I am incapable of understanding that people with money know what they are doing when buying 40k preamps or 120k speakers and that they are simply enjoying their freedom and the rewards of the great free market economy.

So why is it then that Bose is singled out for its marketing of "easy payments" and the "exorbitant" price of what amounts to a table radio when you have magical speaker makers overbuilding boxes over and above the level of brick shithouses and asking over 100k and they get a pass with the usual "who are YOU to decide how a person spends his money" and the "you simply don't understand that the law of diminishing returns will never make a real moneyed audiophile blink" whereas the average person that buys Bose and is subjectively satisfied with it is required to be protected against exploitation?

Deux poids deux mesures.

I love Beating up on Bose, posted on July 27, 2014 at 08:07:12
genungo	If only I could insert one of those big red hearts in place of the word "love" in the above sentence. It would make such a cool bumper sticker.

Will case be heard in APPLE's own courtroom?, posted on July 27, 2014 at 08:16:52
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com Audiophile Posts: 3040 Location: Atlanta Joined: December 15, 2003	As much as they sue others I figured they had their own. Give their lawyers something to do between suits.

Nah, this guy's got ya beat, hands down!, posted on July 27, 2014 at 08:52:17

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>> So why is it then that Bose is singled out for its marketing of "easy payments" and the "exorbitant" price of what amounts to a table radio when you have magical speaker makers overbuilding boxes over and above the level of brick shithouses and asking over 100k and they get a pass with the usual "who are YOU to decide how a person spends his money" and the "you simply don't understand that the law of diminishing returns will never make a real moneyed audiophile blink" whereas the average person that buys Bose and is subjectively satisfied with it is required to be protected against exploitation? <<

I am in awe, as should you be...

-RW-

RE: Nah, this guy's got ya beat, hands down!, posted on July 27, 2014 at 09:59:45

middleground

"The mere fact that a sentence is long does not make it a run-on sentence; sentences are run-ons only when they contain more than one independent clause. A run-on sentence can be as short as four words—for instance: I drive she walks. In this case there are two independent clauses: two subjects paired with two intransitive verbs. So as long as clauses are punctuated appropriately, a writer can assemble multiple independent clauses in a single sentence; in fact, a properly constructed sentence can be extended indefinitely." From Wikipedia.

I think I forgot one comma. Here it is: ",". Use it well.

How is your French grammar BTW?

Yeah, APPLE is the only one with their "own courtroom", posted on July 27, 2014 at 11:45:05

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They're ALL suing each other they ALL try to gain home field advantage.

Smaller companies will sometimes sue larger ones out of desperation.

Many companies that are on the brink of going belly up will sue larger corporations in a last ditch effort to bring in much needed cash. I'm not saying this about Bose specifically, but we see that all the time.

I recall Motorola suing a bunch of cellphone and cell technology firms for patent infringement as they struggled to stay afloat before they were bought out by Google.... Google bought Moto mainly for their patent portfolio so they can sue other companies that use the technology.

Google has recently sold Moto to Lenovo but Google keeps the patent portfolio.

It's ALL a big corporate game!

I Google searched on Bose and found this humorous, posted on July 27, 2014 at 11:53:28

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I wasn't sure if Bose was a private company or traded on an exchange. I searched Google for "Bose Stock Symbol" and the first sentence from the first 'hit' from my search says,

"Bose has been making noise in the audio products business since 1964......"

That pretty much sums it up. ;-)

Bose Corporation according to Google Finance

+1 Haha good one!! (n/t), posted on July 27, 2014 at 14:54:36
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the company Ive always made fun of!!, posted on July 28, 2014 at 22:51:34
panhead Audiophile Posts: 920 Location: chicago Joined: January 20, 2007	and always will

General Asylum

Good luck To Bose

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